Re: [OSM-talk] ANNOUNCEMENT: maxspeed map

2010-03-28 Thread Florian Lohoff 
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 07:34:35AM +1000, Roy Wallace wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Florian Lohoff  wrote:
> >
> > I never sent an announcement here so i think its time do so. I have built
> > a maxspeed map - visualizing the max speed for highways.
> 
> Nice! Can you please provide a link to a key/legend? It would be nice
> to know what "green" means, what "blue" means, etc.

When you zoom in further you should see signs pop up which show the
actual speed ...

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-br] Wikimapa what is it?

2010-03-28 Thread John Smith 
On 29 March 2010 14:45, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason  wrote:
> This is the first link on their front page:
> http://www.youmap.eu/?page=PrjHome&prj=91&mid=432

Sorry, I thought you were talking about wikimapa.org.br :)

The problem with this sort of content at present is the ideology of
those making editors where they display everything all the time.

Another solution is something like OSM Bugs which has a separate
database, but the data can still be pulled into OSM editors.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-br] Wikimapa what is it?

2010-03-28 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 03:33, John Smith  wrote:
> I had a quick glance and couldn't figure out their site, it wasn't
> dragable so I lost interest pretty quickly, but can you give an
> example?

This is the first link on their front page:
http://www.youmap.eu/?page=PrjHome&prj=91&mid=432

Page through the "Public projects" sidebar for more examples.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-br] Wikimapa what is it?

2010-03-28 Thread John Smith 
On 29 March 2010 13:14, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason  wrote:
> Personally I don't care what data you put in the DB as long as you're
> maintaining it and it doesn't disrupt anything else unreasonably.

And as long as it's verifiable to others...

> 1. a cursory glance at their data reveals that they're mapping things
> that aren't "on the ground".

I had a quick glance and couldn't figure out their site, it wasn't
dragable so I lost interest pretty quickly, but can you give an
example?

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-br] Wikimapa what is it?

2010-03-28 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 23:45, Martin Koppenhoefer
 wrote:
> by the way: there is also similar (?) projects going on in Europe.
> Have you heard about youmap?
> http://www.youmap.eu/
>
> I wrote to them proposing OSM instead of G-maps.

This map is mapping exactly the sort of thing that would spawn a
100-reply thread on osm-talk from the old guard saying we shouldn't be
mapping things like that[1].

Either we're going to have to be more open to projects like that or
accept that they won't use OSM or contribute to it.

Personally I don't care what data you put in the DB as long as you're
maintaining it and it doesn't disrupt anything else unreasonably.

1. a cursory glance at their data reveals that they're mapping things
that aren't "on the ground".

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-br] Wikimapa what is it?

2010-03-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 
2010/3/29 Arlindo Pereira :
> Yeah, I've tried to "sell" OSM for them, but they didn't care, they've
> written a project as a NGO, ...


by the way: there is also similar (?) projects going on in Europe.
Have you heard about youmap?
http://www.youmap.eu/

I wrote to them proposing OSM instead of G-maps.

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary relation with >5000 members?

2010-03-28 Thread sylvain letuffe 
Le dimanche 28 mars 2010 23:38:19, vous avez écrit :
> sylvain letuffe wrote:
> > - you reach easily the API max members limit
> 
> There is no such limit (yet).

My mistake, I mixed up nodes per way limit and relation members
http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/capabilities

But after trying to create a 6000 members test relation, I can confirm 
managing/uploading it with josm is a bit hard and long process.


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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-br] Wikimapa what is it?

2010-03-28 Thread Arlindo Pereira 
Yeah, I've tried to "sell" OSM for them, but they didn't care, they've
written a project as a NGO, got a lot of money, and hired a programmer to do
a poor Google Maps mashup. Claudomiro even flew from São Paulo to Rio de
Janeiro to have a meeting with them, but they didn't cared much. Maybe we'll
have more luck as a foundation chapter, I don't know.

They, however, give me the permission to copy the POIs they've managed to
get with N95 cellphones (the tracks are useless IMHO), that's how I came up
with this Cidade de Deus (City of God) map: http://osm.org/go/OVcZ0uwG

Cheers

2010/3/28 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior 

> Me and Arlindo had talks with then last year to bring then to OSM and to
> help then build "Real" maps - for now, then have only collected POIs that
> appear without any context on Google Maps. But it seems that they where not
> really interested on this cooperation.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Aun Johnsen wrote:
>
>> It seems like there are many similar initiatives in Brazil. For some
>> reason the words of OSM havn't been spread enough, and many
>> similar-but-not-the-same projects have popped up.
>>
>> Often when entering contact with such "competing" projects, they
>> either havn't heard about OSM, or thought OSM as "just another
>> initiative" when starting. Many of these projects have also only a
>> small community, or focus only on a relatively small geographical
>> area.
>>
>> The Brazilian community on OSM is not very large, and we might need
>> some more help on how to spread the word in order to merge with some
>> of these projects, many of them have compatible terms with OSM, so a
>> complete merge of databases should be just a matter of getting the
>> content in the right formats.
>>
>> -A[]
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Christian Rogel
>>  wrote:
>> > Some information here :
>> >
>> > http://gislounge.com/mapping-via-cell-phone-in-brazil/
>> >
>> > Christian
>> >
>> >
>> > Stefan de Konink a e'crit :
>> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> >> Hash: SHA512
>> >>
>> >> http://wikimapa.org.br/
>> >>
>> >> Just on CNN, could someone tell something about it?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Stefan
>> >
>> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] ANNOUNCEMENT: maxspeed map

2010-03-28 Thread Claudius 
Am 28.03.2010 23:34, Roy Wallace:
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Florian Lohoff  wrote:
>>
>> I never sent an announcement here so i think its time do so. I have built
>> a maxspeed map - visualizing the max speed for highways.
>
> Nice! Can you please provide a link to a key/legend? It would be nice
> to know what "green" means, what "blue" means, etc.

Zoom in closer to see the actual limit signs on the colored ways.

Claudius


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Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary relation with >5000 members?

2010-03-28 Thread Lennard 
sylvain letuffe wrote:

> - you reach easily the API max members limit

There is no such limit (yet).

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Re: [OSM-talk] ANNOUNCEMENT: maxspeed map

2010-03-28 Thread Roy Wallace 
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Florian Lohoff  wrote:
>
> I never sent an announcement here so i think its time do so. I have built
> a maxspeed map - visualizing the max speed for highways.

Nice! Can you please provide a link to a key/legend? It would be nice
to know what "green" means, what "blue" means, etc.

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Re: [OSM-talk] ANNOUNCEMENT: maxspeed map

2010-03-28 Thread Claudius 
Am 28.03.2010 18:44, Florian Lohoff:
>
> I never sent an announcement here so i think its time do so. I have built
> a maxspeed map - visualizing the max speed for highways.
>
> (..)
> This is why you see the Admin boundary hierarchie at the bottom - thats 
> something
> i am thinking of using to "localize" the visualization of signs and/or warn
> about "mph" as the speed unit ...

Why does your script not show the administrative hierarchy for Iran? 
http://maxspeed.osm.lab.rfc822.org/?zoom=7&lat=33.85578&lon=53.62819&layers=B0T&input=maxspeed

There's one national boundary relation: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/304938

...and several for the provinces like that: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/229958

Did I do sth. wrong when entering them?

Claudius


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Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary relation with >5000 members?

2010-03-28 Thread sylvain letuffe 

Hi,


Julio Costa Zambelli wrote:
> 
> It seams reasonable to surround the pieces of land under some local
> government jurisdiction  (...)
> 

I do agree with you. In France, we even created a relation to represent land
boundaries and another one  with territorial waters.


Julio Costa Zambelli wrote:
> 
> If it is not the "right" way to do it or there is a better way to do it,
> please let me know.
> 

I think the idea is ok in concept, however it faces a few technical problems
:
- you reach easily the API max members limit
(Raising it is not an option for performance reasons)
- Even manipulation of such relations under 2000 members is a hard work with
traditional editors

Here are my views on an hypotetical solution :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/boundary_segment

And what we did in france :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/France_boundary_pyramidal_construction


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Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary relation with >5000 members?

2010-03-28 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli 
Dear Florian,

The Region of Aysén del General Carlos Ibañez del Campo in the Chilean
Patagonia is composed by hundreds of Islands and fjords, and each one of
them is being included inside the region boundaries (
http://osm.org/go/JdvTx--).

It seams reasonable to surround the pieces of land under some local
government jurisdiction if the sea around them is under some central or
federal government jurisdiction (that is why the sea boundaries only include
the Chile relation). Regional and municipal jurisdictions only reach to the
coastlines, from there to the territorial, contiguous and exclusive economic
zone sea boundary lines the navy is in charge of providing security and
enforce the law.

Some examples of coastline boundaries that I found in Europe:
http://osm.org/go/xVvgL5p-- http://osm.org/go/xX2ApwZz-
http://osm.org/go/eq...@o-

If it is not the "right" way to do it or there is a better way to do it,
please let me know.

Regards,

Julio Costa
OpenStreetMap Chile
http://www.openstreetmap.cl/


On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Florian Lohoff  wrote:

>
> Hi,
> i put together all boundary relations in the Database and got to this:
>
> osm=# select * from relation_tags where relation_id = 305693;
>  relation_id |  k  |  v
>
> -+-+-
>  305693 | admin_level | 4
>  305693 | boundary| administrative
>  305693 | name| XI Región Aysén del General Carlos Ibáñez del
> Campo
>  305693 | type| boundary
> (4 rows)
>
> osm=# select count(member_id) from relation_members where relation_id =
> 305693;
>  count
> ---
>  5524
> (1 row)
>
> I havent looked at it very closely - but 5000 members in a boundary
> relations
> sounds very much broken ...
>
> It is be far leading the boundary relation member highscorer:
>
>  relation_id | count
> -+---
>  305693 |  5524
>  301542 |  4442
>  102039 |   981
>  356911 |   836
>  357113 |   772
>   94354 |   764
>   51477 |   686
>  166570 |   668
>  349004 |   660
>  391132 |   656
>  102740 |   651
>   90162 |   648
>   51684 |   631
>   89072 |   608
>  442397 |   579
>
> Flo
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[OSM-talk] ANNOUNCEMENT: maxspeed map

2010-03-28 Thread Florian Lohoff 

I never sent an announcement here so i think its time do so. I have built
a maxspeed map - visualizing the max speed for highways. This map exists
for over a year for Germany only, but now that i got more Hardware i am
be able to provide it globally.

Nevertheless - the map visualizes maxspeed, width, hazmat, maxweight,
maxheight, hgv, goods, lit and smoothness.

There is probably a bug with "XXmph" type of speeds which will currently
be warned about - sorry for the non-metric for now - i'll fix it
somehow ...

Also there are signs shown for hgv=destination which is very German centric.
This is why you see the Admin boundary hierarchie at the bottom - thats 
something
i am thinking of using to "localize" the visualization of signs and/or warn
about "mph" as the speed unit ... 

Here is the link:

http://maxspeed.osm.lab.rfc822.org

Please also relay to the local mailinglists.

Flo
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Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary relation with >5000 members?

2010-03-28 Thread Cartinus 
On Sunday 28 March 2010 17:50:07 Florian Lohoff wrote:
>   305693 | name| XI Región Aysén del General Carlos Ibáñez del
>
> I havent looked at it very closely - but 5000 members in a boundary
> relations sounds very much broken ...

I think that is what you get when people put the coastline into a boundary 
relation: 



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[OSM-talk] Boundary relation with >5000 members?

2010-03-28 Thread Florian Lohoff 

Hi,
i put together all boundary relations in the Database and got to this:

osm=# select * from relation_tags where relation_id = 305693;
 relation_id |  k  |  v 
 
-+-+-
  305693 | admin_level | 4
  305693 | boundary| administrative
  305693 | name| XI Región Aysén del General Carlos Ibáñez del Campo
  305693 | type| boundary
(4 rows)

osm=# select count(member_id) from relation_members where relation_id = 305693;
 count 
---
  5524
(1 row)

I havent looked at it very closely - but 5000 members in a boundary relations
sounds very much broken ...

It is be far leading the boundary relation member highscorer:

 relation_id | count
-+---
  305693 |  5524
  301542 |  4442
  102039 |   981
  356911 |   836
  357113 |   772
   94354 |   764
   51477 |   686
  166570 |   668
  349004 |   660
  391132 |   656
  102740 |   651
   90162 |   648
   51684 |   631
   89072 |   608
  442397 |   579

Flo
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im Internet Zensur- und Überwachungsabsichten zu unterstellen."
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Re: [OSM-talk] Interleaving GPS traces with video?

2010-03-28 Thread Richard Weait 
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Laurence Penney  wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience interleaving GPS traces with video?
>
> Some friends of mine are asking about it in relation to skiing and 
> motor-racing, but one could also imagine it being of use to mappers. Ideally 
> I'd like to look up a "time since start of shot" and find the location. You 
> could also look at such a system as generating ~30 geo-referenced photos per 
> second. Are there any video formats that handle this in one file, or 
> standards for having a GPX alongside a video file?

Photo mapping synchronizes your photos with your gpx track
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Photo_mapping

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Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data

2010-03-28 Thread Roman Neumüller 
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:48:16 +0300,  wrote:

> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 01:17:28 -0430
> From: Richard Weait 
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data
> To: talk@openstreetmap.org, newb...@openstreetmap.org
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> Many of the coastlines in OSM came from an import of the PGS coastline
> data.  It was a fantastic benefit to be able to add this coastline
> data to OSM, and we're better off having had it.  And there are many
> places that have aerial imagery that is now good enough to improve on
> PGS coastlines.  So that is the project of the week for 28 March,
> 2010, check your favorite bit of coastline and improve what you can
> with overhead imagery.
> Those without a favorite bit of unimproved coastline might take a look

I suggest searching the db for

   waterway=coastline AND (note=*rough* OR fixme=*rough*)

- for example coastlines of Indonesia and Vietnam are *really* rough!

Roman

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Re: [OSM-talk] Documentation on Editing Relations

2010-03-28 Thread Graham Jones 
Hi,
Thank you all for your help -  "Download Object" was the fundamental thing I
had missed.

I had kind of hoped that you would just point me to the nice new user
instruction page on the Wiki that I had not spotted.

I'll have a look at improving it, but it is not an insignificant job.   How
about if we divide the basic documentation into chunks (like a mapping
party, but not as good for you), and different people volunteer to update a
different aspect to bring it up to date in terms of software, and "custom
and practice"?   I am happy to co-ordinate, but will struggle to do it all.

I think this would be a big help in encouraging wider participation in the
project.

Could even be a "Project of the Week"?

Regards


Graham.

On 27 March 2010 23:57, Sebastian Klein  wrote:

> Graham Jones wrote:
> > Is there a command line way of adding ways to a relation - for
> > example, rather than doing it by clicking on things, I would quite
> > like to do "add ways to relation  where route="Pennine Way" or
> > name="Pennine Way".
>
> If you have the problem that you cannot download the entire area because
> the route is too long, the XAPI can save your day.
>
> You will need two XAPI requests, one for route=... and one for name=...
> Then you can merge the layers in JOSM.
>
> (Btw. there is an easy way to get the bbox parameters for XAPI requests:
> Select the area in the slippy map of the download dialog. Then go to the
> second tab and simply copy the list of coordinates...)
>
> > Any pointers would be appreciated.  Sorry for being dumb - I must
> > have missed the documentation somewhere?
>
> Why not write some, when you have mastered the high art of
> relations? :)
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