[OSM-talk] Persistent troubles downloading Planet

[Michal Migurski]

Hi,

Is anyone else having trouble with http://planet.openstreetmap.org?  
I've been trying and re-trying to download the latest planet file for  
two days, and my HTTP connections have been repeatedly cut off. I'm  
stitching it together using the Range header, but still.

-mike.


michal migurski- m...@stamen.com
  415.558.1610




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Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-ph] request for assistance to import Philippine data from PAFID

[maning sambale]

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.
 wrote:
> Would this be something that in the future could be used as a basis for
> a 3d model of the OSM map?
> I mean does it contain topological data enough to create displays like
> the one displayed here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Topographic-Relief-perspective-sample.jpg
> Or are they simply image files?

The link (topo map) you provided is the source of the vector data.


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Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-ph] request for assistance to import Philippine data from PAFID

[maning sambale]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Mike Collinson  wrote:
> There is one ESRI Shapefile per original map sheet per data type (rivers, 
> roads, ...)?
Yes, one shapefile for each feature.

>And the Cartalinks vectors (sorry I am not familiar with this) is the same 
>data but in a different format?
Most data are in cartalinks vector format, I will convert everything
into shapefile before we import to OSM format.

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Re: [OSM-talk] How to set up a localized mapnik + slippy map web server

[Colin Marquardt]

2009/3/31 Tal :
> A few clueless people were toying with the Idea of creating a webserver +
> slippy map in 2 (later 3) languages for Israel (Including the ... ahmm...
> territories...).

Richard Weait has written a good introduction:
http://weait.com/content/make-your-first-map
There also have been writeups here about how to create localized maps.

Cheers
  Colin

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Announcement] talk-ps Palestine mailing list

[Mike Collinson]

Hmm, did I really do that?  That is what comes of cut and pasting from the last 
such announcement with a twitchy send finger.  Or may be I am just the only one 
on top of the Costa Rican Menace. You will never know.

Joking aside, Costa Rica=Palestine all the way through and good luck to all 
mapping Palestine. Apols.

Mike


At 08:20 PM 31/03/2009, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
>wow, Costa Rica? Palestine? both? none?
>I wonder what your map looks like
> 
>cheers
>Lucas
>
>--
>
> 
>There is now a talk-cr - Costa Rica-specific topics and discussion mailing 
>list available.  Thank you to Mikel Maron for initiating and hosting this 
>forum.
>
>For details on how to subscribe to this and other country, language, and 
>topic-specific OSM mailing lists, see
>
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mailing_lists
>
>For details about OSM activity in Palestine:
>
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Palestine
>
>About Costa Rica:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine
>
>Mike 
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Re: [OSM-talk] drat of proposal

[Andy Deakin]

Hi,

You could investigate the Map24 MGI (e.g. [1]) information in case it 
stimulates any further thoughts. (there are lost of other documents on 
the navteq developer site, just search for MapTP MGI). I'm not condoning 
copying their api!

Of particular interest, they allow markers, polylines etc to be added to 
the static map. Also, each map has a 'session', so that you can simply 
request to move north, and all the other features which you just 
requested on the map will still be visible if you pass that session key.
Using a session also allows very long GET requests because in theory the 
requests could be split up.

Also, they allow soap requests. Is this something worth considering?

Finally, It is sometimes useful to get back information with the image 
about its location. (e.g. lat,lon of top left and bottom right, and 
zoom, or meters per pixel etc) so that another layer could be overlaid, 
or extra markers placed on top with another script etc. Could this data 
be set in headers, or if sessions are supported with another request.

Andy

[1] http://developer.navteq.com/getDocument.do?docId=3457


Paweł Niechoda wrote:
> Hi OSM community
>
> I am participating in Google SoC 2009 and now I am working on proposal for
> one of OSM projects: Static Maps Api - 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Applications_2009#Static_Maps_API
>
> I wrote down draft of application: 
> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=df2wg5ch_30htttnwf3&hl=en 
> 
> Please look at it and comment it. I would be grateful for any feedback.
>
> Paweł Niechoda
> 
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[OSM-talk] drat of proposal

[Paweł Niechoda]

Hi OSM community

I am participating in Google SoC 2009 and now I am working on proposal for
one of OSM projects: Static Maps Api -
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Applications_2009#Static_Maps_API

I wrote down draft of application:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=df2wg5ch_30htttnwf3&hl=en
Please look at it and comment it. I would be grateful for any feedback.

Paweł Niechoda
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Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-ph] request for assistance to import Philippine data from PAFID

[Mike Collinson]

This sounds like a wonderful resource both for what it gives OSM and for OSM to 
give back. Thanks Maning! 

Can you confirm the exact nature of the data?  There is one ESRI Shapefile per 
original map sheet per data type (rivers, roads, ...)?  And the Cartalinks 
vectors (sorry I am not familiar with this) is the same data but in a different 
format?

Mike

PS To quote from the wiki page for the benefit of the general talk list:

"PAFID is a non-profit organization providing mapping services to Indigenous 
Peoples in the Philippines through collaborative efforts like participatory and 
resource mapping as a tool for asserting Indigenous Peoples rights to resources 
and ancestral domain. The institution maintains comprehensive datasets of 
various topographic features of IP lands. These data includes topographic 
features such as roads, rivers, contour elevation, community resources, 
ancestral domain boundaries. "



At 04:40 PM 31/03/2009, Maning Sambale wrote:
>hi,
>
>PAFID gave OSM Philippines permission to import it's geodata mainly of
>topographic features based on digitized 1:50K topomaps of the country.
>
>The coverage are the mountainous and rural areas of the country where no
>satellite image or GPS maybe available.
>
>Approximately 179 toposheets are available or roughly 18% of the entire
>1:50K toposheets of the whole country.
>
>I am currently collecting ideas on how we can add the data to OSM here:
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Data_import/pafid_data
>
>To date, this is one the biggest data import we will do for the
>Philippines and will cover much of the unmapped areas.
>
>Please share your insights on how we can implement the import.  I am
>hopeful that the success of this import would pave the way for many
>geodata silos in the Philippine to donate data to OSM.
>
>-- 
>cheers,
>maning



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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database rights and who has them

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

Brian Quinion wrote:
> My impression is that it might have implications for whether database
> rights apply to OSM data and who owns that protection since it
> suggests:

[...]

Interesting points. I guess ODbL tries to somehow override the cases 
where database rights do not arise by saying "well then we have a contract".

> 'Remember that a database can attract copyright as well as database
> rights. The reduction in the scope of protection under database rights
> may mean that the makers of databases seek to rely more on copyright
> in order to protect their investment.'

Copyright, in connection with databases, never means copyright on the 
contents, just a copyright on the layout, structure, or modes of access 
to the database. I don't think there is a lot of copyrightable material 
like that in OSM, and if it were, then the copyright owners would 
neither be OSMF nor the mappers, but the individuals who have designed 
the database.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Connecting tags using array syntax

[Candid Dauth]

Hi there,

> Are you aware of
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_access_tags
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_conditions_for_access_tags
> (single tag per restriction, using almighty colons ;-))
>
> or the alternative proposal
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Access_restrictions
> (using relations as tag bundles -- page is still a bit messy)
>
> which both deal with complex restrictions?

I wasn’t aware of them, probably because I was looking for a general
concept for restrictions, and the titles of these pages only talk
about _access_ restrictions. The third link seems to be what I was
looking for, a page where all suggested solutions are (planned to be)
presented and discussed (like the „Linienbündel“ page). Interestingly,
on the discussion page of second link, the array syntax is also
mentioned, along with some other interesting proposals. I see that a
lot of discussion has already been done, but it seems to me that no
one has really collected the results on the Wiki yet.

> Array syntax or similar options have indeed been discussed, too, e.g.
> over there:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Germany/Workshops/Linienbündel
> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13730#p13730
> (German wiki/forum)

I knew the „Linienbündel“ page, it was actually what I was talking
about when I mentioned using relations for pavements.

> Imo, all of these cases could be solved by using individual objects,
> most notably relations. Some of them can alternatively be solved by
> other means (such as conditional tagging). Your array syntax simply
> seems to be a method of creating "virtual" objects and could be
> considered a workaround for the poor relation support in present
> editors. It's not inherently superior to individual objects, though.

I see my proposal as a way of conditional tagging that doesn’t mix up
the meaning of key and value and that doesn’t need a change of the
current tagging behaviour (in contrast to other solutions). You could
in fact see it as a workaround for the fact that grouping tags is not
possible (which in my opinion is a good thing, but editors could
display indexed tags as if they were grouped), but I don’t think that
a better relation support could solve problems with tagging
complicated restrictions.



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[OSM-talk] Hard Mapping / Roller coaster Log

[Kinya Inoue]

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ikiya/traces/346271

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9tw89LwNH4A/SdNnRbRmGxI/BAw/oPlF9yrKNE4/s1600-h/jc0904.jpg

Enjoy,

Ikiya

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Re: [OSM-talk] GSOC 2009

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Wednesday 01 April 2009 17:35:52 Ishan Keshri wrote:
> Right now i have only the idea & interfaces design in my mind.Not a clear
> image of how to implement them.
> Kindly reply as soon as possible..

have you contributed to the OSM map in your area?
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[OSM-talk] GSOC 2009

[Ishan Keshri]

 Hi,this is ishan from india.I m quite intersted in your
projects...especially due to the fact that it is related to maps.i am in
second year undergraduate couse in Information technology under computer
science departmentI havent studied much on data structures &
algorithms.but still i can think I can contribute to two of ur
projects
I always loved the concept of maps.I still remember when I was
submitting my
my software exhibition on maps,I was not allowed to do so because there are
a number of copyright issues attached with it..
the 2 projects I was talking about are:
1.ROLL YOUR OSM DERIVATIVE
2.user friendly web content to browse map content
Its written to devote at least 40 hours per weekfor almost a period of
80 days...which is equivalent to 460 hoursthis period is enough to work
on a projectIt will take almost 10 days to learn the algorithms needed
to do so..& the remaining period can be devoted to the project
What is the selection criteria & prerequisite to apply for the above
mentioned projects?
I am doing undergraduate course in Information Technology.I have a
command on C++,, Java & doing python & php.
Should i submit my proposal at soc site?
Right now i have only the idea & interfaces design in my mind.Not a clear
image of how to implement them.
Kindly reply as soon as possible..
ishan
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM April Fools

[Simone Cortesi]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Igor%20Shubovych/diary/5772
> http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=459
> http://fakestevec.blogspot.com/2009/04/new-ceo-appointed.html
> http://blog.shaunmcdonald.me.uk/2009/04/the-crap-o-surface-detector/

the italian one:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=it&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.openstreetmap.it%2F%3Fp%3D232&sl=it&tl=en

or in its original version: http://blog.openstreetmap.it/?p=232

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[OSM-legal-talk] Database rights and who has them

[Brian Quinion]

Hi,

I came across the following while looking for something else.  It
regards the interpretation of database rights in a case between
William Hill and Fixtures Marketing.  Article here:

http://www.out-law.com/page-5698

My impression is that it might have implications for whether database
rights apply to OSM data and who owns that protection since it
suggests:

1) Investment in actually creating data which forms part of a database
will not automatically result in a database right. Organisations
creating data must make separate investment in the organisation and
arrangement of the database itself in order to gain protection.

Are individuals compiling data or creating it?  Traces / drawing roads
are probably creating data.  Collecting road names might be compiling
data, but I'm far from certain.

2) Database rights only arise where the maker of the database has
invested substantially in obtaining or verifying data from independent
sources.

Has OSM Foundation (the other alternative for the database rights
owner?) invested enough effort in obtaining and verifying the data
from database rights to apply?  Contributors are unpaid volunteers,
independent from OSMF so maybe their time doesn't count in which case
the only applicable effort is the server hosting.  Is that enough?
There is very little (if any) verification going on from OSMF itself.

I'm sure this has been investigated and considered by the relevant
lawyers but it seemed worth mentioning.  The final suggestion in the
article that:

'Remember that a database can attract copyright as well as database
rights. The reduction in the scope of protection under database rights
may mean that the makers of databases seek to rely more on copyright
in order to protect their investment.'

Has a certain comedy element to it given the current license change!

Cheers,
--
 Brian

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[OSM-talk] OSM April Fools

[Richard Fairhurst]

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Igor%20Shubovych/diary/5772
http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=459
http://fakestevec.blogspot.com/2009/04/new-ceo-appointed.html
http://blog.shaunmcdonald.me.uk/2009/04/the-crap-o-surface-detector/

cheers
Richard


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Re: [OSM-talk] Connecting tags using array syntax

[Tobias Knerr]

Candid Dauth schrieb:
> The problem I am seeing is that there seems to be no way to define a 
> relationship between single tags of a way or a node.
> 
> 1. Different things in one node or area have different opening hours.

These should simply be individual objects, imo. For example, buildings
should be mapped in a more detailled way, with building outline and the
shops in them being separated. There have been proposals for a building
relation to unambiguously associate those objects.

Even if you don't map buildings at that level of detail yet, using a
bunch of nodes works for most applications.

> 2. A restriction only applies for a specified class of vehicles.
> 3. A restriction only applies in one direction of the way.
> 4. A combination of the above.

Are you aware of
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_access_tags
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_conditions_for_access_tags
(single tag per restriction, using almighty colons ;-))

or the alternative proposal
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Access_restrictions
(using relations as tag bundles -- page is still a bit messy)

which both deal with complex restrictions?

Array syntax or similar options have indeed been discussed, too, e.g.
over there:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Germany/Workshops/Linienbündel
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13730#p13730
(German wiki/forum)

> 5. A road has a pavement on both sides, but the pavements have different 
> surfaces.

That's the one case where I think your solution might indeed be better
than what has been proposed so far, especially the footway:left
"solution" that cannot handle anything but the most simple cases.

Again, however, the use of individual objects is likely preferable. It's
sometimes necessary anyway (actually modelling complicated junctions)
and could be sufficiently convenient with a bit of editor magic (moving
all lanes in a lane group together, for example).

See also: draft for way+relation based mapping (possibly too complex
because of the option to use relations for lanes):
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lane_and_lane_group

> I think this could solve a whole bunch of problems, in fact it is the only 
> way I can think of that can solve some of the cases I mentioned above.

Imo, all of these cases could be solved by using individual objects,
most notably relations. Some of them can alternatively be solved by
other means (such as conditional tagging). Your array syntax simply
seems to be a method of creating "virtual" objects and could be
considered a workaround for the poor relation support in present
editors. It's not inherently superior to individual objects, though.

Tobias Knerr

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Re: [OSM-talk] UKUUG : Suggestions

[Ciarán Mooney]

Hi,

> I had one of the organisers ask me on Saturday at GLLUG, as they were
> wanting a mapping track.

Great. Makes sense to work together then.

> Have all the house numbers been added?

Erm. No. But the conference will be based in the City centre. Unless
we are willing to take groups out into the closer suburbs this is
unlikely.

> How about a check the data mapping party? Or find something that has
> changed since it was last mapped?

Off the top of my head I don't know of any major developments in the
Birmingham area. I can imagine that "checking the data" would be
slightly tedious for those not already involved.

> How far afield do people come from to go to this event?

It's a UK wide event. However the venue moves around the country, so
we may only get Midlands based members.

> A hack day to make it easier to edit the data?

That could be very possible. What kind of features would we want?

Ciarán

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