Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[Jaakko Helleranta.com]

Re: the topic in general:

People against the boundaries:
Please understand that they are considered highly useful in some areas and 
situations. 

For Hispanola (Haiti + Dominican Republic) the boundaries are maintained and 
used; pls don't mess around with them. I've also maintained the boundaries for 
some of the Central American countries and they are very helpful in mapping in 
the area.

The above noted, deletions to the above noted boundaries will directly 
negatively impact mapping activities and piss off active contributors in the 
area.

(I've also added imagery boundaries -- and have mapped or planned to map -- in 
at least Finland, Sweden, Spain, Senegal, Rwanda, and some other African 
countries. Messing up those boundaries may also have a negative impact to 
mapping.)

Cheers,
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From: ingalls 
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:56:16 
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am 31/mar/2013 um 20:56 schrieb ingalls :

> I'll check if they actually represent areas of high-res imagery, if they 
> don't, I'll remove them. If they still represent areas of high res imagery 
> I'll grandfather them until they become outdated.
> 
> Sound reasonable to everyone?


+1

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

[Johan C]

The OSM community owes you, Grant and the other sysadmins, a lot of
gratitude for your work to maximize availability. Thanks!

Cheers, Johan
(user: It's so funny)



2013/3/31 Grant Slater 

> All up and running again.
>
> Replaced a raid controller.
>
> Regards
> Grant
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> On 31 Mar 2013 11:30, "Colin Smale"  wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>> I noticed that the database is "down for maintenance" this morning. I
>> couldn't find any announcement for this downtime so it sounds like it was
>> unplanned. Can anyone shed any light on what is going on, and when it is
>> likely to be back up again?
>>
>> Thanks!
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

[Grant Slater]

All up and running again.

Replaced a raid controller.

Regards
Grant
OpenStreetMap sysadmin team
On 31 Mar 2013 11:30, "Colin Smale"  wrote:

> **
>
> I noticed that the database is "down for maintenance" this morning. I
> couldn't find any announcement for this downtime so it sounds like it was
> unplanned. Can anyone shed any light on what is going on, and when it is
> likely to be back up again?
>
> Thanks!
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> Colin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[Maarten Deen]

On 2013-03-31 19:22, Florian Lohoff wrote:

On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 07:01:19PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote:

It is a common and often-used method to indicate regions that have
high-resolution Bing imagery in an area where the rest is only
low-resolution.
I would not delete them. They serve a purpose. If you have a better
working suggestion (i.e. a low-hi-res overlay to use in the editors)
then you might have a point.


They are put into the database at a certain point where they might
really show the area of HiRes Sat imagery. Nobody cares about them
afterwards and bing regularly updates their imagary. So after a year
you would need to correct them which in my cases nobody did over a 
span

of more then 2 months.

As they were wrong and nobody cared i deleted them.


Obviously, when somtheing is wrong you either correct or delete it. But 
that is stating the obvious. I think there is no debate about that.


Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[ingalls]

I'm with everyone who is against adding this to the database although I
agree that a mass edit is not the way to get rid of these. I'll go through
them and contact the individual owners and see about getting as many as
possible removed. If they don't respond after a reasonable time (a month or
two) I'll check if they actually represent areas of high-res imagery, if
they don't, I'll remove them. If they still represent areas of high res
imagery I'll grandfather them until they become outdated.

Sound reasonable to everyone?




On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Florian Lohoff  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 07:01:19PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote:
> > It is a common and often-used method to indicate regions that have
> > high-resolution Bing imagery in an area where the rest is only
> > low-resolution.
> > I would not delete them. They serve a purpose. If you have a better
> > working suggestion (i.e. a low-hi-res overlay to use in the editors)
> > then you might have a point.
>
> They are put into the database at a certain point where they might
> really show the area of HiRes Sat imagery. Nobody cares about them
> afterwards and bing regularly updates their imagary. So after a year
> you would need to correct them which in my cases nobody did over a span
> of more then 2 months.
>
> As they were wrong and nobody cared i deleted them.
>
> Flo
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[OSM-talk] Imagery Offset Database

[Ilya Zverev]

Hi! I'm proud to announce the Imagery Offset Database: a centralized 
offset bookmarks and calibration geometries storage. At the moment it 
consists of:


- API: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Imagery_Offset_Database/API
- JOSM plugin: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Imagery_Offset_Database/Quick_Start

- Web interface: http://offsets.textual.ru/

The principles behind IODB are described on its wiki page, 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Imagery_Offset_Database . I have been 
developing it for about a year, and I consider it the second best way to 
solve the imagery offset problem (the first best is to realign imagery 
by a provider). You just adjust an imagery layer, but instead of 
creating a local bookmark, upload it to the server. And before aligning 
imagery layer you can check whether someone did it before.


I'd like to thanks mappers from Russia, Poland, Ukraine and Finland, 
who added 364 entries to the database in the past week and helped me 
test the plugin and the data model. Right now only JOSM users can use 
the database, but I hope iD would support it, and maybe some other 
editors: the API is really simple.


While the OSM database is in read-only mode, I suggest you transfer 
your JOSM offset bookmarks to the server. You will need a 
mirrored_download plugin, to check that your bookmarks are still valid 
and fit data and traces. And don't forget to check if someone uploaded 
an offset ahead of you.


All data in the database is published hourly in XML and JSON formats 
under PDDL license.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[Florian Lohoff]

On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 07:01:19PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote:
> It is a common and often-used method to indicate regions that have
> high-resolution Bing imagery in an area where the rest is only
> low-resolution.
> I would not delete them. They serve a purpose. If you have a better
> working suggestion (i.e. a low-hi-res overlay to use in the editors)
> then you might have a point.

They are put into the database at a certain point where they might
really show the area of HiRes Sat imagery. Nobody cares about them
afterwards and bing regularly updates their imagary. So after a year
you would need to correct them which in my cases nobody did over a span
of more then 2 months.

As they were wrong and nobody cared i deleted them.

Flo
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Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[Florian Lohoff]

On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:57:41AM -0500, Clay Smalley wrote:
> This seems silly and useless. The imagery is subject to change and the way
> will become obsolete. I don't see a point in mapping this, and I'm okay
> with deleting these ways. But I'd rather hear from someone with more
> experience before anything happens.

I was mapping in North-East china and removed them where i came past.

All of them were broken. They become outdated and nobody seems
to be brave enough to simply delete them.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:35 PM, ingalls wrote:

> Hey guys came across a really weird way.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/104974280
>
> Not sure exactly what it is supposed to represent? Is it showing where
> bing has high quality imagery? And secondly can I remove it!
>


In my community, we used to trace such outlines and add them to the OSM
database but as you noticed, it really doesn't belong in OSM.

So we deleted the ways from the OSM database and instead came up with a
separate tool: https://github.com/OSMPH/Imagery_Coverage_Map
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Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[Maarten Deen]

On 2013-03-31 17:57, Clay Smalley wrote:

This seems silly and useless. The imagery is subject to change and
the way will become obsolete. I don't see a point in mapping this, and
I'm okay with deleting these ways. But I'd rather hear from someone
with more experience before anything happens.


It is a common and often-used method to indicate regions that have 
high-resolution Bing imagery in an area where the rest is only 
low-resolution.
I would not delete them. They serve a purpose. If you have a better 
working suggestion (i.e. a low-hi-res overlay to use in the editors) 
then you might have a point.


Regards,
Maarten


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Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[Janko Mihelić]

People use this geometry and get offended if you delete it. There is this
page , but vectors can
be useful for some scenarios. I think a separate database would be the best
solution.

Janko
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Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[Clay Smalley]

This seems silly and useless. The imagery is subject to change and the way
will become obsolete. I don't see a point in mapping this, and I'm okay
with deleting these ways. But I'd rather hear from someone with more
experience before anything happens.
On Mar 31, 2013 10:39 AM, "ingalls"  wrote:

> It doesn't look like this is an isolated example, there are over a hundred
> of these
>
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/boundary=imagery#overview
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 12:35 PM, ingalls wrote:
>
>> Hey guys came across a really weird way.
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/104974280
>>
>> Not sure exactly what it is supposed to represent? Is it showing where
>> bing has high quality imagery? And secondly can I remove it!
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[Clifford Snow]

I'd first asked the person that created the polygon before deleting.

BTW - We don't have complete hi-res coverage from Bing. While many areas it
may not matter, I've mapped in areas where better imagery would have been
very helpful. Maybe we need to explore other avenues to obtain imagery in
needed areas. At least problem areas identified is a start.


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> Hey guys came across a really weird way.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/104974280
>
> Not sure exactly what it is supposed to represent? Is it showing where
> bing has high quality imagery? And secondly can I remove it!
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Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[ingalls]

It doesn't look like this is an isolated example, there are over a hundred
of these

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/boundary=imagery#overview


On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 12:35 PM, ingalls wrote:

> Hey guys came across a really weird way.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/104974280
>
> Not sure exactly what it is supposed to represent? Is it showing where
> bing has high quality imagery? And secondly can I remove it!
>
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[OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?

[ingalls]

Hey guys came across a really weird way.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/104974280

Not sure exactly what it is supposed to represent? Is it showing where bing
has high quality imagery? And secondly can I remove it!
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

[Mikel Maron]

> Nobody is on their way anywhere actually... We won't be able to get access to 
>the site until Tuesday.
 
Tom, is this due to the current holiday, and lack of access to the facility 
(UCL or Imperial?)? Or are admins unavailable, on holiday?

-Mikel

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron


>
> From: Tom Hughes 
>To: Peter Körner  
>Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org 
>Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance
> 
>On 31/03/13 11:40, Peter Körner wrote:
>
>> it seems that the Server "Ramoth"
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/ramoth
>> 
>> is unresponsive and couldn't be rebooted remotely. Some admins are
>> on-site (or on their way) to give it a kick. In the meantime it seems
>> everything's up again, but it could be that another restart is required
>> until all services work properly again.
>
>Nobody is on their way anywhere actually... We won't be able to get access to 
>the site until Tuesday.
>
>I have got things up and running in read-only mode now against a backup 
>machine, and that is probably how things are going to have to remain for the 
>next couple of days.
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

[Tom Hughes]

On 31/03/13 11:40, Peter Körner wrote:


it seems that the Server "Ramoth"
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/ramoth

is unresponsive and couldn't be rebooted remotely. Some admins are
on-site (or on their way) to give it a kick. In the meantime it seems
everything's up again, but it could be that another restart is required
until all services work properly again.


Nobody is on their way anywhere actually... We won't be able to get 
access to the site until Tuesday.


I have got things up and running in read-only mode now against a backup 
machine, and that is probably how things are going to have to remain for 
the next couple of days.


Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

[Peter Körner]

Hi

it seems that the Server "Ramoth"
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/ramoth

is unresponsive and couldn't be rebooted remotely. Some admins are 
on-site (or on their way) to give it a kick. In the meantime it seems 
everything's up again, but it could be that another restart is required 
until all services work properly again.


Peter

Am 31.03.2013 12:30, schrieb Colin Smale:

I noticed that the database is "down for maintenance" this morning. I
couldn't find any announcement for this downtime so it sounds like it
was unplanned. Can anyone shed any light on what is going on, and when
it is likely to be back up again?

Thanks!

Colin



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[OSM-talk] OSM DB down for maintenance

[Colin Smale]

 

I noticed that the database is "down for maintenance" this morning.
I couldn't find any announcement for this downtime so it sounds like it
was unplanned. Can anyone shed any light on what is going on, and when
it is likely to be back up again? 

Thanks! 

Colin 
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