Re: [OSM-talk] How to obtain a small coastline polygon for TileMill?
Thanks - that's perfect. I hadn't noticed the SRS box. Works great now. Steve On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM, AJ Ashton wrote: > > On Feb 25, 2013 11:22 PM, "Steve Bennett" wrote: > >> 5) openstreetmapdata.com's land/sea polygons >> (http://openstreetmapdata.com/data/land-polygons) >> - very slow to render (because it's the whole world?) >> - it's off by ~25km south of the other OSM data. I used the Mercator >> projection > > I would recommend these files (they are what we use at MapBox). TileMill's > projection auto detection is a bit off for these files - make sure to set > the SRS explicitly to '900913'. As for speed, make sure the file has been > indexed with the 'shapeindex' command line utility that comes with Mapnik. > This should speed up rendering noticeably. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to obtain a small coastline polygon for TileMill?
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 03:20:22PM +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > 5) openstreetmapdata.com's land/sea polygons > (http://openstreetmapdata.com/data/land-polygons) > - very slow to render (because it's the whole world?) There are two versions, one has huge unsplit polygons, one has them split into small pieces. If you use the split polygons it should render very quickly. Because you are only interested in a small area, you should probably cut out that area before use anyway (with ogr2ogr for instance). And create a shape index file! This will make rendering much faster. > - it's off by ~25km south of the other OSM data. I used the Mercator > projection I am quite sure that it is not off, maybe you other data is off? These map tiles use the data from openstreetmapdata.com, looks okay to me: http://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?zoom=10&lat=-38.03187&lon=144.8822&layers=B000TT Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] How to obtain a small coastline polygon for TileMill?
Hi all, I'm learning TileMill with a project to render my home town of Melbourne, which is on the southeastern coast of Australia. The only problem I'm having is the coastline. I've tried a few things, and nothing has really worked: 1) The default 'countries' shape that comes with TileMill - not enough detail, misaligned with OSM data (maybe the wrong projection) 2) Cloudmade's Victoria coastline (http://downloads.cloudmade.com/oceania/australia_and_new_zealand/australia/victoria) - I think it's just a way, not a closed polygon. As a result, applying a fill to it doesn't really work - bits of water don't get filled, and bits of land do. 3) Cloudmade's victoria.poly (http://downloads.cloudmade.com/oceania/australia_and_new_zealand/australia/victoria/victoria.poly) - not in a format that TileMill recognises. 4) Cloudmade's whole Australia coastline: http://downloads.cloudmade.com/oceania/australia_and_new_zealand/australia/australia.coastline.osm.bz2 - aligns perfectly, but seems to be broken: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/broken-coastline.png 5) openstreetmapdata.com's land/sea polygons (http://openstreetmapdata.com/data/land-polygons) - very slow to render (because it's the whole world?) - it's off by ~25km south of the other OSM data. I used the Mercator projection I'm using TileMill installed on an Ubuntu VM with PostGIS. The OSM data I'm using came from here: http://osm-metro-extracts.s3.amazonaws.com/melbourne.osm.pbf Can someone advise the best way to get a simple coastline polygon into TileMill? For this project, I really only need a single polygon of Port Phillip Bay (or alternatively, a single land polygon covering greater Melbourne). Sorry for the newbie questions. Thanks, Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Sezione ari, vigili e protezione civile
Ciao a tutti. Vorrei mappare un edificio con diverse stanze che ospita la sezione ari (i radioamatori) , i vigili urbani e la protezione civile. Quali sono i tag più adatti per mapparlo? Grazie. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [Talk-it] Sezione ari, vigili e protezione civile
Ciao a tutti. Vorrei mappare un edificio con diverse stanze che ospita la sezione ari (i radioamatori) , i vigili urbani e la protezione civile. Quali sono i tag più adatti per mapparlo? Grazie. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Sezione ari, vigili e protezione civile
Ciao a tutti. Vorrei mappare un edificio con diverse stanze che ospita la sezione ari (i radioamatori) , i vigili urbani e la protezione civile. Quali sono i tag più adatti per mapparlo? Grazie. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Proposition for a classification of path
Hi, I have wrote a proposition of classification for path. You can see it at : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/pathtype Balaitous ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
Hello everybody, Please use the appropriate list, tagging@ is that way -> -- --- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
On 25 February 2013 16:58, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Ok, I can agree that having a concert_hall tag is valuable because it's > easier for mappers to remember it. But then how should we call other music > venues? If you look for "music venue" on wikipedia, the first picture is a > concert hall: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_venue > > I suggest we use amenity=music_venue for each place where music is played, > and we use amenity=concert_hall as a specialized type of a music venue. Sounds good to me. There's also other specific tags like bandshell, nightclub etc that I think should be used instead of the generic music_venue when applicable. /Markus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
On Mon, 2013-02-25 at 14:37 +, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: > amenity=music_venue > + music_venue=concert_hall/music_club/opera_house/? > > Now, how should restaurants that e.g. have live music every night (and host > touring artists, too) be tagged? > The tag live_music has been used 9 times, where music isn't the primary purpose. amenity=pub live_music=yes or amenity=restaurant live_music=sun Phil (trigpoint) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Geocode trademark
Hi Don, So you are volunteering as an expert witness? =D And yes sadly the situation is silly, but difficult to deal with as with the OSMF being a small organization with little in the way of a legal fund. Best, -Kate On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Donald Cooke wrote: > If anyone gets around to challenging GEOCODE, Inc's trademark claim, a > couple of quick searches will find that the term has been in use in GIS > literature for ~45 years. For example, I organized a working session on > Geocoding in 1971. I put together a collection of papers called > "GEOCODING-71" which Google books shows available in nine libraries in the > USA and Canada. At the bottom of page 54, there's even a reference to a > commercial product called "GEOCODE". I really wish these people would do > something useful with their lives and talents rather than annoy others with > groundless legal actions. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] No Jerusalem on OSM maps?
Toby Murray wrote: Also, see the note=* tag on this node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/29090735 And see this previous list thread: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-October/060323.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
2013/2/25 Peter Wendorff > I like the idea of tags for concert hall, music venue and the like, but it > should be possible to mix them, e.g. by using a very generic term (like > amenity=event_location) and several sub tags (like: concert_events=yes, > sport_events=regularly, theatre=yes, opera=no, parties=no, conferences=yes) > or something like that. > I've been thinking about this problem a lot, and I think those tags shouldn't be taken to seriously. They are all pretty vague and have lot's of gray areas. So I'm sure a place exists that could be tagged as a caffe, fast_food, restaurant, pub and a night_club. I think we shouldn't lose too much sleep over it. Just use the one that surrounding people use most. But if we want to be precise, we can invent a big collection of attributes which should be strictly used. Tags like service:bicycle:rent=yes, dance_podium=yes, service:food:pizza=yes, service:drink:coffee=yes etc. That's information you should be able to rely on. If you have a amenity=caffe + service:food:pizza=yes, it can still be called a caffe. Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] No Jerusalem on OSM maps?
Try nominatim: http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?q=Jerusalem%2C+Israel Also, see the note=* tag on this node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/29090735 Toby 2013/2/22 Henkel, Paul : > Dear OSM, > > > > Want to travel to Israel and use a OSM map but I can’t find Jerusalem on it. > Is this typical for OSM maps or just a bug of some kind? > > > > Best regards. > > > > Paul > > > > > > Dit e-mailbericht is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u > niet de beoogde ontvanger van dit e-mailbericht bent, vragen wij u > vriendelijk de verzender hiervan direct op de hoogte te stellen en het > bericht als niet verzonden te beschouwen. Openbaarmaking, vermenigvuldiging, > verstrekking aan of gebruik door derden van dit e-mailbericht of deze > informatie is niet toegestaan. > > Dit bericht is gescanned door Mailmarshal en afkomstig van het netwerk van > Kwintes. > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cool uses of OSM
Hello Everyone, Hi Maarten, Guilty as charged - we are responsible for the Passenger Information Application for the Erzgebirgsbahn - onboard, for mobile phones and on the VMS webpage. The data shown is based on GPS-position fixes of all the Erzgebirgsbahn-vehicles and calculations of estimated arrival times on the stations along the trip. The source information is provided by a already existent onboard system whose primary purpose until now was to assist the drivers for an economic manner of driving - based on the current position on the trip and the remaining scheduled stations. Our servers preprocess this information collected from all the vehicles and provide it with some extrapolations to be displayed by the onboard display units, the internet-application and the mobile phone apps. The whole system is in an evaluation phase right now and only one of the vehicles of the Erzgebirgsbahn is equipped with display-units, yet, but all vehicles already relay their positions and estimations for the remaining trip in certain intervals. We provide precompiled OSM tiles spanning the area of operations of the Erzgebirgsbahn and quite some more in the vicinity. If the system is left alone it will cycle to different zoom levels depending on the speed of the train and keeping the vehicle in the center. Beneath the scheduled trip to the side the unit will display the departure tables of the upcoming station informing the passenger about connections - until now mostly other trains but perhaps the VMS can be convinced to deliver data on bus services in the future, too. If a passenger touches the unit as you surely noticed the map may be panned and zoomed at will giving quite some details about the territory and giving him assistance in exploring the vicinity. Once it is left alone for a certain time it will reset back to the automatic mode. Since the displays onboard the trains have to adhere to a huge number of regulations concerning the usage of equipment in railway vehicles and security against vandalism the somehow "outdated" usage of a resistive touch screen could not be avoided and the usage is sometimes not quite as intuitively as we would like. While taking some test-trips in the summer I witnessed several passengers trying to use tentative touches and finger gestures which they probably know from their smart-phones and tablets and few dared to exert the necessary pressure for the screen to react to their fingertips. And in fact you could have seen the departure tables onboard the train, too. I admit it is a little difficult to "click" the stations in the map - especially in low zoom levels - due to the restricted resolution of the touch-screen technology and the display itself. Fortunately there is another way which you probably missed - the departure tables can be reached by clicking the entries in the remaining timetable of the train shown at the side, too. In which case they will show a departure table starting with the estimated time of arrival of the train you are on. I am glad you like the application and had fun on your trip with the Erzgebirgsbahn. For everyone who likes to take a look here the URLs to the application: Web: http://www.vms.de/egb/index.html Android-APP: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.funkwerkit.erzgebirgsb ahn IPhone-APP: https://itunes.apple.com/de/app/erzgebirgsbahn/id538338817 Greetings from Berlin Ronnie Ronnie Brunn Research and Development -- Funkwerk Aktiengesellschaft Traffic & Control Communication Rotherstrasse 22, D - 10245 Berlin Phone+49(0)30-293489-52 Fax +49(0)30-293489-20 E-Mail ronnie.br...@funkwerk-it.com Internet http://www.funkwerk-it.com --- Registered office: Koelleda, registered in Germany, number HRB 111457 Jena CEO: Dr. Manfred Lerch -- Diese E-Mail kann vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschuetzte Informationen enthalten. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrtuemlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender durch eine Antwortmail und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. Wir danken fuer Ihre Kooperation. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient or have received this e-mail in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this e-mail from your systems. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] No Jerusalem on OSM maps?
Dear OSM, Want to travel to Israel and use a OSM map but I can't find Jerusalem on it. Is this typical for OSM maps or just a bug of some kind? Best regards. Paul # De inhoud van dit bericht is alleen bestemd voor de bedoelde ontvanger. Indien u dit bericht heeft ontvangen terwijl dit niet de bedoeling was dan vragen wij u dit te vernietigen. Dit bericht is gescand door Mailmarshal en afkomstig van het netwerk van Kwintes. # ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Geocode trademark
If anyone gets around to challenging GEOCODE, Inc's trademark claim, a couple of quick searches will find that the term has been in use in GIS literature for ~45 years. For example, I organized a working session on Geocoding in 1971. I put together a collection of papers called "GEOCODING-71" which Google books shows available in nine libraries in the USA and Canada. At the bottom of page 54, there's even a reference to a commercial product called "GEOCODE". I really wish these people would do something useful with their lives and talents rather than annoy others with groundless legal actions. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] help generating tiles according to specifications
I'm working on a Jerusalem-themed app for mobile devices, and my developer is using the route-me API as our maps solution. The tricky part is that OpenStreetMaps defaults to Hebrew when viewing Jerusalem. I see here that OpenStreetMaps does have English-language data (street labels, etc) available for Jerusalem: http://toolserver.org/~osm/locale/en.html?zoom=15&lat=31.77079&lon=35.21805&layers=BT I am looking for help exporting this data to an MBTile file for use with the route-me API. I have been asking around for advice, and while the OSM community has been highly generous with explaining how to go about doing the work, because I'm not familiar with these file types, I'm not so comfortable doing it myself. I am hoping that someone on the "talk" list might be willing to take care of the job on my behalf for a modest fee, or even on a volunteer basis. (Unfortunately, we've already spent our budget on developing the app, so this expense will need to come out of my own shallow pocket.) Please email me directly at bjacob...@gmail.com if you have any advice or might be willing to help. Thanks in advance! Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
Am 25.02.2013 16:17, schrieb Markus Lindholm: On 25 February 2013 12:13, Janko Mihelić wrote: I don't think separating rock music venues and concert halls is a good idea. They are basically the same thing, a big room where music is played. I don't agree. For the same reason we have both amenity=cafe and amenity=restaurant I think it's a better idea to have both amenity=concert_hall and amenity=music_venue. Of course one could make the argument that we should only have amenity=sustenance and amenity=music_venue, but then then we would lose information just for the sake of abstraction. Both are bad examples imho, as both don't exclude each other. A lot of locations are both: restaurant and cafe, selling warm meals for lunch and dinner and coffee and cakes in the afternoon; and some music locations are used for classical concerts as well as for rock, pop, theater, musical, comedy and whatever more regularly. Some stadiums nowadays are built with multiple usages in mind, e.g. the arena "Auf Schalke" of the German soccer club "Schalke 04". Mainly a soccer stadium there have been events like Sensation White (Electro and House music), concerts (Herbert Grönemeyer, Metallica, Slayer, Pur, Bruce Springsteen, U2, AC/DC, Bon Jovi, Robbie Williams), operas (Aida, Carmen, Turandot) (source partly [1]). Another example sport stadium with multiple usages is the Lanxess Arena (formerly known as Kölnarena) in Cologne. On the other hand the Seidensticker-Halle in Bielefeld is usually a sports facility for schools in Bielefeld, but used for all kind of events, too. I like the idea of tags for concert hall, music venue and the like, but it should be possible to mix them, e.g. by using a very generic term (like amenity=event_location) and several sub tags (like: concert_events=yes, sport_events=regularly, theatre=yes, opera=no, parties=no, conferences=yes) or something like that. regards Peter [1] de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veltins-Arena ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > I suggest we use amenity=music_venue for each place where music is played, > and we use amenity=concert_hall as a specialized type of a music venue. That > means that if a concert hall is tagged with amenity=music_venue, that's not > false. Just like a fast food place can be tagged with amenity=restaurant, > although it's not as accurate as amenity=fast_food. A problem with separating them out like that is that some have a variety of types of musical event, e.g. pop and classical. For example, the Corn Exchange in Cambridge hosts just about any style. __John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
Ok, I can agree that having a concert_hall tag is valuable because it's easier for mappers to remember it. But then how should we call other music venues? If you look for "music venue" on wikipedia, the first picture is a concert hall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_venue I suggest we use amenity=music_venue for each place where music is played, and we use amenity=concert_hall as a specialized type of a music venue. That means that if a concert hall is tagged with amenity=music_venue, that's not false. Just like a fast food place can be tagged with amenity=restaurant, although it's not as accurate as amenity=fast_food. Janko Mihelić ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
On 25 February 2013 12:13, Janko Mihelić wrote: > I don't think separating rock music venues and concert halls is a good idea. > They are basically the same thing, a big room where music is played. I don't agree. For the same reason we have both amenity=cafe and amenity=restaurant I think it's a better idea to have both amenity=concert_hall and amenity=music_venue. Of course one could make the argument that we should only have amenity=sustenance and amenity=music_venue, but then then we would lose information just for the sake of abstraction. /Markus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
2013/2/25 Jaakko Helleranta.com : > amenity=music_venue > + music_venue=concert_hall/music_club/opera_house/? operas are tagged as theatres amenity=theatre http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aamenity%3Dtheatre which lists also the idea to add theatre:genre=opera (but the theatre:genre-tag is also not very common, currently occurring a little more than 100 times) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Revival: Multilingual Country-List
In Switzerland we tried for a substantial amount of time to avoid using the name tag on the Swiss country node (since any single value would be wrong). Unluckily we could not stop our colleagues from a larger country in the north wanting to fiddle around with it and last year we decided to give in and set it to a multi-lingual value. Besides that we do have have true bilingual municipalities for example Bienne were we have resorted to the same solution (name = Biel/Bienne). Assuming that there is single correct language there, or basing a language selection on geographic regions would clearly be incorrect. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
amenity=music_venue + music_venue=concert_hall/music_club/opera_house/? Now, how should restaurants that e.g. have live music every night (and host touring artists, too) be tagged? Should tags such as bar=yes or/and restaurant=yes be added where appropriate? Cheers, -Jaakko .. Who hasn't formed a solid opinion nor read all documentation on tagging "multi-feature" venues but who often adds bar/restaurant/atm/swimming_pool/etc=yes tag when they are available in a facility. Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Martin Koppenhoefer Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:11:11 To: Floris Looijesteijn Cc: OSM Talk; Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues 2013/2/25 Floris Looijesteijn : > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > I looked at my local music_venue and it was tagged as leisure=music_venue > Leisure seems to have slightly more (62) than amenity (56) at the moment. which is both not really established ;-) > I don't really care which one is used but they're probably the same so > we should choose one. if they're the same I'd prefer amenity (as it's more neutral). Interestingly both variants are proposed on the same page since 2007: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Music_venue There is also this proposal for a venue that could have been of interest in this context, but is currently not used at all: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Musicclub cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
2013/2/25 Floris Looijesteijn : > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > I looked at my local music_venue and it was tagged as leisure=music_venue > Leisure seems to have slightly more (62) than amenity (56) at the moment. which is both not really established ;-) > I don't really care which one is used but they're probably the same so > we should choose one. if they're the same I'd prefer amenity (as it's more neutral). Interestingly both variants are proposed on the same page since 2007: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Music_venue There is also this proposal for a venue that could have been of interest in this context, but is currently not used at all: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Musicclub cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
2013/2/25 Janko Mihelić : > I don't think separating rock music venues and concert halls is a good idea. > They are basically the same thing, a big room where music is played. I don't agree at all with this. They are very different features with the only thing in common that there is someone playing "music" and there is a space for an audience to listen to. We already have other features in OSM which also describe features that are included in this definition (e.g. bandstand). Of course there are different possibilities to structure the world into "classes", but for me a concert hall merits a different base tag than a music venue for rock concerts. And of course there might also be places where they perform both kinds of concerts (but I guess that's the exception and not the standard). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote:
> I don't think separating rock music venues and concert halls is a good idea.
> They are basically the same thing, a big room where music is played.
Agreed. There are too many tags as it is. Excessive distinctions
causes a lot of pointless hair splitting arguments ("should I tag this
as a concert hall or a music venue?")
OTOH, if amenity=concert_hall, amenity=music_venue and
leisure=music_venue are all in pretty similar usage, we're pretty much
free to pick one to support. I'd take amenity=music_venue, as the term
is the broadest (and happily encompasses concert halls - the reverse
isn't true). leisure=* seems wrong - those tags are generally about
sports and recreation outdoors.
> Well, when you think of it there is a difference, concert halls usually have
> chairs. Is that a good separator of the two?
Not at all - lots of other venues do too. You could argue that concert
halls are designed for the performance of classical music, but even
that will break down. It's not a distinction that needs to be made.
Can you imagine a map that has different icons for "concert halls" vs
"music venues"?
> Maybe we could invent a tag like "music=rock;classical;popular" that
> differentiates those halls, and tag them all with amenity=music_venue.
Sounds ok...I think in practice there will be an awful lot of fuzzy
sets. Rock music at classical venues and vice versa.
Steve
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
I don't think separating rock music venues and concert halls is a good idea. They are basically the same thing, a big room where music is played. Well, when you think of it there is a difference, concert halls usually have chairs. Is that a good separator of the two? Maybe we could invent a tag like "music=rock;classical;popular" that differentiates those halls, and tag them all with amenity=music_venue. Janko Mihelić ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
I would prefer amenity as it fits in better with other entertainment venues such as cinemas, theatres, concert halls and pubs. Leisure is more for sports places and swimming pools in my mind. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 25/02/2013 9:58 Floris Looijesteijn wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > I would support amenity=music_venue, it describes this type of place. > I looked at my local music_venue and it was tagged as leisure=music_venue Leisure seems to have slightly more (62) than amenity (56) at the moment. I don't really care which one is used but they're probably the same so we should choose one. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=music_venue http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=music_venue Greets, Floris ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > I would support amenity=music_venue, it describes this type of place. > I looked at my local music_venue and it was tagged as leisure=music_venue Leisure seems to have slightly more (62) than amenity (56) at the moment. I don't really care which one is used but they're probably the same so we should choose one. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=music_venue http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=music_venue Greets, Floris ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
