Fw: my take
From: Gayle Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:06 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: my take Hi, I don’t write to this list that often, However, I feel I need to write now. I’ve been using Window Eyes pretty much from the beginning. I’ve heard that when companies merge the quality goes down. I hope this doesn’t happen. Also, I’ve heard that companies outsource, the quality and also in some cases the language barrior happens. I’m very happy that GW Micro hasn’t thought of such things. I also like the fact that I can call and have quality help from a very capable staff. Thanks much for that and keep up the good work. Gayle ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: My Take On things.
I bought the software and love the tech support. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:14 AM To: Pamela Dominguez; Evan Reese; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. Exactly. I bought my copy on the payment plan back in 2007. My concern with this murger is that we'll see a drop in quality and an increase in price for those who, like me, would prefer to purchase their software and have the free tech support that entails. -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:48 AM To: Evan Reese ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. That's the only way I got my very own copy of window eyes. Before then, I borrowed somebody else's. But when the installment plan came in, I made it legal and bought my own. The original computer was bought from a guy who used to sell high tech, and I got window bridge with it. So, I had to choose something else. And jaws was too expensive. Pam. -Original Message- From: Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:13 PM To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does not, and never has given people that option. Evan -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dsle xtreme.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40opton line.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com - No vi
my take
Hi, I don’t write to this list that often, However, I feel I need to write now. I’ve been using Window Eyes pretty much from the beginning. I’ve heard that when companies merge the quality goes down. I hope this doesn’t happen. Also, I’ve heard that companies outsource, the quality and also in some cases the language barrior happens. I’m very happy that GW Micro hasn’t thought of such things. I also like the fact that I can call and have quality help from a very capable staff. Thanks much for that and keep up the good work. Gayle ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: My Take On things.
One of the things that I've noticed with the new tech-support, is that I get responses to my emails that one in the morning my time. How in my supposed to deal with technical issues, when I don't even get a response during normal business hours? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 15, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Bryan Peterson via Talk > wrote: > > Exactly. I bought my copy on the payment plan back in 2007. My concern with > this murger is that we'll see a drop in quality and an increase in price for > those who, like me, would prefer to purchase their software and have the free > tech support that entails. > > -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:48 AM > To: Evan Reese ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: My Take On things. > > That's the only way I got my very own copy of window eyes. Before then, I > borrowed somebody else's. But when the installment plan came in, I made it > legal and bought my own. The original computer was bought from a guy who > used to sell high tech, and I got window bridge with it. So, I had to > choose something else. And jaws was too expensive. Pam. > > -Original Message- From: Evan Reese via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:13 PM > To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: My Take On things. > > One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader > back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could > never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does > not, and never has given people that option. > Evan > > -Original Message----- From: Singing Sparrow via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: My Take On things. > > First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is > cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty > dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred > dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for > two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if > you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version > of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never > said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An > SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. > > Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the > best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the > second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. > > Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It > can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and > making the screen unseeable. > > Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer > and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. > > Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I > switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since > version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To > avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. > > Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from > either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true > but it is also an easy out. > > Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest > about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No > screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one > should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. > > I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for > your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free > version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other > major changes that we might not like. > > Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose > which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues > but all screen readers always will > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > __
Re: My Take On things.
Exactly. I bought my copy on the payment plan back in 2007. My concern with this murger is that we'll see a drop in quality and an increase in price for those who, like me, would prefer to purchase their software and have the free tech support that entails. -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:48 AM To: Evan Reese ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. That's the only way I got my very own copy of window eyes. Before then, I borrowed somebody else's. But when the installment plan came in, I made it legal and bought my own. The original computer was bought from a guy who used to sell high tech, and I got window bridge with it. So, I had to choose something else. And jaws was too expensive. Pam. -Original Message- From: Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:13 PM To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does not, and never has given people that option. Evan -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4604/12421 - Release Date: 06/14/16 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For
Re: My Take On things.
That's the only way I got my very own copy of window eyes. Before then, I borrowed somebody else's. But when the installment plan came in, I made it legal and bought my own. The original computer was bought from a guy who used to sell high tech, and I got window bridge with it. So, I had to choose something else. And jaws was too expensive. Pam. -Original Message- From: Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:13 PM To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does not, and never has given people that option. Evan -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4604/12421 - Release Date: 06/14/16 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: My Take On things.
Karyn, Don't bank on my stupidity for your retort. I have an iPhone. No one puts "Sent from my iPhone" on the bottom of their messages so people will know they dictated. Apple puts it there by default as an advertisement. Users have to figure out how to change or remove it. Most don't. That's why you see it on virtually all messages sent from iPhones. When I dictate I don't want to sound like an idiot. So I check and correct. But that's just me. If you don't care, well, that's your choice. Tom On 6/14/2016 10:20 PM, Karyn Campbell wrote: Tom, That's why many of us with I-phones put that at the bottom of our messages. It helps you understand that it was likely dictated and dictation can get you at time so cool it on this one. Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com Using WE 9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht machines. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+karyn1421=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:46 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. No. It wasn't aimed at you, Chris. I agree with your sensible message. It was Darrell's post: "I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed with the double of the system technology. Sent from my iPhone" I assume that was supposed to be "the devil of assistive technology." Tom On 6/14/2016 5:18 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote: hahahaha, if that was aimed at me, I didn't dictate it. lol! Just atempting to offer a bit of perspective and calm people down. Sorry if it struck a nerve. I never meant to. On 6/14/2016 5:07 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of your furious dictation? On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed with the double of the system technology. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be gone. It's not. No announcements on the future of any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more. The deal is done folks. Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes. Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win. Give them a chance! On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could be enhanced with scripts/apps. Ai Squared Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.co m] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be. Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi, I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation of set files was taken away. Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the present day. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set
RE: My Take On things.
Tom, That's why many of us with I-phones put that at the bottom of our messages. It helps you understand that it was likely dictated and dictation can get you at time so cool it on this one. Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com Using WE 9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht machines. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+karyn1421=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:46 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. No. It wasn't aimed at you, Chris. I agree with your sensible message. It was Darrell's post: "I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed with the double of the system technology. Sent from my iPhone" I assume that was supposed to be "the devil of assistive technology." Tom On 6/14/2016 5:18 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote: > hahahaha, if that was aimed at me, I didn't dictate it. lol! > > Just atempting to offer a bit of perspective and calm people down. > Sorry if it struck a nerve. I never meant to. > > > > On 6/14/2016 5:07 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >> Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of >> your furious dictation? >> >> >> On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >>> I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not >>> in bed with the double of the system technology. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis >>>> deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already >>>> just assumed to be gone. It's not. No announcements on the future >>>> of any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions, >>>> call your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more. >>>> The deal is done folks. Obviously AI squared had to do this to >>>> survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks, >>>> we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making >>>> enough cash we have to go bye byes. Then you guys would complain too. >>>> Either way these guys can't win. Give them a chance! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: >>>>> One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, >>>>> just could be enhanced with scripts/apps. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ai Squared Support >>>>> Ai Squared >>>>> 725 Airport North Office Park >>>>> Fort Wayne, IN 46825 >>>>> (802) 362-3612 >>>>> www.aisquared.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Talk >>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.co >>>>> m] On Behalf Of via Talk >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM >>>>> To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion >>>>> List >>>>> Subject: Re: My Take On things. >>>>> >>>>> I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than >>>>> they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being >>>>> displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much >>>>> less valuable than it used to be. >>>>> >>>>> Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the >>>>>> creation of set files was taken away. >>>>>> Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the >>>>>> present day. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hth, >>>>>> >>>>>> Rod >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: Talk >>>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com >>>>>> ] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk >>>>>> Sent: Tu
Re: My Take On things.
Don't worry, Nick. There's still a stack of folks having a coronary over Windows 10. But this is how soap operas work: one tragedy trumps the previous one, and on and on it goes. Tom On 6/14/2016 8:56 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: Remember the good 'ole days when Windows 10 was all we worried about? Oh to go back to a simpler time. On 6/14/2016 5:07 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of your furious dictation? On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed with the double of the system technology. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be gone. It's not. No announcements on the future of any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more. The deal is done folks. Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes. Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win. Give them a chance! On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could be enhanced with scripts/apps. Ai Squared Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be. Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi, I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation of set files was taken away. Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the present day. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will
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Remember the good 'ole days when Windows 10 was all we worried about? Oh to go back to a simpler time. On 6/14/2016 5:07 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of your furious dictation? On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed with the double of the system technology. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be gone. It's not. No announcements on the future of any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more. The deal is done folks. Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes. Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win. Give them a chance! On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could be enhanced with scripts/apps. Ai Squared Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be. Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi, I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation of set files was taken away. Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the present day. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutt
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No. It wasn't aimed at you, Chris. I agree with your sensible message. It was Darrell's post: "I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed with the double of the system technology. Sent from my iPhone" I assume that was supposed to be "the devil of assistive technology." Tom On 6/14/2016 5:18 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote: hahahaha, if that was aimed at me, I didn't dictate it. lol! Just atempting to offer a bit of perspective and calm people down. Sorry if it struck a nerve. I never meant to. On 6/14/2016 5:07 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of your furious dictation? On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed with the double of the system technology. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be gone. It's not. No announcements on the future of any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more. The deal is done folks. Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes. Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win. Give them a chance! On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could be enhanced with scripts/apps. Ai Squared Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be. Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi, I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation of set files was taken away. Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the present day. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might n
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I believe that you can spread out payments now. On 6/14/2016 1:22 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Absolutely not. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:13 PM, Evan Reese via Talk wrote: One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does not, and never has given people that option. Evan -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lynnwhite360%40radioforlife.info. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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hahahaha, if that was aimed at me, I didn't dictate it. lol! Just atempting to offer a bit of perspective and calm people down. Sorry if it struck a nerve. I never meant to. On 6/14/2016 5:07 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of your furious dictation? On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed with the double of the system technology. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be gone. It's not. No announcements on the future of any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more. The deal is done folks. Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes. Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win. Give them a chance! On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could be enhanced with scripts/apps. Ai Squared Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be. Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi, I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation of set files was taken away. Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the present day. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent t
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Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of your furious dictation? On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed with the double of the system technology. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be gone. It's not. No announcements on the future of any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more. The deal is done folks. Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes. Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win. Give them a chance! On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could be enhanced with scripts/apps. Ai Squared Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be. Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi, I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation of set files was taken away. Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the present day. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutt on%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at ht
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Hi Chris: It was my fault mentioning trade regulations - didn't think about the possibility they were in financial trouble - should have since I have thought that for several years now but panic seems to temporarily block rational thinking sometimes. I said it would likely do no good contacting government in my last post after a calmer reflection on the situation. Had the folks at WindowEyes not done this they may have had to just turn off the lights, lock the door and go home sooner rather than later. At least this way there may be a smooth transition for us clients into whatever the future will hold. Doug, Aaron and Dan will do what they can - of that I am confident. We have known them for many, many years and they are pretty good people me thinks and quite professional. Rick USA ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Thanks for that, Chris. Two thoughts that I'd like to throw out there for consideration are these: 1. we now have the top talent in the AT industry working under one umbrella. Thus, instead of competing, we have the opportunity to cooperate with each other. Yes; this means the Window-Eyes and JAWS groups could potentially collaborate on projects, sharing the expertise and knowledge we have eachgained over the past 20+ years. From that standpoint, all of our customers benefit. 2. VFO combined really does have accessibility covered across the entire low vision/blind spectrum. Not only do we have the best magnification and screen reading products, but hardware as well. As a staunch supporter of Braille, I personally am excited that we once more have Braille display technology expertise in-house. Some of you have already assumed the worst that this entire venture was done to kill off the Window-Eyes and ZoomText brands. While only time can tell when and how our product lines evolve, VFO has recognized that each product fills a certain nitch. People choose Window-Eyes over JAWS for a reason; likewise MagIC versus ZoomText. These reasons are important, and I'm confident they will be considered as our leadership moves forward. But let's give them a chance to do that. Finally, while I can understand and sympathize with how much of a shock this news brings, yelling and writing angry messages (while everyone's right) isn't productive. I would ask that we get back to helping one another with Window-Eyes, as this is the main purpose of the Talk list. Rest assured that the appropriate people have read your thoughts, both positive and negative. Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:19 PM To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be gone. It's not. No announcements on the future of any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more. The deal is done folks. Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes. Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win. Give them a chance! On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: > One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could > be enhanced with scripts/apps. > > > Ai Squared Support > Ai Squared > 725 Airport North Office Park > Fort Wayne, IN 46825 > (802) 362-3612 > www.aisquared.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM > To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: My Take On things. > > I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used > to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm > makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be. > > Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the >> creation of set files was taken away. >> Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the >> present day. >> >> Hth, >> >> Rod >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: My Take On things. >> >> First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is >> cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty >> dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred >> dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for >> two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars >> if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home >> Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific >> has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy >> an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. >> >> Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what
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I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed with the double of the system technology. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk > wrote: > > I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just > went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be > gone. It's not. No announcements on the future of any products has been > made. Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream > until you can't scream no more. The deal is done folks. Obviously AI > squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a message > saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us > not making enough cash we have to go bye byes. Then you guys would complain > too. Either way these guys can't win. Give them a chance! > > > > >> On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: >> One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just >> could be enhanced with scripts/apps. >> >> >> Ai Squared Support >> Ai Squared >> 725 Airport North Office Park >> Fort Wayne, IN 46825 >> (802) 362-3612 >> www.aisquared.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM >> To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: My Take On things. >> >> I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used >> to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no >> osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to >> be. >> >> Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation >>> of set files was taken away. >>> Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the >>> present day. >>> >>> Hth, >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >>> Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: My Take On things. >>> >>> First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is >>> cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty >>> dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred >>> dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for >>> two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars >>> if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home >>> Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has >>> never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an >>> SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. >>> >>> Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the >>> best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the >>> second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. >>> >>> Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It >>> can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display >>> and making the screen unseeable. >>> >>> Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer >>> and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. >>> >>> Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I >>> switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since >>> version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To >>> avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. >>> >>> Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from >>> either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be >>> true but it is also an easy out. >>> >>> Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be >>> honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be >>> NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an >>> SMA one should be able to expect improvement
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I agree. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:19 PM To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be gone. It's not. No announcements on the future of any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more. The deal is done folks. Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes. Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win. Give them a chance! On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: > One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could be enhanced with scripts/apps. > > > Ai Squared Support > Ai Squared > 725 Airport North Office Park > Fort Wayne, IN 46825 > (802) 362-3612 > www.aisquared.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM > To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: My Take On things. > > I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be. > > Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the >> creation of set files was taken away. >> Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the >> present day. >> >> Hth, >> >> Rod >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: My Take On things. >> >> First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is >> cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty >> dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred >> dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for >> two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars >> if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home >> Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific >> has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy >> an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. >> >> Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the >> best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the >> second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. >> >> Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It >> can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display >> and making the screen unseeable. >> >> Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing >> Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. >> >> Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I >> switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since >> version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To >> avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. >> >> Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same >> from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could >> be true but it is also an easy out. >> >> Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be >> honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be >> NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an >> SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. >> >> I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for >> your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free >> version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other >> major changes that we might not like. >> >> Hopefully both programs will be available
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I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be gone. It's not. No announcements on the future of any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more. The deal is done folks. Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes. Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win. Give them a chance! On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could be enhanced with scripts/apps. Ai Squared Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be. Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi, I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation of set files was taken away. Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the present day. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutt on%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/covici%40ccs.cov
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One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could be enhanced with scripts/apps. Ai Squared Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: My Take On things. I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be. Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation > of set files was taken away. > Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the > present day. > > Hth, > > Rod > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: My Take On things. > > First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is > cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty > dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred > dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for > two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars > if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home > Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has > never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an > SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. > > Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the > best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the > second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. > > Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It > can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display > and making the screen unseeable. > > Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer > and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. > > Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I > switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since > version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To > avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. > > Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from > either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be > true but it is also an easy out. > > Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be > honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be > NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an > SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. > > I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for > your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free > version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other > major changes that we might not like. > > Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose > which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some > issues but all screen readers always will > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutt > on%40h > otmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/covici%40ccs.covici.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How
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I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be. Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation of > set files was taken away. > Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the present > day. > > Hth, > > Rod > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Singing Sparrow via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: My Take On things. > > First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper > than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the > newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the > last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two > versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one > hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two > upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between > major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars > for two upgrades. > > Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best > features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to > be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. > > Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can > also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making > the screen unseeable. > > Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and > other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. > > Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched > to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there > seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the > crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. > > Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from > either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but > it is also an easy out. > > Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest > about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No > screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should > be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. > > I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your > products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe > we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we > might not like. > > Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which > problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all > screen readers always will > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h > otmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/covici%40ccs.covici.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: My Take On things.
Hi, I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation of set files was taken away. Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the present day. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: My Take On things.
Hi, Evan, Someone on this list told about contacting FS for the same arrangement, and he was told to contact his rehab counselor-all very well and good if you're going through rehab. Otherwise it's utterly inane. Evelyn - Original Message - From: Evan Reese via Talk To: "Singing Sparrow" ,"Window-Eyes Discussion List" Date sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:13:27 -0400 Subject: Re: My Take On things. One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does not, and never has given people that option. Evan -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/men tat1%40dslextreme.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wec kerly%40i2k.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: My Take On things.
Absolutely not. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:13 PM, Evan Reese via Talk > wrote: > > One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader > back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could > never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does > not, and never has given people that option. > Evan > > -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: My Take On things. > > First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is > cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty > dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred > dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for > two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if > you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version > of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never > said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An > SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. > > Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the > best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the > second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. > > Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It > can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and > making the screen unseeable. > > Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer > and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. > > Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I > switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since > version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To > avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. > > Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from > either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true > but it is also an easy out. > > Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest > about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No > screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one > should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. > > I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for > your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free > version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other > major changes that we might not like. > > Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose > which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues > but all screen readers always will > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: My Take On things.
One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does not, and never has given people that option. Evan -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: My Take On things. First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
My Take On things.
First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA. An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades. Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently. Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making the screen unseeable. Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue. Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current. Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but it is also an easy out. Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed. I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we might not like. Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all screen readers always will ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
