Re: [OSM-talk] Pretty OSM-derived Art Maps

[andrzej zaborowski]

On 7 October 2010 01:57, Richard Weait  wrote:
> I'm not entirely sure what axismaps.com does but it sure seems to
> involve a lot of pretty maps.  This caught my attention when pointed
> out to me by OSM contributor RichardF.
>
> These unique maps of Chicago and Boston accurately depict
> the streets and highways, parks, neighborhoods, coastlines, and
> physical features of the city using nothing but type. Only by manually
> weaving together thousands upon thousands of carefully placed words
> does the full picture of the city emerge. Prints are
> available.
>
> So, Boston and Chicago, but I'm told that San Francisco, New York and
> Washington are in progress, too.
>
> See more pretty maps and wonderful photography of maps on their web site.
>
> http://www.axismaps.com/typographic.php
>
> They have a blog entry describing the process of creating these maps, as well.
>
> http://www.axismaps.com/blog/2010/09/typographic-map-posters/

They're amazing, I specially like the water basins.

From when I was a teenager I remember a music video playing on MTV (I
think) that was made entirely as a "typographic" model of a city in
3D.  I recently tried to find the video or the title / artist but I
couldn't.  My poor imitation of it is what you can maybe call
tag-o-graphic map (http://www.openstreetmap.pl/img/city.jpg) used in
the header of openstreetmap.pl (not in IE).  It could be a fun idea
for a mapnik (or otherwise) map style.

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[OSM-talk] Pretty OSM-derived Art Maps

[Richard Weait]

I'm not entirely sure what axismaps.com does but it sure seems to
involve a lot of pretty maps.  This caught my attention when pointed
out to me by OSM contributor RichardF.

These unique maps of Chicago and Boston accurately depict
the streets and highways, parks, neighborhoods, coastlines, and
physical features of the city using nothing but type. Only by manually
weaving together thousands upon thousands of carefully placed words
does the full picture of the city emerge. Prints are
available.

So, Boston and Chicago, but I'm told that San Francisco, New York and
Washington are in progress, too.

See more pretty maps and wonderful photography of maps on their web site.

http://www.axismaps.com/typographic.php

They have a blog entry describing the process of creating these maps, as well.

http://www.axismaps.com/blog/2010/09/typographic-map-posters/

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[OSM-talk] Doing God's Work / Oliver Kuehn interviews Jack Dangermond

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

   anyone who isn't hooked to the hip & trendy new age information 
fragment services might have missed this - OSMF's Oliver Kuehn 
interviews Jack Dangermond of ESRI about their OSM editor and their 
community map:


http://vimeo.com/15607795

Subject line is a quote from the video.

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Anonymous edits on OpenStreetMap through Tor

[Brendan Morley]

On 7/10/2010 7:57 AM, Emilie Laffray wrote:
On 6 October 2010 22:46, Niklas Cholmkvist > wrote:


Hi,

is anyone contributing to OpenStreetMap by using Tor? (the onion
router)
Is there any opinion from anyone about this? Tor is used to strengthen
ones privacy by the technology trying to prevent revealing the ip
address of the user.


Since the project doesn't log IP Addresses as far as I can tell, there 
is no privacy gain by using TOR.


It will be good to check for sure.  Certainly in my CommonMap project 
it's a different story, I'm using Apache httpd as the web server.  Out 
of the box httpd logs IP addresses in the access_log.  I think OSM is 
also using Apache httpd now as well.  It's likely that the sysadmins 
would almost never use the logging results, but it could still be a 
problem if, say, the hardware got seized for investigation.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Anonymous edits on OpenStreetMap through Tor

[Emilie Laffray]

On 6 October 2010 22:46, Niklas Cholmkvist  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> is anyone contributing to OpenStreetMap by using Tor? (the onion router)
> Is there any opinion from anyone about this? Tor is used to strengthen
> ones privacy by the technology trying to prevent revealing the ip
> address of the user.
>

Since the project doesn't log IP Addresses as far as I can tell, there is no
privacy gain by using TOR.

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[OSM-talk] Anonymous edits on OpenStreetMap through Tor

[Niklas Cholmkvist]

Hi,

is anyone contributing to OpenStreetMap by using Tor? (the onion router)
Is there any opinion from anyone about this? Tor is used to strengthen
ones privacy by the technology trying to prevent revealing the ip
address of the user.

Regards,
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[OSM-talk] Accidentally deleted relations in UK

[Dave F.]

 Hi

In changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5964175

User m902 accidentally deleted the four relations listed. I've had an 
apologetic email from him confirming that.


Could I ask someone with more expertise than me to revert them please.

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Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

[SteveC]

On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Nic Roets wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Stefan de Konink  wrote:
>>> Op 06-10-10 15:12, Nic Roets schreef:
 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC
  wrote:
>  On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote:
>> 
>> http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade
> 
> What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder?
 
 It may remove a conflict of interest problem or two ??
>>> 
>>> He is still shareholder, as is stated in the message. That shows that
>>> there is a potential financial conflict of interest. For example if OSM
>>> switches license, it can be good for Cloudmade or bad for them, he could
>>> defend his own financial position.
> 
> He will definitely be more independent now that he doesn't spend 8
> hours a day in close proximity to the CM employees and he never has
> meetings with their lawyers (see some of the discussions on legal-talk
> in recent months).
> 
>> Y'all have a funny way of demonstrating your warm wishes for his
>> future and presumption of good faith.
> 
> Unlike you, I guess I'm just seeing him and his wife as ordinary
> members of the team (taking into account code written, keynote
> speeches etc). So yes, good luck to him and good luck to anyone else
> on this list changing careers.
> 
> And saying someone has a conflict on interest is not an insult. Nor
> should it lead to automatic exclusion from debates or votes. But it
> should be mentioned.

Thank you for your warm thoughts.

Steve

stevecoast.com


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Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

[Nic Roets]

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Stefan de Konink  wrote:
>> Op 06-10-10 15:12, Nic Roets schreef:
>>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC
>>>  wrote:
  On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote:
>
> http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade

 What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder?
>>>
>>> It may remove a conflict of interest problem or two ??
>>
>> He is still shareholder, as is stated in the message. That shows that
>> there is a potential financial conflict of interest. For example if OSM
>> switches license, it can be good for Cloudmade or bad for them, he could
>> defend his own financial position.

He will definitely be more independent now that he doesn't spend 8
hours a day in close proximity to the CM employees and he never has
meetings with their lawyers (see some of the discussions on legal-talk
in recent months).

> Y'all have a funny way of demonstrating your warm wishes for his
> future and presumption of good faith.

Unlike you, I guess I'm just seeing him and his wife as ordinary
members of the team (taking into account code written, keynote
speeches etc). So yes, good luck to him and good luck to anyone else
on this list changing careers.

And saying someone has a conflict on interest is not an insult. Nor
should it lead to automatic exclusion from debates or votes. But it
should be mentioned.

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[OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

[Nick Hocking]

TimSC wrote,

"What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder?"

I'm hoping that it means that he has more time and more flexability to fight
the OSMTrolls.
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Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

[Richard Weait]

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Stefan de Konink  wrote:
> Op 06-10-10 15:12, Nic Roets schreef:
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC
>>  wrote:
>>>  On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote:

 http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade
>>>
>>> What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder?
>>
>> It may remove a conflict of interest problem or two ??
>
> He is still shareholder, as is stated in the message. That shows that
> there is a potential financial conflict of interest. For example if OSM
> switches license, it can be good for Cloudmade or bad for them, he could
> defend his own financial position.

Y'all have a funny way of demonstrating your warm wishes for his
future and presumption of good faith.

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Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

[Stefan de Konink]

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>>  On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote:
>>>
>>> http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade
>>
>> What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder?
> 
> It may remove a conflict of interest problem or two ??

He is still shareholder, as is stated in the message. That shows that
there is a potential financial conflict of interest. For example if OSM
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Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

[Steve Bennett]

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Nic Roets  wrote:
> But more importantly, it shows to me that the feature curve or novelty
> factor of OSM is flattening out. Once you have efficient rendering,
> searching and routing and the community is no longer growing
> exponentially, it's just hard work to polish everything.

All the more reason I'm so impressed at what Wikipedia is up to these
days. Far from stagnating, they've got a huge number of outreach-type
programs on the boil, pushing out into new countries, coming up with
new ways to improve quality and coverage...

(On the OSM front, the recent announcements of SchemaTroll and Taginfo
are very positive developments...)

Steve

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Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple OSM instances

[80n]

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:45 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote:

> On 5 October 2010 17:37, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Frederik Ramm 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> 80n wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm particularly interested in how it could be made easier for
> >>> contributors to handle the situation.  How will they know which OSM
> they
> >>> should contribute to?
> >>
> >> I'd prefer if you chose the wording: "Which collaborative mapping
> >> platform..." - because there can only be one OSM project.
> >
> > Yes, let's get the terminology right.  That's the kind of thing I'm
> looking
> > for.  How do we make it clear to contributors and users?
>
> How about one OSM project with multiple databases?  In the end it's a
> single osm community building all of the databases anyway.  Part of
> the community wants its data under a new license.  Another part wants
> its data under the old license in case the main database is switched
> entirely to the new license by the first group.  And the biggest group
> doesn't care.  It'd seem unfair if one of the groups gets the
> exclusive right to use the name OSM.
>

Let's put the question a different way.  After the switch there's a CC-BY-SA
licensed planet dump knocking around that contains data that may be useful
to some people.

What can or should the OSM community do to help people who want to use that
data?
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Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

[Nic Roets]

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC
 wrote:
>  On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote:
>>
>> http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade
>
> What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder?

It may remove a conflict of interest problem or two ??

But more importantly, it shows to me that the feature curve or novelty
factor of OSM is flattening out. Once you have efficient rendering,
searching and routing and the community is no longer growing
exponentially, it's just hard work to polish everything.

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Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

[TimSC]

 On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote:

http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade

What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder?

TimSC


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Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple OSM instances

[TimSC]

 On 06/10/10 13:45, andrzej zaborowski wrote:


How about one OSM project with multiple databases?
I raised that possibility with OSMF and others. OSMF did not seem too 
keen. The discussion was here:


http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/strategic/2010-August/date.html

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Forking

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Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple OSM instances

[andrzej zaborowski]

On 5 October 2010 17:37, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 80n wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm particularly interested in how it could be made easier for
>>> contributors to handle the situation.  How will they know which OSM they
>>> should contribute to?
>>
>> I'd prefer if you chose the wording: "Which collaborative mapping
>> platform..." - because there can only be one OSM project.
>
> Yes, let's get the terminology right.  That's the kind of thing I'm looking
> for.  How do we make it clear to contributors and users?

How about one OSM project with multiple databases?  In the end it's a
single osm community building all of the databases anyway.  Part of
the community wants its data under a new license.  Another part wants
its data under the old license in case the main database is switched
entirely to the new license by the first group.  And the biggest group
doesn't care.  It'd seem unfair if one of the groups gets the
exclusive right to use the name OSM.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo

[Steve Bennett]

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> I am happy to announce that the beast is now available at
>
>    http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de

Awesome. If you want to hook into JOSM, Potlatch, Mapnik, Osmarender,
Kosmos, etc, I've done the hard work for you here:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Stevage/tagsupport

(See the talk page for source code)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Driver dies in reservoir after following SatNav

[Nathan Edgars II]

Celso González wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 01:49:04PM +0100, Patrick Weber wrote:
>> Here's another of these stories now common of drivers blindly
>> following their satnav, unfortunately this time, the driver drowned!
>> 
>> http://www.reghardware.com/2010/10/05/satnav_error_man_drowns/
>> 
>> I looked up the place in Google Maps, and low and behold, all the
>> roads pre-reservoir are still there ! Thanks TeleAtlas for not having
>> checked your road network for the last 30 years (the reservoir was
>> built in 1989!)
> 
> Its very common with "new" reservoirs
> 
> http://kcy.me/bka 
> 
Here too:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.3149&lon=-80.9675&zoom=13&layers=M
I'll get to it eventually, but no router will use those roads so it's not a
big deal.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Driver dies in reservoir after following SatNav

[Richard Mann]

Well the good news is that OSM didn't have the old roads through the
reservoir. The bad news is that OSM doesn't have the new bridge over
the reservoir either. Easy enough to fix, if the people willing to
trace from aerial photos for the general good were allowed to use
them. How many people have to die before that happens?

Richard

2010/10/6 Celso González :
> On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 01:49:04PM +0100, Patrick Weber wrote:
>> Here's another of these stories now common of drivers blindly
>> following their satnav, unfortunately this time, the driver drowned!
>>
>> http://www.reghardware.com/2010/10/05/satnav_error_man_drowns/
>>
>> I looked up the place in Google Maps, and low and behold, all the
>> roads pre-reservoir are still there ! Thanks TeleAtlas for not having
>> checked your road network for the last 30 years (the reservoir was
>> built in 1989!)
>
> Its very common with "new" reservoirs
>
> http://kcy.me/bka
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Re: [OSM-talk] Driver dies in reservoir after following SatNav

[Celso González]

On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 01:49:04PM +0100, Patrick Weber wrote:
> Here's another of these stories now common of drivers blindly
> following their satnav, unfortunately this time, the driver drowned!
> 
> http://www.reghardware.com/2010/10/05/satnav_error_man_drowns/
> 
> I looked up the place in Google Maps, and low and behold, all the
> roads pre-reservoir are still there ! Thanks TeleAtlas for not having
> checked your road network for the last 30 years (the reservoir was
> built in 1989!)

Its very common with "new" reservoirs

http://kcy.me/bka 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

Richard Weait wrote:

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier  wrote:

Jochen Topf wrote:

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de

I love it. Do you plan to introduce substring searches with wildcards ? That
would be useful for sifting through key values - for example I wanted to
find all the "source" tags with values containing the substring "GPS".


This already works.

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/source
- click magnifying glass icon at lower left of result window.
- add "gps" and press return


Wonderful - thanks for the tip.

Now a total count for the result returned would be nice.


Feature request.  Could the value search string be included in a link?
 Something like
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/source?gps
for the above?


That would make sharing easier. But maybe the REST API could be used 
instead.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo

[Matt Williams]

On 5 October 2010 15:37, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> For the last months I have been working on a software called Taginfo that
> brings together information about OSM tags from the OSM database, the wiki
> and other places. Somewhat like Tagwatch, Tagstat, and OSMdoc, but more
> ambitious. :-)
>
> I am happy to announce that the beast is now available at
>
>    http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de
>
> There are still some bugs and lots of missing features, but its already
> usable. Updates are currently done manually, but I will do automatic daily
> updates soon.
>
> All the software to run this is Open Source so please go ahead, run your
> own versions and send me patches.
>
> More details and background in my blog entry at:
>
>    http://blog.jochentopf.com/2010-10-05-introducing-taginfo.html
>
> Bug reports and feature ideas welcome.

It seems to be a great tool but the ability to search within tag
values would be nice. For example I wanted to find how I should tag a
supermarket so I type 'supermarket' into the search box. As you can
see [1] the only match it finds is for the _key_ 'supermarket' which
is an extremely uncommon tag with only three uses [2]. Now, since I
know that really the tag to use is shop=supermarket I searched for
shop [3] and as it turns out, supermarket is the most common value for
the shop tag [4].

An awesome tool though, good work!

[1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/search?search=supermarket
[2] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/supermarket
[3] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/shop
[4] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/shop=supermarket

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Re: [OSM-talk] Server down?

[Grant Slater]

Should be back now.

/ Grant

On 10/6/10, Nathan Edgars II  wrote:
>
> It seems that at least one of the Mapnik tile servers is down, as is the
> wiki. This also affects Bing's mirror (which is apparently not a mirror?).
> But http://mapper.acme.com/ seems to use only c.tile.openstreetmap.org,
> which is up, so it will do if you need a map now (like I do, going downtown
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Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo

[Richard Weait]

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier  wrote:
> Jochen Topf wrote:
>>
>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de
>
> I love it. Do you plan to introduce substring searches with wildcards ? That
> would be useful for sifting through key values - for example I wanted to
> find all the "source" tags with values containing the substring "GPS".

This already works.

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/source
- click magnifying glass icon at lower left of result window.
- add "gps" and press return

Returned results include the string embedded in words, upper and lower
case variants.

Feature request.  Could the value search string be included in a link?
 Something like
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/source?gps
for the above?

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Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

[Ed Avis]

I hope everything is okay at CM.  I worked at ArsDigita during a time when the
founder was being pushed out by VC investors (Greylock and General Atlantic) who
then attempted to take the company in a different direction.  It wasn't a happy
time for many employees, and the new product we worked on was a bit of a
trainwreck.  That said, the dotcom crash cannot have helped.

I don't see any announcement about this on Cloudmade's blog, but then I didn't
really expect to.  Is Nick Black still there?  Any other old-time OSMers still?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

Jochen Topf wrote:

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de


I love it. Do you plan to introduce substring searches with wildcards ? 
That would be useful for sifting through key values - for example I 
wanted to find all the "source" tags with values containing the 
substring "GPS".



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[OSM-talk] Server down?

[Nathan Edgars II]

It seems that at least one of the Mapnik tile servers is down, as is the
wiki. This also affects Bing's mirror (which is apparently not a mirror?).
But http://mapper.acme.com/ seems to use only c.tile.openstreetmap.org,
which is up, so it will do if you need a map now (like I do, going downtown
in a few hours to map).
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Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple OSM instances

[jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com]

I think this discussion should first be put on hold until we develop
and test the technology needed.
when it all works well, I am sure the main osm site will love to use it.
mike

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Andrew Errington
 wrote:
> On Tue, October 5, 2010 23:50, 80n wrote:
> 
>> Are there any easy and simple steps that can be taken that could make the
>>  existence of multiple OSMs a whole lot less painful?
>
> Yes.  Combine them all into one project.  Call it OSM.
>
> Best wishes,
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> Andrew
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Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo

[Peter Körner]

Am 05.10.2010 19:13, schrieb Jochen Topf:

On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 06:54:04PM +0200, Sebastian Klein wrote:

I'd prefer if it would not show a vertical scrollbar. This way you could
use the full height of your monitor to read the results. Would it be too
much to ask for, like, a maximum of 500 entries per page instead of
currently 40?


I am not sure I quite understand, what you want. You don't want a scrollbar
but still see 500 entries on your screen? How big is your monitor? :-)


He talks about the *vertical* scrollbar which is really quite annoying. 
Take this page for example:




There is much white space on the page but I have to scroll vertical 
anyway to see all information. In this case it would be better to wrap 
some of the table cells in the next row.


There are also two little bugs in here (WinXP FF 3.6.6): If you scroll 
as far right as you can, there are still characters missing at the last 
word (it reads "addr:housenum"). The Tool-Tip-Text shows 
"addr%3Ahousenumber" with %3A in it.



Peter

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