Re: [OSM-talk] Map Update
2008/12/31 Andre Schoonbee > Hi All > > First, seasonal greetings! > > I have a few questions: > > 1) I have uploaded roads data using JOSM. This now is appearing as normal > lines and not as per the classified roads. I like Mekaartor also, and can > want to upload the rest of the roads. Am I using the correct process, > because some roads are new and some is a change of the existing roads. > "I download the respective area, add my data and delete on my pc what seems > to be incorrect, then upload again." > You process appears correct... > > 2) I also would like to add more parameters for the roads, like average > travel speed, speed limit, etc. could it be done? The reason why I want to > add this is to be used in our routing component, eventually to determine > also average travel time. > You can add as many parameters as you want... Check out http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features for ideas, if you can't find a way on there to represent a certain parameter, look at proposed features too, if there is no evidence that that parameter has been captured before, feel free to propose a new one... While you don't have to propose a new feature to tag things, as tagging is open, it's kind of nice for the community if tags are documented so that people can acheive some level of standard tagging of the same features... And specifically, for the speed limit, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed (from the Restrictions section of the Map Features page) Average travel speed it a tricky one, it can vary dramatically based on mode of transport, time of day, day of week and season, there has been discussion in the past about using the GPS tracks to be able to calculate figures for this, but, it would take some considerable effort and lots of tracks for individual routes... As such, I don't think much progress has been made on it and I believe people have been typically using formulas that work with the maxspeed, road type and other magic variables to attempt to approximate average travel speed... I hope this helps :) d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-ca] Northern lights
2008/12/31 Jochen Topf > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 03:26:26AM +, michc...@gmail.com wrote: > > Ok. I found the IDs of the ways I would like to delete. What do I do next > > to retrieve them and remove them. Thanks. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.5 > In addition to what I wrote before... the use of the /full modifier (which I had either not noticed before or forgotten about, thanks Jochen) when fetching the ways would allow fetching of the nodes too, though you would likely need to sort the resulting file before being able to use it... Actually, as you don't really need the original nodes to delete them it might not be so useful in this case... d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > there is a guy in Germany who has been tracing a lot of Indian cities - > although I am a bit ambivalent about the results. Sure, the roads *are* being > traced, but without names and also with guesses as to the road type. I > sometimes wonder whether it is easier to delete and remap this than to > correct what is done. I feel it is better to stick to mapping rivers, lakes > and other features than to map roads without being familiar with the area. I'm am also a bit unsure. But having an initial draft of the roads in the DB does have some advantages. Then can you survey with a mobile device or a printed copy of the map and know how where to look for unnamed streets. And gosmore may use a thoroughfare that locals are not used to, forcing them to investigate. Frederik's idea of the current DB being a placeholder for the "final" DB. IMHO roads (even unnamed roads) are much more valuable than rivers, railway lines and building outlines. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Map Update
Hi All First, seasonal greetings! I have a few questions: 1) I have uploaded roads data using JOSM. This now is appearing as normal lines and not as per the classified roads. I like Mekaartor also, and can want to upload the rest of the roads. Am I using the correct process, because some roads are new and some is a change of the existing roads. "I download the respective area, add my data and delete on my pc what seems to be incorrect, then upload again." 2) I also would like to add more parameters for the roads, like average travel speed, speed limit, etc. could it be done? The reason why I want to add this is to be used in our routing component, eventually to determine also average travel time. Regards Andre ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-ca] Northern lights
2008/12/31 > On Dec 29, 2008 10:41am, Jochen Topf wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 03:08:36PM +, michc...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > >> There just was a discussion on dev about a single way with 40.000 > nodes. > > > > >> > > > > >> That is far too long to be able to handle it with current software and > > > > >> > > > > >> makes lots of problems. Are you maybe referring to that? Ways should > not > > > > >> > > > > >> have more than 1000 nodes or so. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yes we are. The current ways we are talking about may have more than 40 > > > > > 000 nodes. I would like to delete them and replace them by chopping the > > > > > ways. > > > > > > > > > > Do you known how I could delete the current ones at once. I thought > about > > > > > something like: SELECT boundary FROM ways WHERE > > > > > (boundary='administrative' AND admin_level=4 AND source='geobase'). The > > > > > number we should get is 503 ways. > > > > > > > > When you uploaded those ways you should have gotten the new way_id. If > > > > you didn't record this but remember on which day you did the upload you > > > > can download the right daily or hourly diff (from > > > > http://planet.openstreetmap.org/) and find the IDs in there. (And record > > > > the IDs the next time you do a bulk upload for cases like this.) > > > > > > Ok. I found the IDs of the ways I would like to delete. What do I do next > to retrieve them and remove them. Thanks. > > Michel > > One way to do it would be to script a request to http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/ for each wayid, stripping the , and tags out and concatenating into a single file... Parse the resulting file extracting node IDs, and add lines similar to " lat='0' lon='0' visible='false' />" to the beginning of the file... If you want to/can use JOSM to remove them, when complete, add back the tag at the top, the tag at the bottom and replace all instances of visible='true' with visible='false', load into JOSM and hit upload... Otherwise, you'll probably need to use the bulk import script, for this, you'd add and at the bottom, then feed it through the bulk import script... I hope that helps... It's quite easily scriptable, though perhaps someone has a premade bulk-delete script already... d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-ca] Northern lights
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 03:26:26AM +, michc...@gmail.com wrote: > Ok. I found the IDs of the ways I would like to delete. What do I do next > to retrieve them and remove them. Thanks. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.5 Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
On Wednesday 31 Dec 2008 12:02:01 pm brendan barrett wrote: > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Tanveer Singh wrote: > >> what is sad about it? In India only the very big cities have yahoo > >> imagery - and work is going on fairly well there. The rest of the > >> country is a big blank, and GPS instruments are not all that affordable. > >> As the price falls, things will improve. > > "and work is going on fairly well there" > > I wonder who decides what the correct "pace" is? all I can say is that it is much faster than last year and not as fast as next year ;-) > If it were up to me > i'd like the whole world mapped at street level yesterday. I'd prefer > to accelerate the process as much as possible so that we can start > mapping other things... or better yet, help out in other useful > related projects. I'm never one to be satisfied with the way things > are, and hence hold back. The sooner everything that's in Yahoo > imagery is mapped, the sooner we can put that behind us and move to > the next step (focusing on rural data perhaps? - not that is has to be > done separately:P). there is a guy in Germany who has been tracing a lot of Indian cities - although I am a bit ambivalent about the results. Sure, the roads *are* being traced, but without names and also with guesses as to the road type. I sometimes wonder whether it is easier to delete and remap this than to correct what is done. I feel it is better to stick to mapping rivers, lakes and other features than to map roads without being familiar with the area. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Tanveer Singh wrote: >> what is sad about it? In India only the very big cities have yahoo imagery - >> and work is going on fairly well there. The rest of the country is a big >> blank, and GPS instruments are not all that affordable. As the price falls, >> things will improve. "and work is going on fairly well there" I wonder who decides what the correct "pace" is? If it were up to me i'd like the whole world mapped at street level yesterday. I'd prefer to accelerate the process as much as possible so that we can start mapping other things... or better yet, help out in other useful related projects. I'm never one to be satisfied with the way things are, and hence hold back. The sooner everything that's in Yahoo imagery is mapped, the sooner we can put that behind us and move to the next step (focusing on rural data perhaps? - not that is has to be done separately:P). Just a thought. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tuesday 30 Dec 2008 10:59:15 pm Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: >> there are lots of people in the first world mapping even the most >> irrelevant buildings in their villages, while in the third world there are >> large cities with good Yahoo imagery and nobody mapping them. Sad, isn't it > > what is sad about it? In India only the very big cities have yahoo imagery - > and work is going on fairly well there. The rest of the country is a big > blank, and GPS instruments are not all that affordable. As the price falls, > things will improve. I hape mapped many regions around where I live, but many remote places are blanks. I will start mapping them once I figure out how to upload gpx trails without timestamps. My lowrance does not dump timestamps, so until I get a new unit(hopefully soon), You will see lot of rural India also getting mapped as I get around a lot. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
On Tuesday 30 Dec 2008 10:59:15 pm Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: > there are lots of people in the first world mapping even the most > irrelevant buildings in their villages, while in the third world there are > large cities with good Yahoo imagery and nobody mapping them. Sad, isn't it what is sad about it? In India only the very big cities have yahoo imagery - and work is going on fairly well there. The rest of the country is a big blank, and GPS instruments are not all that affordable. As the price falls, things will improve. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-ca] Northern lights
On Dec 29, 2008 10:41am, Jochen Topf wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 03:08:36PM +, michc...@gmail.com wrote: >> There just was a discussion on dev about a single way with 40.000 nodes. >> >> That is far too long to be able to handle it with current software and >> >> makes lots of problems. Are you maybe referring to that? Ways should not >> >> have more than 1000 nodes or so. >> > > Yes we are. The current ways we are talking about may have more than 40 > 000 nodes. I would like to delete them and replace them by chopping the > ways. > > Do you known how I could delete the current ones at once. I thought about > something like: SELECT boundary FROM ways WHERE > (boundary='administrative' AND admin_level=4 AND source='geobase'). The > number we should get is 503 ways. When you uploaded those ways you should have gotten the new way_id. If you didn't record this but remember on which day you did the upload you can download the right daily or hourly diff (from http://planet.openstreetmap.org/) and find the IDs in there. (And record the IDs the next time you do a bulk upload for cases like this.) Ok. I found the IDs of the ways I would like to delete. What do I do next to retrieve them and remove them. Thanks. Michel Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders
On 30/12/08 21:44, Richard Bullock wrote: >> This is, at best, confusing and, at worst, wrong. The territorial waters >> and >> contiguous zones have very different legal status from a national border, >> you can for instance pass through the territorial waters of a nation >> without >> any border controls Some land borders, e.g. between Ireland and the UK are like that. No border control. >> I would suggest that maritime borders are not tagged the same way as land >> borders. Should we have a new tag for maritime borders? Stop tagging them? >> Ignore the problem? I think maritime borders should be in OSM. I can't really think why they should be tagged differently. They are a boundary=adminitrative, and they do have an admin_level of 2 Rory signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of maritime borders
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > Have they been tagged as national borders or just as > boundary=administrative? If it's the latter why is this an > inappropriate use of the boundary=administrative tag? Exclusive > economic zone and territorial waters are just another type of > administrative borders at the trans-national level. They have been tagged just as normal land borders, with boundary=administrative and admin_level=2. The only difference is that they (for obvious reasons) normally have only one contry name, sometimes none. Replacing admin_level with something that indicates that the boundary is not between two different administrative entities of similar "level". - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of maritime borders
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Gustav Foseid wrote: > In Europe a number of maritime borders have been tagged recently as national > borders, with boundary=administrative and admin_level=2. Have they been tagged as national borders or just as boundary=administrative? If it's the latter why is this an inappropriate use of the boundary=administrative tag? Exclusive economic zone and territorial waters are just another type of administrative borders at the trans-national level. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Maritme borders
> In Europe a number of maritime borders have been tagged recently as > national > borders, with boundary=administrative and admin_level=2. > > Exactly what is tagged varies: > North of Norway: A part of the exclusive economic zone > Finland: 24 mile contiguous zone > South of Sweden: Looks like an approximation of the 24 mile contiguous > zone > Denmark: 24 mile contiguous zone > Germany in the Baltic Sea: Seems to be territorial waters, but I have not > checked the ED50 coordinates given in the source with the actual points > Germany in the North Sea: Old 3 mile territorial waters? > The Netherlands: Source is AND? Line approx 1 mile of the coast, unsure > what > this is. > Belgium: 24 mile contiguous zone > Italy: The coastline, but some places into the sea and other places on > land. > Greece/Turkey: Only tagged where islands from both countries are close to > each other. > > This is, at best, confusing and, at worst, wrong. The territorial waters > and > contiguous zones have very different legal status from a national border, > you can for instance pass through the territorial waters of a nation > without > any border controls. Some details are in the Wikipedia article for United > Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. > > I would suggest that maritime borders are not tagged the same way as land > borders. Should we have a new tag for maritime borders? Stop tagging them? > Ignore the problem? The UK, Ireland, France and Spain also have ways around their coasts - but only tagged as FIXME=robot-generated-12nm-border ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Tagging of maritime borders
In Europe a number of maritime borders have been tagged recently as national borders, with boundary=administrative and admin_level=2. Exactly what is tagged varies: North of Norway: A part of the exclusive economic zone Finland: 24 mile contiguous zone South of Sweden: Looks like an approximation of the 24 mile contiguous zone Denmark: 24 mile contiguous zone Germany in the Baltic Sea: Seems to be territorial waters, but I have not checked the ED50 coordinates given in the source with the actual points Germany in the North Sea: Old 3 mile territorial waters? The Netherlands: Source is AND? Line approx 1 mile of the coast, unsure what this is. Belgium: 24 mile contiguous zone Italy: The coastline, but some places into the sea and other places on land. Greece/Turkey: Only tagged where islands from both countries are close to each other. This is, at best, confusing and, at worst, wrong. The territorial waters and contiguous zones have very different legal status from a national border, you can for instance pass through the territorial waters of a nation without any border controls. Some details are in the Wikipedia article for United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. I would suggest that maritime borders are not tagged the same way as land borders. Should we have a new tag for maritime borders? Stop tagging them? Ignore the problem? - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] rotating icons or 2D icons
On 30 Dec 2008, at 13:00, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > Hi, > > apologies - golf again ;-) I made a bunch of icons for marking > points of > interest on a golf course - tree, palmtree, yardage marker etc. The > trees > have a trunk and leaves, the yardage marker looks like a milestone. > Looks > cool as long as the direction of play is towards the north. But if I > want > hole by hole maps, the golfer wants to look at the map from where he > is with > the destination at the top. So I make an image of the hole to be > traversed > and rotate it - result: the yardage markers are facing the wrong > way, the > trees are upside down ... I could of course generate an svg file and > manually > rotate all the icons. Or make 2D icons - but even then, all icons > with text > on them would be upside down or at crazy angles on holes that do not > face > north. Icons without text would be ok as long as they are > symmetrical. Any > ideas? suggestions? Rotate the data for each hole then render the data. Shaun ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Watering place
A body of water or water supply suitable for and accessible to animals. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Watering_place ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Contours, hill shading, and holes problem
Hi, It's probably right under my nose but I don't see it : I followed : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HikingBikingMaps and still got trouble with : 1) I seam to have a projection problem with the raster hill shaded image generated by : $ gdalwarp -of GTiff -co "TILED=YES" -srcnodata 32767 -dstnodata 32767 -t_srs "+proj=merc +ellps=sphere +R=6378137 +a=6378137 +units=m" -rcs -order 3 -tr 30 30 -multi alpes.tif alpes-mercator.tif (+hillshading) While contour lines are okay (I checked it with osm data I know) The hill shaded image is somehow shifted from north to south of about 40km See here what I mean : http://beta.letuffe.org/?zoom=12&lat=45.51228&lon=6.21422&layers=0B0 Unfortunelty, when it comes to mercator projection, I'm somehow level 0, If I am supposed to modify the line : -t_srs "+proj=merc +ellps=sphere +R=6378137 +a=6378137" to get the good shift, could someone point me to a rather simple mercator first step ? 2) Holes in the srtm data seams to be considered has -3 meters, and thus giving me hugly artifact you can see in the upper link. I thought the : $ gdal_contour -snodata 32767 would get rid of them, but it seams that no Same for the hill shading : $ gdalwarp -srcnodata 32767 -dstnodata 32767 seams to have no effect On the contour problem, I added "WHERE height>0" at the mapnik layer to get a little better, but I don't think that's the way to go Many thanks for reading. PS:I didn't know if talk or dev was the best place to go, so just tell me if I should move to dev -- Sylvain Letuffe li...@letuffe.org qui suis-je : http://slyserv.dyndns.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Trail riding station
Proposal: Define a tag for way stations that have a stable with room for guest horses as well as some type of accomodation for riders. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Trail_riding_station ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
I guess you're right, Lucas. South Africa does not need the TLC that Manning talks about. Consider that street level maps are usually produced by government agencies. And that most African governments simply do not have the skills. So if we map these cities, it may actually improve tourism, city planning, logistics, property rights, emergency response, civil engineering etc. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Yahoo%21_Aerial_Imagery/Coverage On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: > Yes, > there are lots of people in the first world mapping even the most irrelevant > buildings in their villages, while in the third world there are large cities > with good Yahoo imagery and nobody mapping them. Sad, isn't it? South Africa > does not seem to need much help, by the way. > > Lucas > > > > De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de brendan barrett > Enviado el: mar 30/12/2008 18:03 > Para: talk@openstreetmap.org > Asunto: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone? > > I've only just joined the OSM Talk Mailing list and wanted to respond > to this message... so i've pasted some of it below the jump. 80n... if > you're bored in the evenings, how about thinking far away from home? > South Africa has good aerial photography for the major cities (Yahoo > Imagery)... wanna give us a hand down here? : P > > > >> 80n wrote: >> In my case I've run out of stuff to map. Can someone build some more >> roads please? ;) > > > To clarify, my immediate area is complete in every direction as far as I can > go before meeting another area that is already mapped. And by complete I > mean all everything down to post boxes but not as far as house numbers. > > As far as Surrey is concerned all towns and large villages are fairly well > mapped. I don't think we can declare it finished yet but it's not far off. > > I don't know how other counties are doing. Are any others near to > completion? > > 80n > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Article on Linux.com: "Municipalities open their GIS systems to citizens"
Haven't seen in mentioned on the OSM lists yet, but there's a nice mention of OpenStreetMap in the article "Municipalities open their GIS systems to citizens" on the Linux.com website: http://www.linux.com/feature/155792 = Municipalities open their GIS systems to citizens By Marco Fioretti on December 30, 2008 (2:00:00 PM) Many public administrations already use open source Geographic Information Systems (GIS) to let citizens look at public geographic data trough dedicated Web sites. Others use the same software to partially open the data gathering process: they let citizens directly add geographic information to the official, high-quality GIS databases by drawing or clicking on digital maps. = -- -- -- -- Bob Jonkman http://sobac.com/sobac/ SOBAC Microcomputer Services Voice: +1-519-669-0388 6 James Street, Elmira ON Canada N3B 1L5 Cel: +1-519-635-9413 Software --- Office & Business Automation --- Consulting ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Your whishlist for Debian Packages?
Sebastian Niehaus writes:
> "Joerg Ostertag (OSM Tettnang/Germany)" writes:
[...]
> josm is great
Ich habe kürzlich einen *tierischen* Schwanz an zu installierenden
Abhängigkeiten angezeigt bekommen:
,
| crystalline:/tmp# aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
| Treffer http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release.gpg
|
|
| [...]
|
| Aktueller Status: 4 Aktualisierungen [+4], 21934 Neue [+17].
| Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
| Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut
| Lese Status-Informationen ein... Fertig
| Lese erweiterte Statusinformationen
| Initialisiere Paketstatus... Fertig
| Lese Task-Beschreibungen... Fertig
| Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich installiert:
| espeak{a} espeak-data{a} freetds-common{a} gda2-postgres{a} gdal-bin{a}
gpsdrive-data-maps{a} libaccess-bridge-java{a}
| libboost-program-options1.34.1{a} libct4{a} libdbd-sqlite3-perl{a}
libespeak1{a} libgda2-3{a} libgda2-bin{a} libgda2-common{a}
| libgda3-postgres{a} libspeechd2{a} libtext-query-perl{a}
libwww-mechanize-perl{a} mapnik-plugins{a} mapnik-utils{a} openjdk-6-jre{a}
| openjdk-6-jre-headless{a} openjdk-6-jre-lib{a} openstreetmap-map-icons{a}
openstreetmap-map-icons-classic.small{a}
| openstreetmap-mapnik-world-boundaries{a} postgis{a} postgresql-8.3{a}
postgresql-8.3-postgis{a} postgresql-common{a} python-mapnik{a}
| rhino{a} ttf-arphic-uming{a} ttf-baekmuk{a} ttf-bengali-fonts{a}
ttf-devanagari-fonts{a} ttf-gujarati-fonts{a} ttf-indic-fonts{a}
| ttf-kannada-fonts{a} ttf-malayalam-fonts{a} ttf-oriya-fonts{a}
ttf-punjabi-fonts{a} ttf-tamil-fonts{a} ttf-telugu-fonts{a}
| tzdata-java{a}
| Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert:
| gpsdrive merkaartor openstreetmap-josm openstreetmap-utils
| 4 Pakete aktualisiert, 45 zusätzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt und 0
nicht aktualisiert.
| Muss 356MB an Archiven herunterladen. Nach dem Entpacken werden 624MB
zusätzlich belegt sein.
| Wollen Sie fortsetzen? [Y/n/?]
`
Ich weiß nicht, wieso das alles plötzlich installiert werden soll,
aber 624 MB Platz kann ich auf meinem Laptop nicht wirklich erübrigen.
Gruß,
Sebastian
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Re: [OSM-talk] Gosmore problem
Hi David, The prepackaged gosmore binaries were built from version 10694. If you want to create pak files with Linux, checkout that version of from svn, make and rebuild. I only want to upgrade the prepackaged binaries and pak file after I have done all the testing necessary. Regards, Nic On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 6:36 PM, David Groom wrote: > Recently I've been having a problem building pak files and transfering them > to my Windows devices. > > Gosmore on my Linux machines (Ubuntu 8.04 and Xbuntu) works fine. > > Gosmore on my Windows XP & Windows CE machine works fine using the pak files > supplied from http://nroets.openhost.dk/countries/ > > However, recently, if on my Linux machine I build a pak file using my own > OSM data, and transfer that pak file to the Windows machines the road names > do not display properly, and I get the following error reported : > > (gosmore.exe:852): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to > pango_layout_set_text() > > I had no problems until after October 2008. Any help would be appreciated. > > Regards > > David > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
Yeah, but there's still so much to map it'll keep people busy for months! Either way... I agree with your comment... let's think further afield when we're done with our own turf:P On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: > Yes, > there are lots of people in the first world mapping even the most irrelevant > buildings in their villages, while in the third world there are large cities > with good Yahoo imagery and nobody mapping them. Sad, isn't it? South Africa > does not seem to need much help, by the way. > > Lucas > > > > De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de brendan barrett > Enviado el: mar 30/12/2008 18:03 > Para: talk@openstreetmap.org > Asunto: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone? > > I've only just joined the OSM Talk Mailing list and wanted to respond > to this message... so i've pasted some of it below the jump. 80n... if > you're bored in the evenings, how about thinking far away from home? > South Africa has good aerial photography for the major cities (Yahoo > Imagery)... wanna give us a hand down here? : P > > > >> 80n wrote: >> In my case I've run out of stuff to map. Can someone build some more >> roads please? ;) > > > To clarify, my immediate area is complete in every direction as far as I can > go before meeting another area that is already mapped. And by complete I > mean all everything down to post boxes but not as far as house numbers. > > As far as Surrey is concerned all towns and large villages are fairly well > mapped. I don't think we can declare it finished yet but it's not far off. > > I don't know how other counties are doing. Are any others near to > completion? > > 80n > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
Yes, there are lots of people in the first world mapping even the most irrelevant buildings in their villages, while in the third world there are large cities with good Yahoo imagery and nobody mapping them. Sad, isn't it? South Africa does not seem to need much help, by the way. Lucas De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de brendan barrett Enviado el: mar 30/12/2008 18:03 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone? I've only just joined the OSM Talk Mailing list and wanted to respond to this message... so i've pasted some of it below the jump. 80n... if you're bored in the evenings, how about thinking far away from home? South Africa has good aerial photography for the major cities (Yahoo Imagery)... wanna give us a hand down here? : P > 80n wrote: > In my case I've run out of stuff to map. Can someone build some more > roads please? ;) To clarify, my immediate area is complete in every direction as far as I can go before meeting another area that is already mapped. And by complete I mean all everything down to post boxes but not as far as house numbers. As far as Surrey is concerned all towns and large villages are fairly well mapped. I don't think we can declare it finished yet but it's not far off. I don't know how other counties are doing. Are any others near to completion? 80n ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
I've only just joined the OSM Talk Mailing list and wanted to respond to this message... so i've pasted some of it below the jump. 80n... if you're bored in the evenings, how about thinking far away from home? South Africa has good aerial photography for the major cities (Yahoo Imagery)... wanna give us a hand down here? : P > 80n wrote: > In my case I've run out of stuff to map. Can someone build some more > roads please? ;) To clarify, my immediate area is complete in every direction as far as I can go before meeting another area that is already mapped. And by complete I mean all everything down to post boxes but not as far as house numbers. As far as Surrey is concerned all towns and large villages are fairly well mapped. I don't think we can declare it finished yet but it's not far off. I don't know how other counties are doing. Are any others near to completion? 80n ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Gosmore problem
Recently I've been having a problem building pak files and transfering them to my Windows devices. Gosmore on my Linux machines (Ubuntu 8.04 and Xbuntu) works fine. Gosmore on my Windows XP & Windows CE machine works fine using the pak files supplied from http://nroets.openhost.dk/countries/ However, recently, if on my Linux machine I build a pak file using my own OSM data, and transfer that pak file to the Windows machines the road names do not display properly, and I get the following error reported : (gosmore.exe:852): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() I had no problems until after October 2008. Any help would be appreciated. Regards David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] Trunk and primary roads in Britain
Mike, I don't believe that all A roads will be re-signed with green signs. There is still a distinction between (former) trunk roads and other A-roads. Green signed roads are generally more important roads, and usually built to a better standard. I think the current OSM situation is far more sensible than tagging roads according to who maintains them, which is far harder to ascertain, and of little interest to people reading maps. Most other maps I've seen are similar to OSM (eg http://www.streetmap.co.uk/idl.srf?X=301500&Y=525500&A=Y&Z=120&lm=1 for OS) or have a totally arbitrary mix of colours for green-signed roads, which often make no sense. (eg http://www.multimap.com/s/B2JuJ4Qw) cf OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.6127&lon=-3.5277&zoom=14&layers=0B00FTF Regards, David --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Mike Harris wrote: > From: Mike Harris > Subject: [OSM-newbies] Trunk and primary roads in Britain > To: newb...@openstreetmap.org > Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 9:10 AM > Advice please for a relative newbie. > > Until the mid-1990s, trunk roads in Britain were managed by > a central government agency (in England, the Highways > Agency) and other roads, including other primary roads, were > managed by local authorities. All primary roads were > numbered "A" (n - up to 4 digits) - many maps > (including the Ordnance Survey) further distinguished trunk > roads by adding a descriptor thus "A (T)". OSM > largely, but not entirely, reflects this historical > situation with the separate tags highway:trunk and > highway:primary being differently rendered (e.g. green for > trunk and red for primary in Osmarender). > > The comment for trunk roads on the map features main page > of the OSM Wiki reads: > > "Important roads that aren't motorways. Typically > maintained by central, not local government. Need not > necessarily be a divided highway. In the UK, all green > signed A roads are, in OSM, classed as > 'trunk'." > > and for primary roads: > > "Administrative classification in the UK, generally > linking larger towns." > > Unfortunately, in the mid-1990s nearly all trunk roads in > Britain were "de-trunked" and their maintenance > transferred from central to local government (in England, > for example, the Highways Agency). There are now very few > trunk roads in the country - see map at > http://www.highways.gov.uk/aboutus/6151.htm . This change is > reflected in most recent mapping (including the OS - note > how the "(T)" suffix has disappeared from almost > all A roads that formerly had it) - except OSM! > > If we take the current legal situation at face value, we > should logically change in OSM most of the roads tagged as > "trunk" to "primary" - and this would > best be done wholesale rather than piecemeal (if this is > possible). > > The current comments on the map features page are now at > best confusing and perhaps incorrect. All A roads are green > signed (or will be as older white signs are replaced) but > almost all are maintained by local government - so the > comment on trunk roads is now self-contradictory. AFAIK > there is no administrative classification for primary roads > other than as "A" roads - so the comment on > primary road also contradicts the comment on trunk roads. > > Being a logical sort of person and wanting OSM to be > up-to-date, I am tempted to change the advice in the Wiki > and to change "trunk" to "primary" as I > come across them via my GPX traces - but I don't want to > act unilaterally. > > May I recommend strongly that we bring OSM up-to-date with > the current administrative situation in Great Britain and > reclassify trunk roads as primary wherever they have been > detrunked? Is there a generic way of doing this centrally? > (I am nowadays "only" a mapper and no longer a > coder). > > mikh43 > > ___ > newbies mailing list > newb...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] rotating icons or 2D icons
Hi, apologies - golf again ;-) I made a bunch of icons for marking points of interest on a golf course - tree, palmtree, yardage marker etc. The trees have a trunk and leaves, the yardage marker looks like a milestone. Looks cool as long as the direction of play is towards the north. But if I want hole by hole maps, the golfer wants to look at the map from where he is with the destination at the top. So I make an image of the hole to be traversed and rotate it - result: the yardage markers are facing the wrong way, the trees are upside down ... I could of course generate an svg file and manually rotate all the icons. Or make 2D icons - but even then, all icons with text on them would be upside down or at crazy angles on holes that do not face north. Icons without text would be ok as long as they are symmetrical. Any ideas? suggestions? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
