[OSM-talk] Duplicate place=city capital=yes and other place nodes
I don't know if this has been noted previously but there seem to be a lot of recent duplicate place= nodes in the database from different users: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/27564988 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/435916947 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/428339584 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/265958490 Then there were a lot of duplicate place=country nodes by user balrog-kun, but these seem to be mostly cleaned up now: 249399354 | Ísland | country 424314784 | Ísland | country 424312027 | Ísland | country 424298323 | Ísland | country 424317955 | Ísland | country 432425001 | Ísland | country ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Cheap Recorder]
*Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Does the BT757 connect to your phone then? What does it use the phone for? Thanks! * On 24/07/2009 03:23, John Smith wrote: --- On Thu, 23/7/09, Tristan Thomas wrote: I'm looking for the cheapest tracker possible really, probably off eBay(UK). Any recommendations for a bargain? In a car or ? I grabbed a couple of cheap data loggers off ebay(AU), AU$70 inc postage, out of the pair I'd recommend a BT757 the most, seemed to be more sensitive than both a HTC Dream (AKA G1) and the other data logger I picked up GT-730F/L. The BT757 has a solar cell and claims 100+ hours on a single charge + if the cell can see the sun, it also came with a nifty suction cup holder, a car charger and a retractable USB cable. The only down side to this particular model is the 1M of flash, can store about 37,000 GPS points. I've set it up to record points every 10m and it logs at 1Hz. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Cheap Recorder]
--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Tristan Thomas wrote: > Sorry, I'm a bit > confused. Does the > BT757 connect to your phone then? What does it use > the phone for? By 'cell' I meant the solar cell/solar panel it comes with, and has nothing to do with phones, the only time I mentioned a phone was a comparison with the GPS performance. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Cheap Recorder]
Oh, OK, it was just from looking at the product description I got confused! Thanks. On 24/07/2009 10:06, John Smith wrote: --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Tristan Thomas wrote: Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Does the BT757 connect to your phone then? What does it use the phone for? By 'cell' I meant the solar cell/solar panel it comes with, and has nothing to do with phones, the only time I mentioned a phone was a comparison with the GPS performance. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder
El Viernes, 24 de Julio de 2009, Andrew Gregory escribió: > Having said all that, *would* anyone be interested in a ~USD$200 640x480 > geotagging camera and GPS logger? I think I could buy a half-decent smartphone and a bluetooth GPS for *less* than that money. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega Look at what you've created here - it's like nerd-vana! -- Howard Wolowitz (The Big Bang Theory, 2007) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder
Tristan Thomas wrote: > > Hello all, > I've just joined OSM, it's looking really interesting & useful. I have > a question, that I'm sure has been asked before, but I don't where I'm > afraid. If you are looking for a cheap option, you might want to consider getting a GPS receiver without logging and instead hook it up to your mobile phone, in case you have a bluetooth enabled phone. With that you can get reasonable gps receivers from about 10 pounds onwards on ebay. Depending on the software you use on your phone, you can then also use it to display OSM maps, use it for routing or many of the other things you can do with more expensive GPS receivers like the Garmins. There is a wide variety of Software covering pretty much all mobile phones and all sorts of different features. You can find a fairly comprehensive list under http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Software/Mobilephones Kai P.S. This is the receiver I have (not from that seller) and apart from the low battery life of only 8 hours, it is fairly decent. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GPS-4NOW-BLUETOOTH-MOBILE-GPS-SAT-NAV-RECEIVER-SATNAV_W0QQitemZ360164653539QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Mobile_Home_Phones_Bluetooth_Acc_ET?hash=item53db7c79e3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1683|293%3A1|294%3A50 The software I use on my phone is GpsMid ( http://gpsmid.sourceforge.net/ ) > > I'm looking for the cheapest tracker possible really, probably off > eBay(UK). Any recommendations for a bargain? > > Cheers! > > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder
Aha, yes, I think that'll be what I go for, thanks! On 24/07/2009 10:24, Kai Krueger wrote: Tristan Thomas wrote: Hello all, I've just joined OSM, it's looking really interesting& useful. I have a question, that I'm sure has been asked before, but I don't where I'm afraid. If you are looking for a cheap option, you might want to consider getting a GPS receiver without logging and instead hook it up to your mobile phone, in case you have a bluetooth enabled phone. With that you can get reasonable gps receivers from about 10 pounds onwards on ebay. Depending on the software you use on your phone, you can then also use it to display OSM maps, use it for routing or many of the other things you can do with more expensive GPS receivers like the Garmins. There is a wide variety of Software covering pretty much all mobile phones and all sorts of different features. You can find a fairly comprehensive list under http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Software/Mobilephones Kai P.S. This is the receiver I have (not from that seller) and apart from the low battery life of only 8 hours, it is fairly decent. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GPS-4NOW-BLUETOOTH-MOBILE-GPS-SAT-NAV-RECEIVER-SATNAV_W0QQitemZ360164653539QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Mobile_Home_Phones_Bluetooth_Acc_ET?hash=item53db7c79e3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1683|293%3A1|294%3A50 The software I use on my phone is GpsMid ( http://gpsmid.sourceforge.net/ ) I'm looking for the cheapest tracker possible really, probably off eBay(UK). Any recommendations for a bargain? Cheers! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > El Viernes, 24 de Julio de 2009, Andrew Gregory escribió: >> Having said all that, *would* anyone be interested in a ~USD$200 640x480 >> geotagging camera and GPS logger? > > I think I could buy a half-decent smartphone and a bluetooth GPS for *less* > than that money. Or a mobile phone with built-in GPS. The cheapest I can find in the Netherlands is a Nokia N78 with GPS (TI GPS5300) and 3.1 MP camera for 200 (that is bare phone price, no subscription rate). There are loads of phones in the 200 - 250 pricerange, probably all with a camera. Usually, getting a phone together with a subscription means getting the phone for little or no money at all. I have no idea how good the GPS receivers on mobile phones are, but if that is the pricerange a homebuilt camera/logger has to go for, I'd opt for a mobile phone instead. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder
--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Maarten Deen wrote: > I have no idea how good the GPS receivers on mobile phones > are, but if that is I've played with several GPS enabled mobile phones, mostly BB's and the G1, but they are pretty good in most cases. There is also A-GPS enabled phones too, and they would work indoors, in tunnels etc, and then you have phones that do both. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder
I've been very impressed by the GPS performance of both my Nokia N96 and the Openmoko FreeRunner [1], and would certainly recommend that people think GPS if they're getting a new phone. Battery life suffers on both, of course, so you're not going to be logging as much as you can with a dedicated unit. Having said that, I've got a full day's logging out of both without any issue. Cheers, Joseph [1] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/10 2009/7/24 John Smith : > > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Maarten Deen wrote: > >> I have no idea how good the GPS receivers on mobile phones >> are, but if that is > > I've played with several GPS enabled mobile phones, mostly BB's and the G1, > but they are pretty good in most cases. There is also A-GPS enabled phones > too, and they would work indoors, in tunnels etc, and then you have phones > that do both. > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder
--- On Fri, 24/7/09, Joseph Reeves wrote: > people think GPS if they're getting a new phone. Battery > life suffers > on both, of course, so you're not going to be logging as You can get after market batteries for some/most? phones that have increased capacity. You can also get some external batteries that will charge phones etc some even have solar panels. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate place=city capital=yes and other place nodes
Yes, i also encountered them. There seem to be many broken imports of various country names, creating new nodes instead of updating existing ones: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1558061 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1558170 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1558184 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1725949 (notice "v1" at all nodes in all of the above changesets!) Some of them seem ok though: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1558224 Stefan On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > I don't know if this has been noted previously but there seem to be a > lot of recent duplicate place= nodes in the database from different > users: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/27564988 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/435916947 > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/428339584 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/265958490 > > Then there were a lot of duplicate place=country nodes by user > balrog-kun, but these seem to be mostly cleaned up now: > > 249399354 | Ísland | country > 424314784 | Ísland | country > 424312027 | Ísland | country > 424298323 | Ísland | country > 424317955 | Ísland | country > 432425001 | Ísland | country > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder
Yes you're right, some spare batteries for the Nokia would be a good idea; I've got a stack for the Openmoko that are pretty useful. I have a flexible solar panel on my desk that we had been trialling with a number of mobile devices, although I managed to break it (and my boss another)... Still, it would have been good to strap to the outside of a backpack and use for a day of cycling / logging in the sunshine. Cheers, Joseph 2009/7/24 John Smith : > > > > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Joseph Reeves wrote: > >> people think GPS if they're getting a new phone. Battery >> life suffers >> on both, of course, so you're not going to be logging as > > You can get after market batteries for some/most? phones that have increased > capacity. > > You can also get some external batteries that will charge phones etc some > even have solar panels. > > > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate place=city capital=yes and other place nodes
2009/7/24 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason : > I don't know if this has been noted previously but there seem to be a > lot of recent duplicate place= nodes in the database from different > users: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/27564988 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/435916947 > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/428339584 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/265958490 > > Then there were a lot of duplicate place=country nodes by user > balrog-kun, but these seem to be mostly cleaned up now: I was updating wikipedia= and other tags and found each country=place node had 6 copies, usually five of them by user Baruch, differing only in name:ar= and name:he. I merged them into 1 usually so you'll see 5 of them deleted, all with last editing user set to me (balrog-kun). Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate place=city capital=yes and other place nodes
2009/7/24 andrzej zaborowski : > I was updating wikipedia= and other tags and found each country=place > node had 6 copies, usually five of them by user Baruch, differing only > in name:ar= and name:he=. I merged them into 1 usually so you'll see 5 > of them deleted, all with last editing user set to me (balrog-kun). While doing this I found that at least one country was completely missing (Montenegro) and couldn't find any sane way to check what happened to the node or whether there had never been any (unlikely). Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder
Why don't you put one of those dynamos on the bike, go old skool. Jack On Jul 24, 2009 1:41 PM, "Joseph Reeves" wrote: Yes you're right, some spare batteries for the Nokia would be a good idea; I've got a stack for the Openmoko that are pretty useful. I have a flexible solar panel on my desk that we had been trialling with a number of mobile devices, although I managed to break it (and my boss another)... Still, it would have been good to strap to the outside of a backpack and use for a day of cycling / logging in the sunshine. Cheers, Joseph 2009/7/24 John Smith : > > > > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Joseph Reeves wrote: > >> people think GPS if they're... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder
I'm not fit enough to move my bike _and_ power a phone ;-) 2009/7/24 Jack Stringer : > Why don't you put one of those dynamos on the bike, go old skool. > > Jack > > On Jul 24, 2009 1:41 PM, "Joseph Reeves" wrote: > > Yes you're right, some spare batteries for the Nokia would be a good > idea; I've got a stack for the Openmoko that are pretty useful. > > I have a flexible solar panel on my desk that we had been trialling > with a number of mobile devices, although I managed to break it (and > my boss another)... Still, it would have been good to strap to the > outside of a backpack and use for a day of cycling / logging in the > sunshine. > > Cheers, Joseph > > 2009/7/24 John Smith : > > > > >> --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Joseph Reeves wrote: > >> >> people think GPS if they're... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate place=city capital=yes and other place nodes
It looks like many of these dupes are being cleaned up by user Mala http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mala/edits Thanks Mala, as I was the cause of at least one set of those bad imports! This was an import of Arabic placenames globally, in a changeset pushed through the bulk_upload.py. bulk_upload.py seems to support modify and delete, but in my experience (obviously!) not. Can anyone confirm that bulk_upload.py does work .. and then perhaps I can determine what I've been doing wrong. I'm not the only one, as you'll see that other dup country changesets have used bulk_upload.py as well. -Mikel From: Stefan Baebler To: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason Cc: openstreetmap Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 5:04:25 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate place=city capital=yes and other place nodes Yes, i also encountered them. There seem to be many broken imports of various country names, creating new nodes instead of updating existing ones: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1558061 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1558170 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1558184 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1725949 (notice "v1" at all nodes in all of the above changesets!) Some of them seem ok though: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1558224 Stefan On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > I don't know if this has been noted previously but there seem to be a > lot of recent duplicate place= nodes in the database from different > users: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/27564988 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/435916947 > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/428339584 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/265958490 > > Then there were a lot of duplicate place=country nodes by user > balrog-kun, but these seem to be mostly cleaned up now: > > 249399354 | Ísland | country > 424314784 | Ísland | country > 424312027 | Ísland | country > 424298323 | Ísland | country > 424317955 | Ísland | country > 432425001 | Ísland | country > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] i18n-rich areas on the map
From: Shaun McDonald > On 23 Jul 2009, at 09:17, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:34 PM, 80n<80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ti...@home uses this technique of a basemap with no captions and a text > >> layer for lowzoom tiles (z1 through z6) . Currently they are combined on > >> the server to create a composite image using some GD library I think. This > >> seems to works very well and avoids duplicating the most compute intensive > >> part of generating a map tile. > > > > Yeah it would be neat to render a captionless layer in mapnik and then > > overlay text on it. > > > > Can mapnik support that? I'd have thought adding any sort of text to > > the map might have implications for the rendering itself. > > > > The problem is being able to do the text collision avoidance stuff against > non-text features, hence why it's not been done before. > How problematic would this be really? The captionless layer could simply orient against the default text, and the localised renderings just did the best they could against that. If text wasn't placed perfectly, well it's less than ideal, but at least we'd have localised tiles! Could this work? I'm simply trying to find a way to localise tiles on osm.org, in a resourceful way! Seems like many people are positive on this. Are there any other ideas for how to set up a localised tile infrastructure? Mikel___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] i18n-rich areas on the map
From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Stefan Baebler > wrote: > > Are there any further plans to translate the maps based on wikipedia data? > > Would that various names be better imported into main OSM db or just > > into the DB for rendering? > > Will this translation be done based only on language links in existing > > articles or also based on lists of exonyms [1], which would cover also > > places without wikipedia articles? > > I hadn't planned on doing any sort of automagic OSM <-> Wikipedia > integration for getting i18n names, no. > > But if you're interested in working on it that's great. It's just a > regular open source project a few of us are working on as hobby, so > any current plans are just the union of the ideas people are currently > interested in working on. There's a huge community of translators on the web. OpenStreetMap can work with them directly. Wikipedia, Global Voices, Meedan, and many more working on content. Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenOffice, and many many more working on software. Just a few weeks before SotM, the Open Translation Tools conference was held in Amsterdam :) (http://www.aspirationtech.org/events/opentranslation/2009) Translators are used to a certain kind of interface, typically lists of phrases to translate. We can build an interface more welcoming for translators, and tap into this huge community. They want to simply translate, not add new data to the map .. and as OSM grows, we're going to need to offer multiple interfaces to appeal to different types of contributors What I envision is a simple app, with a slippy map. Zoom/pan to the area of interest, select the types of things you want to translate, and submit. The app generates a list, with the name of the object, the localised names in the languages you're interested in, and a small inset static map for reference. Add your translations, submit. The app gets authorization through OAuth, and submits your changeset. Anyone interested in helping build this kind of app? Any other ideas? Let's do it! -Mikel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
