Re: [OSM-talk] Announce search box with result suggestions
I find this annoying as well. I believe it happens because (at least here in the US) cities are mapped twice. Once using a node in the center of the city and once using the administrative boundary multipolygon relation. I'm guessing the nodes exist because some tools don't know how to deal with relations. Or am I way off base here? Toby On Nov 19, 2010 6:28 PM, "Steve Bennett" wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 3:21 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Give it a try, I will put th... Cool. Speaking of things that bug us, I hate the way that when you search for a town/suburb, you almost always get hits for both the town, and all its boundaries. I don't know if this is a Nominatim issue or what (I have no idea how Nominatim works), but if it could be solved/reduced, I'd be very happy. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lis... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 00:11 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > 2. The license train has left the station. We've been at this for ages > and there is no viable alternative. We will certainly not throw away > years of deliberations just because a handful of US corporations asked > us to (and imagine the outcry among mappers if we were to do that). I think you mean 'The license slow-coach has left the station'.. If theres 'no alternative' then what is going to happen at the next stages of the license changeover, where apparently the community will be asked what to do next? I wonder if its a case of 'previous submissions need not submit again', when it comes to asking the community our views. By the way, from a quick glance at the voting process and timeline, it appears the train might have left the station, but no-one was onboard. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan You'll note that re-licensing only started to occur 12 weeks ago and the voting process had 130 people vote yes (Ive never seen a way to vote no, other than navigating away from the page with a single 'accept' button), hardly a case of left-the-station. I wonder how many people would change their vote, knowing the interests that large companies are getting in OSM, and how many people would be starting to worry about any 'future licence change' clause in CTs, when the projects founder works for the company known for taking over and screwing over other groups with legal avenues and licences. Fortunately from the wiki, the comment: > Note: Licensing Working Group (LWG) is currently primarily focusing on > clarification improvements to the Contributor Terms and resolving > license issues with data donors. leads me to believe that despite what you and others are saying about everything being set in stone and not being able to be changed, is wrong, and the LWG *ARE* seeking to improve and fix the CTs and licence issues. At least it appears one working group is trying to hold the forks together while other individials try and drive the wedge in. > 3. In case you want to go into any kind of detail about the license, > legal-talk ist that way --->. I have no interest in the legal detail of the licence, only interested in talking about the ramifications of the licence on our map data, no matter how many times people try to derail this important issue to a legal mailing list. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] JOSM and spam
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 7:36 PM, John Smith wrote: > > At least you are being honest, which is more than Frederik seems to be > capable of, Frederik is a generous and respected contributor to the OpenStreetMap community. His record speaks for itself and he doesn't need me or anybody else to stand up for him. Best regards, Richard P.S. For those newer to this list who may not know all of the players yet, a partial list of Frederik's generosity in the OSM community includes: Frederik has advocated OpenStreetMap for years, participating with hundreds of mappers in person and thousands by email. Frederik is, with his co-authors, responsible for creating the OpenStreetMap section in book stores. Frederik gives generously of his time to share his knowledge on the wiki, mailing lists, irc, at conferences and stamtisches. Frederik has been open about his OpenStreetMap consulting business from it's inception. Frederik gives generously of his time and expertise in maintaining OpenStreetMap infrastructure and data integrity. Frederik studied and published performance gains in the OSM stack from which we all benefit. Frederik's record of transparency, honesty, technical acuity and good humour is well-known. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] JOSM and spam
On 24 November 2010 09:57, Erik Johansson wrote: > Hi > > It would be great if someone could convince the JOSM people to remove > the ODbL blurb in JOSM, people get scared and spam everyone who hasn't > agreed to the new license. > "OpenStreetMap is changing its license. This requires user affirmation. Read License change information or Translated texts. You can state your decision here." (German says something different?) Respectfully, I honestly do not believe this JOSM banner is the cause. The banner is informative and provides the mechanism for the reader to potentially agree to the terms. As has been pointed out there is a much higher probability people are looking at the http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/ and contacting others based on that. If people feel ready to agree to the terms then by all means please go for it, but the Licensing Working Group is not yet actively asking the great community. There will be an email out to the community asking them to agree later and then, only once the decline option is available. In closing; if there are people doing broad (not to people they know) "relicense now now now" style messages my word to them is relax and hold fire. This is not a race. Regards Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] walking-paper is down?
hello we are using walking-paper to map the flood crisis in Colombia, we have generated some wp but never displayed so that they can print. Anyone know anything? is urgent for us tnk humano -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] walking-paper is down?
hello we are using walking-paper to map the flood crisis in Colombia, we have generated some wp but never displayed so that they can print. Anyone know anything? is urgent for us tnk humano -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Ahora Colombia necesita maperos
Mapeaste por Haiti, Clile, Pakistan? Ahora en Colombia necesitamos de tu ayuda, el pais atraviesa por la temporada de lluvias mas fuerte de los últimos 10 años, lo cual ha provocado mas de 300 muertos, millones de damnificados y mas de 500 millones de dolares en perdidas materiales incluyendo millones de hectáreas cultivables. Puedes ayudarnos a mitigar esta crisis mapeando, para que las labores humanitarias sean mas efectiva, OSM Colombia está trabajando muy cerca de OCHA y ello confian en nuestros mapas para realizar sus misiones. Mientras esperamos que sean liberadas imágenes provenientes de la activación de la Disastercharter [0] , puedes ayudarnos a mapear sectores críticos del pais que cuentan con imagenes de yahoo, ahora es prioritario enfocarnos en la zona de Soacha al sur de Bogota [1] que por su densidad de población ha resultado sumamente afectada y es donde los esfuerzos de OCHA se centrarán el día de mañana. Por favor despues de leer este mail ayúdanos durante unos minutos, marcando calles, rios, parques y edificios. salu2 fredy rivera (humano) OSM Colombia [0] http://www.disasterscharter.org/web/charter/activation_details?p_r_p_1415474252_assetId=ACT-343 [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=4.57315&lon=-74.21482&zoom=16 bit.ly/hZmhAj -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
On 24 November 2010 23:11, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Ed Avis wrote: >> >> Well, since there is a licence discussion anyway, how about it? What >> would >> Microsoft and others like to see from OSM's licence? It would be great to >> have >> some concrete preferences from the most important users. > > > > 2. The license train has left the station. We've been at this for ages and > there is no viable alternative. We will certainly not throw away years of > deliberations just because a handful of US corporations asked us to (and > imagine the outcry among mappers if we were to do that). > As a note... LWG minutues from 18th/25th May 2010 has ODbL discussion with Microsoft/Bing. https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_63fshs97dc https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_64gvwsr8gq / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
Ed, Ed Avis wrote: Well, since there is a licence discussion anyway, how about it? What would Microsoft and others like to see from OSM's licence? It would be great to have some concrete preferences from the most important users. 1. Speak for yourself; the "most important users" for me are those for whom we open up entirely new possibilities. I'm glad to see big players join the band but they all had their map data before - whereas OSM has helped a lot of people acquire map data, and maps, who didn't have anything like it. Those I consider most important. 2. The license train has left the station. We've been at this for ages and there is no viable alternative. We will certainly not throw away years of deliberations just because a handful of US corporations asked us to (and imagine the outcry among mappers if we were to do that). 3. In case you want to go into any kind of detail about the license, legal-talk ist that way --->. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] South Pole?
"It looks like you are trying to create a multipolygon relation. Would you like some help with that?" On Nov 24, 2010 2:16 PM, "M∡rtin Koppenhoefer" wrote: 2010/11/24 Richard Weait : > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Gregory wrote: >> Instead of "Sout... Great idea. We could animate the paper clip, wouldn't that be awesome? Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lis... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Flooding in Columbia call 4 mappers
hello mappers, We need to focus on mapping in OSM this area near Bogota[0] (soacha), where there are serious problems with flooding. yahoo images are available. tomorrow will be in the area an OCHA mission, they used WP and hope that will be useful salu2 freed OSM Colombia [0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=4.57315&lon=-74.21482&zoom=16 -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
SteveC asklater.com> writes: >I'd avoid discussion about where we both get value... because OSM isn't really >a company you can negotiate terms with. The license on the data is what it is, >take it or leave it. So there's not really any discussion about OSM giving >anyone more value in that sense. Well, since there is a licence discussion anyway, how about it? What would Microsoft and others like to see from OSM's licence? It would be great to have some concrete preferences from the most important users. -- Ed Avis ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] API down?
On 24 November 2010 20:51, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Is the API down? I can't download anything in JOSM. No, API seem ok to me. Can you access http://www.osm.org/ ? / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] API down?
Is the API down? I can't download anything in JOSM. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that Microsoft, Cloudmade or anybody else
should attempt to control the OSM project. ('anybody else' is quite broadly
defined in this case)
But I think it would be great at least to know what are the missing features and
data that these users of OSM would like to see. Whether that affects what you
do as an individual contributor is entirely up to you. But we can at least
find out.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
Richard Weait wrote: > http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing > http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima Congratulations to Steve! I really hope the announcement about the imagery is as fantastic as it sounds, i.e. that we will be able to trace all of the aerial imagery available on the Bing maps site. They must have a lot of third party copyright considerations to deal with. For example, the hi-res imagery on Bing for the UK seems to be from Getmapping plc. Getmapping have their own partially crowdsourced map for the UK, traced from their aerial imagery (peoplesmap.com), and which they aim to make money from (via proprietary licensing). I wonder whether Microsoft's existing licence would allow them to sublicense us for the purpose of tracing and, if not whether Getmapping would be willing to sell MS such a licence (and whether MS would be willing to buy it!). Here's hoping! David (davespod) -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Steve-Coast-Joins-Microsoft-as-Principle-Architect-of-Bing-Mobile-tp5767431p5771900.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] South Pole?
2010/11/24 Richard Weait : > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Gregory wrote: >> Instead of "South Pole" at 0,0 can we have something like "You are here" or >> "You are lost". >> "Great adventures start here", "Did you mess up coding?". >> Hmm too many possibilities, maybe we would have to put it to a wiki vote. > > FakeSteveC suggests, "Where do you want to go today?" and a little > paper clip icon. Great idea. We could animate the paper clip, wouldn't that be awesome? Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] JOSM and spam
2010/11/24 Frederik Ramm : > I don't think we should stop informing people of the upcoming license change > just because this makes some people send messages to others. +1 cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
Hrm. I think we should have some kind of idea of what we're trying to accomplish. There are a bunch of companies interested in OSM, and it might be nice for them to talk. I suspect it's about as simple as that? But we don't want to do that and exclude anyone else, so it should be free for anyone else to come along. I'd avoid discussion about where we both get value... because OSM isn't really a company you can negotiate terms with. The license on the data is what it is, take it or leave it. So there's not really any discussion about OSM giving anyone more value in that sense. On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Steve Citron-Pousty wrote: > Hey Peter and Emilie: > Totally agree - hence the reason to have an unconference. The important part > of this conference would be the back and forth as we try to find the place > where we both can get value. I think everyone who wrote the original letter > is very sensitive to the claims of any company "driving OSM" - this is NOT > what we want. > > Does that make sense? > Steve > > > > From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org on behalf of Emilie Laffray > Sent: Wed 11/24/2010 10:33 AM > To: Peter Wendorff > Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference > > > > > On 24 November 2010 18:20, Peter Wendorff wrote: > > > Dangerous question. > On the one hand you are right: It would be awesome. > But on the other OSM should not be as a big companies wants it to be. > > > > I agree with the statement that OSM should be what OSM wants to be. If the > goal of OSM coincides with those companies, good, else we should not move out > of our way to serve those companies interest. > > Emily Laffray > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
On 25 November 2010 00:03, Emilie Laffray wrote: >> But on the other OSM should not be as a big companies wants it to be. > > I agree with the statement that OSM should be what OSM wants to be. If the > goal of OSM coincides with those companies, good, else we should not move > out of our way to serve those companies interest. Exactly , I am afraid of these big names and their influence . Oracle and the set of forks which evolved from the FOSS projects it bought out (call it ownership ! ) should be a eye opener ! Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
Hey Peter and Emilie: Totally agree - hence the reason to have an unconference. The important part of this conference would be the back and forth as we try to find the place where we both can get value. I think everyone who wrote the original letter is very sensitive to the claims of any company "driving OSM" - this is NOT what we want. Does that make sense? Steve From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org on behalf of Emilie Laffray Sent: Wed 11/24/2010 10:33 AM To: Peter Wendorff Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference On 24 November 2010 18:20, Peter Wendorff wrote: Dangerous question. On the one hand you are right: It would be awesome. But on the other OSM should not be as a big companies wants it to be. I agree with the statement that OSM should be what OSM wants to be. If the goal of OSM coincides with those companies, good, else we should not move out of our way to serve those companies interest. Emily Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
On 24 November 2010 18:20, Peter Wendorff wrote: > Dangerous question. > On the one hand you are right: It would be awesome. > But on the other OSM should not be as a big companies wants it to be. > I agree with the statement that OSM should be what OSM wants to be. If the goal of OSM coincides with those companies, good, else we should not move out of our way to serve those companies interest. Emily Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
Am 24.11.2010 15:42, schrieb Ed Avis: Steve Citron-Pousty decarta.com> writes: deCarta, Mapquest, Bing, and WeoGeo are really excited about where OSM is going - we would like to have an unconference on how mapping Corps can help OSM - what do people think? I think this is a great idea, and I would also like to know what OSM can do to help these companies. What is needed so that the OSM layer can become the default layer? Dangerous question. On the one hand you are right: It would be awesome. But on the other OSM should not be as a big companies wants it to be. regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] South Pole?
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Gregory wrote: > Instead of "South Pole" at 0,0 can we have something like "You are here" or > "You are lost". > "Great adventures start here", "Did you mess up coding?". > Hmm too many possibilities, maybe we would have to put it to a wiki vote. FakeSteveC suggests, "Where do you want to go today?" and a little paper clip icon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 7:57 PM, David Fawcett wrote: > Actually, that already happened a few months ago when NPR's Future Tense did > a story about the new OSM tiles for Bing. > http://futuretense.publicradio.org/episode/index.php?id=902367746 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] South Pole?
Instead of "South Pole" at 0,0 can we have something like "You are here" or "You are lost". "Great adventures start here", "Did you mess up coding?". Hmm too many possibilities, maybe we would have to put it to a wiki vote. On 23 November 2010 08:52, Ed Loach wrote: > On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 17:59 +0100, Rob wrote: > > even more "polution" > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=0.445&lon=-1.674&zoom=10&layers=M > > And Jon replied: > > That has a different cause. Someone did upload data putting > > buildings > > here which have since been removed > > Except for this way, I think: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/48399061 > > Ed > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
Steve Citron-Pousty decarta.com> writes: >deCarta, Mapquest, Bing, and WeoGeo are really excited about where OSM is going >- we would like to have an unconference on how mapping Corps can help OSM - >what >do people think? I think this is a great idea, and I would also like to know what OSM can do to help these companies. What is needed so that the OSM layer can become the default layer? -- Ed Avis ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
