Re: [OSM-talk] Introduction

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

There is a dedicated mailing list for Bangladesh, all info is here:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Bangladesh

There are a lot of mappers already (in Dhaka mostly). Just join the
mailinglist (talk-bd) and you will have no problems meeting up with some of
the locals I think.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Nasir Khan  wrote:

> Sorry for cross posting.
>
> Dear All,
>
> My name is Nasir Khan Saikat, I am form Bangladesh.
>
> I have to use the OSM a lot and in different ways. I am contributor of
> Wikipedia, OSM is implemented there. At the same time i am a software
> developer and a number of my applications are using this open street map.
> I am working with the Directorate General of Health Services of Bangladesh
> and right now i am working on several projects which are based on geo
> server, open street map, open layer, leaflet js and so on.
>
> My direct contribution to the main Open Steet Map is not that much. But by
> working on these projects i had to collect a huge amount of data and there
> is options to push this data to the OSM. And withing one month i am going
> to start a  new project based on Wikipedia. On that project we will collect
> photograph, geo location and related information of all the historical
> places of Bangladesh.
>
> I am writing here because i want to meet the OSM community of Bangladesh.
> I might need some assistance regarding this projects and you can suggest me
> a better way to complete these projects. At the same i want to is there any
> other ongoing projects running in Bangladesh, I would love to join those
> project and assist the others as much as i can.
>
>
> *--
> **Nasir Khan Saikat* 
> www.nasirkhn.com
>
> Administrator
> Bengali Wikipedia
>
> Founding Member
> Wikimedia Bangladesh
> http://bd.wikimedia.org
>
> Assistant Secretory
> Bangladesh Open Source Network
> http://bdosn.org
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2013 - Poster and Accommodation deadline

[Rob Nickerson]

I'm afraid the answer is "no" as we will not have a printer that large. We
are searching for some way of getting an A3 sized print, so bring your
memory stick and we will try our best. No promises though :(

Rob


On 4 September 2013 20:18, Stefan Keller  wrote:

> Hi Rob
>
> As the deadline for poster printing has gone, is there a possibility to
> get a print during the conference e.g. from a USB stick (like we did at
> FOSSGIS)?
>
> Yours, Stefan
>
>
> 2013/8/25 Rob Nickerson 
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Two deadlines for State of the Map to be aware of:
>>
>> == 1. Posters: ==
>> We are offering to print (free of charge thanks to ITO World) A1 sized
>> posters for display at SOTM. This is ideal for people who want to share
>> something with the community but are unable to attend.
>>
>> Our print deadline for these is WEDNESDAY 28th August (this week). Please
>> fill in the online form and we will get back to you:
>> http://2013.stateofthemap.org/info/call-presentations/
>>
>> (note that this deadline does not apply if you are intending to print
>> your own poster and bring it with you).
>>
>>
>> == 2. Accommodation: ==
>> Because of demand from other events at Aston, SotM has to release any
>> hotel rooms reserved but not booked by delegates by WEDENESDAY 28th August
>> (11am GMT). After that time you'll be competing with others in reserving
>> rooms - they're still available subject to demand: you will have to call
>> Aston's Reservations Team on 0121 204 3726 or email r.bi...@aston.ac.uk and
>> you'll get the best available rate on the day of booking.
>>
>> (note: This does not apply to the student residences, which are available
>> to book right up to Tuesday 3rd September)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob
>>
>> stateofthemap.org
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2013 - Poster and Accommodation deadline

[Stefan Keller]

Rob wrote:
> I'm afraid the answer is "no" as we will not have a printer that large.
> We are searching for some way of getting an A3 sized print, so bring your
memory stick and we will try our best.
> No promises though :(

Thanks for your answer. That's ok for me - I don't want to cause
inconveniences.

Stefan



2013/9/4 Rob Nickerson 

> I'm afraid the answer is "no" as we will not have a printer that large. We
> are searching for some way of getting an A3 sized print, so bring your
> memory stick and we will try our best. No promises though :(
>
> Rob
>
>
> On 4 September 2013 20:18, Stefan Keller  wrote:
>
>> Hi Rob
>>
>> As the deadline for poster printing has gone, is there a possibility to
>> get a print during the conference e.g. from a USB stick (like we did at
>> FOSSGIS)?
>>
>> Yours, Stefan
>>
>>
>> 2013/8/25 Rob Nickerson 
>>
>>>  Hi All,
>>>
>>> Two deadlines for State of the Map to be aware of:
>>>
>>> == 1. Posters: ==
>>> We are offering to print (free of charge thanks to ITO World) A1 sized
>>> posters for display at SOTM. This is ideal for people who want to share
>>> something with the community but are unable to attend.
>>>
>>> Our print deadline for these is WEDNESDAY 28th August (this week).
>>> Please fill in the online form and we will get back to you:
>>> http://2013.stateofthemap.org/info/call-presentations/
>>>
>>> (note that this deadline does not apply if you are intending to print
>>> your own poster and bring it with you).
>>>
>>>
>>> == 2. Accommodation: ==
>>> Because of demand from other events at Aston, SotM has to release any
>>> hotel rooms reserved but not booked by delegates by WEDENESDAY 28th August
>>> (11am GMT). After that time you'll be competing with others in reserving
>>> rooms - they're still available subject to demand: you will have to
>>> call Aston's Reservations Team on 0121 204 3726 or email
>>> r.bi...@aston.ac.uk and you'll get the best available rate on the day
>>> of booking.
>>>
>>> (note: This does not apply to the student residences, which are
>>> available to book right up to Tuesday 3rd September)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> stateofthemap.org
>>>
>>>
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[OSM-talk] Introduction

[Nasir Khan]

Sorry for cross posting.

Dear All,

My name is Nasir Khan Saikat, I am form Bangladesh.

I have to use the OSM a lot and in different ways. I am contributor of
Wikipedia, OSM is implemented there. At the same time i am a software
developer and a number of my applications are using this open street map.
I am working with the Directorate General of Health Services of Bangladesh
and right now i am working on several projects which are based on geo
server, open street map, open layer, leaflet js and so on.

My direct contribution to the main Open Steet Map is not that much. But by
working on these projects i had to collect a huge amount of data and there
is options to push this data to the OSM. And withing one month i am going
to start a  new project based on Wikipedia. On that project we will collect
photograph, geo location and related information of all the historical
places of Bangladesh.

I am writing here because i want to meet the OSM community of Bangladesh. I
might need some assistance regarding this projects and you can suggest me a
better way to complete these projects. At the same i want to is there any
other ongoing projects running in Bangladesh, I would love to join those
project and assist the others as much as i can.


*--
**Nasir Khan Saikat* 
www.nasirkhn.com

Administrator
Bengali Wikipedia

Founding Member
Wikimedia Bangladesh
http://bd.wikimedia.org

Assistant Secretory
Bangladesh Open Source Network
http://bdosn.org
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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2013 - Poster and Accommodation deadline

[Stefan Keller]

Hi Rob

As the deadline for poster printing has gone, is there a possibility to get
a print during the conference e.g. from a USB stick (like we did at
FOSSGIS)?

Yours, Stefan


2013/8/25 Rob Nickerson 

> Hi All,
>
> Two deadlines for State of the Map to be aware of:
>
> == 1. Posters: ==
> We are offering to print (free of charge thanks to ITO World) A1 sized
> posters for display at SOTM. This is ideal for people who want to share
> something with the community but are unable to attend.
>
> Our print deadline for these is WEDNESDAY 28th August (this week). Please
> fill in the online form and we will get back to you:
> http://2013.stateofthemap.org/info/call-presentations/
>
> (note that this deadline does not apply if you are intending to print your
> own poster and bring it with you).
>
>
> == 2. Accommodation: ==
> Because of demand from other events at Aston, SotM has to release any
> hotel rooms reserved but not booked by delegates by WEDENESDAY 28th August
> (11am GMT). After that time you'll be competing with others in reserving
> rooms - they're still available subject to demand: you will have to call
> Aston's Reservations Team on 0121 204 3726 or email r.bi...@aston.ac.uk and
> you'll get the best available rate on the day of booking.
>
> (note: This does not apply to the student residences, which are available
> to book right up to Tuesday 3rd September)
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
> stateofthemap.org
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[bimal maharjan]

Hi Matt,

I am exploring existing solutions at the infrastructure level that solves
the holistic problem rather than the specific use case.

Cheers!
Bimal


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Matt McNabb
wrote:

> Hi Bimal
>
> The problem you've raised is something I have faced almost everywhere I
> work. As the paper that you 
> cited
>  and
> the LA Times Article 
> noted
> on the wiki suggests, the absence of systematic street addressing poses a
> major challenge for certain government and business functions; precisely
> why organizations like the World Bank have invested so much in systematic
> addressing 
> efforts.
> That said, you're right... this is way too slow and unreliable for most
> people to wait on it.
>
> The way that we always end up having to face this is by mapping key POIs
> that are important for local map orientation or direction giving. This can
> be difficult because of classifications and visibility of those icons for
> less traditional POIs (eg things like near 'the mango tree' that might no
> longer physically exist, or a housing compound no longer inhabited by the
> person with whose name it is associated). Once we have a sufficiently high
> density of these POIs on a map, it becomes significantly more usable for
> localized orientation.
>
> These locally important POIs also appear to be how proprietary providers
> like Google Maps handles directions for poorly addressed parts of the world
> as well. If anyone has more on how they do it, I'd be very keen to read
> about it.
>
> From there we built a BETA of something presently called 
> CaerusGEO which
> allows us to place gridsquares over OSM and generate an Atlas from it. This
> gives us the ability to place manageable, easy to orient paper maps in the
> hands of those institutions (government, ngo, business) that want to
> collect data with a higher order of precision. It is orders of magnitude
> more precision than how data is presently collected, but also significantly
> less precise than were street addressing available.
>
> A sample use case for this solution might be crime mapping. Police officer
> or NGO uses 'social POIs' to orient on a map (paper or mobile) where
> streets are traced but lack names and addresses. They mark an 'X' and
> incident number where the event occurred by orienting off of the POIs that
> have been placed there, then they upload to view heat maps and other
> visualizations on top of OSM through the system.
>
> This would likely be an extremely poor solution for mail handling,
> however, where the level of fidelity required must be extremely precise
> rather than approximated. So again, I think it depends upon the precise
> problem set that one is trying to overcome in the absence of addresses and
> the level of acceptable fidelity for that use case.
>
> Did you have a specific use case in mind? Or is your aim to develop a more
> holistic alternative to street addressing entirely?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 7:21 AM, bibekshres...@gmail.com <
> bibekshres...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The mail raises an interesting issue. For developing nations like Nepal,
>> waiting for local administration to start mapping and give names to the
>> streets take quite a long time.
>>
>> I would be interested to know if someone has an alternative solution that
>> is modern enough (digital) independent of local administration and easier
>> to do with a click of a button - online.
>>
>> --
>> Bibek Shrestha
>> bibekshrestha at gmail dot com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/bibstha
>> "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.", Eames to
>> Arthur, Inception 2010
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Ben Abelshausen <
>> ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>>>
 Use OSM as a base for a local campaign ...
>>>
>>>
>>> That is something that worked very will in Yaoundé, Cameroon. Showing
>>> the OSM-tools, maps, OsmAnd can really get things going! In Cameroon people
>>> were very impressed with what was possible with little resources using OSM!
>>>
>>> This could be a very good way for you to start...
>>>
>>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Ben Abelshausen
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[Andrew Errington]

Korea recently (about 5 years ago) moved from a block-based address
system (like Japan has), to a street-name based system, such as the UK
and US have.  Streets and roads across the entire country were named
(most didn't have a name), new street signs were installed and new
house number plaques were attached to buildings and gates.  It was a
massive undertaking, but it's now complete.  The post office will
still deliver to old-style addresses, but obviously these will fade
from use over time.

I suppose my point there is that the house-number+street-name address
system might be the most obvious one for you, but if you don't have
street names then you must get local government and local people
involved.

The upside is that you can offer a working system to record these
addresses once they are defined: OSM.  Once they are recorded then you
get free mapping, free lookup and geocoding, and free routing.

Best wishes,

Andrew

On 04/09/2013, bimal maharjan  wrote:
> @Martin
>
> That is the problem we have in our place. We do not get mails or letters in
> our home because our home cannot be identified. If somehow identified it
> cannot navigated and reached. We can't receive the mails and letters let
> alone any other benefits of having proper address system.
>
> Cheers!
> Bimal
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/4 bimal maharjan 
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I think my last email was not clear.
>>>
>>> I am from Nepal and we do not have standard address system (let alone
>>> online) .I want to know how this problem can be solved and how the same
>>> problem has been solved in other developing countries. Perhaps some must
>>> be
>>> working for it.
>>>
>>> I am researching to find out about the organizations or professionals or
>>> start ups who are working to solve the problem of "no standard and
>>> accessible address system" in the developing countries.
>>>
>>
>>
>> how does addressing work in your region? What has someone to write on a
>> letter to make sure it arrives at your place? Maybe people are sending
>> letters to post offices or pubs or shops and the addressee will then pick
>> it up?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Martin
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers!
> Bimal
>

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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] HOT house hack - Mon-Fri next week near Worksop

[Joseph Reeves]

Hi all,

It seems that Internet connectivity is an issue for a number of people -
I'm expecting to have a number of MiFis with Data SIMs delivered for us to
use in the bunk house. They're being donated, so I've promised that we're
not going to be pushing gigabytes around, but there should be plenty for
email, JOSM, github, etc.

Cheers, Joseph


On 4 September 2013 12:04, Harry Wood  wrote:

> Ladies and gentlemen
>
> You remember the HOT HOUSE HACK plan? :
>
> Humanitarian hackers are gathering in a bunkhouse near Worksop in the days
> following State Of The Map (staying Monday night through to Thursday
> night).  Hunkered down in this countryside "basic accommodation", we'll be
> working on all sorts of tools in and around HOT and OpenStreetMap in
> general. We'll also be hacking on documentation, and discussing processes
> to improve the way we bring maps to the world. We maybe be doing a bit of
> disaster simulating (particularly regarding poor internet connection!) and
> we'll certainly get out for some fresh air and mapping in the countryside
> too. Apart from anything else it will be a great way to prolong the
> face-to-face time we get at State Of The Map, and socialise with felling
> OpenStreetMap enthusiasts.
>
> Why am I telling you this?  Well we had a few last minute drop-outs.
> Obviously this is pretty short notice but if you're within easy travelling
> distance, or if you're already in Birmingham for SOTM and in the week
> following the conference, come join in with the HOT house hack! For more
> details go to this hackpad:
>
> https://hackpad.com/HOT-House-2013-lm1cEL25GKl
>
>
> If you'd like to join in, you can edit the hack pad to put your name on
> the list. Maybe drop us an email too.
>
> Hope to be seeing some of you soon!
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[Matt McNabb]

Hi Bimal

The problem you've raised is something I have faced almost everywhere I
work. As the paper that you
cited
and
the LA Times Article
 noted
on the wiki suggests, the absence of systematic street addressing poses a
major challenge for certain government and business functions; precisely
why organizations like the World Bank have invested so much in systematic
addressing 
efforts.
That said, you're right... this is way too slow and unreliable for most
people to wait on it.

The way that we always end up having to face this is by mapping key POIs
that are important for local map orientation or direction giving. This can
be difficult because of classifications and visibility of those icons for
less traditional POIs (eg things like near 'the mango tree' that might no
longer physically exist, or a housing compound no longer inhabited by the
person with whose name it is associated). Once we have a sufficiently high
density of these POIs on a map, it becomes significantly more usable for
localized orientation.

These locally important POIs also appear to be how proprietary providers
like Google Maps handles directions for poorly addressed parts of the world
as well. If anyone has more on how they do it, I'd be very keen to read
about it.

>From there we built a BETA of something presently called
CaerusGEO which
allows us to place gridsquares over OSM and generate an Atlas from it. This
gives us the ability to place manageable, easy to orient paper maps in the
hands of those institutions (government, ngo, business) that want to
collect data with a higher order of precision. It is orders of magnitude
more precision than how data is presently collected, but also significantly
less precise than were street addressing available.

A sample use case for this solution might be crime mapping. Police officer
or NGO uses 'social POIs' to orient on a map (paper or mobile) where
streets are traced but lack names and addresses. They mark an 'X' and
incident number where the event occurred by orienting off of the POIs that
have been placed there, then they upload to view heat maps and other
visualizations on top of OSM through the system.

This would likely be an extremely poor solution for mail handling, however,
where the level of fidelity required must be extremely precise rather than
approximated. So again, I think it depends upon the precise problem set
that one is trying to overcome in the absence of addresses and the level of
acceptable fidelity for that use case.

Did you have a specific use case in mind? Or is your aim to develop a more
holistic alternative to street addressing entirely?

Matt



On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 7:21 AM, bibekshres...@gmail.com <
bibekshres...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The mail raises an interesting issue. For developing nations like Nepal,
> waiting for local administration to start mapping and give names to the
> streets take quite a long time.
>
> I would be interested to know if someone has an alternative solution that
> is modern enough (digital) independent of local administration and easier
> to do with a click of a button - online.
>
> --
> Bibek Shrestha
> bibekshrestha at gmail dot com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/bibstha
> "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.", Eames to
> Arthur, Inception 2010
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Ben Abelshausen <
> ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Lester Caine  wrote:
>>
>>> Use OSM as a base for a local campaign ...
>>
>>
>> That is something that worked very will in Yaoundé, Cameroon. Showing the
>> OSM-tools, maps, OsmAnd can really get things going! In Cameroon people
>> were very impressed with what was possible with little resources using OSM!
>>
>> This could be a very good way for you to start...
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ben Abelshausen
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[bibekshres...@gmail.com]

The mail raises an interesting issue. For developing nations like Nepal,
waiting for local administration to start mapping and give names to the
streets take quite a long time.

I would be interested to know if someone has an alternative solution that
is modern enough (digital) independent of local administration and easier
to do with a click of a button - online.

--
Bibek Shrestha
bibekshrestha at gmail dot com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/bibstha
"You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.", Eames to
Arthur, Inception 2010


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Ben Abelshausen
wrote:

>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Lester Caine  wrote:
>
>> Use OSM as a base for a local campaign ...
>
>
> That is something that worked very will in Yaoundé, Cameroon. Showing the
> OSM-tools, maps, OsmAnd can really get things going! In Cameroon people
> were very impressed with what was possible with little resources using OSM!
>
> This could be a very good way for you to start...
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
>
> Ben Abelshausen
>
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[OSM-talk] HOT house hack - Mon-Fri next week near Worksop

[Harry Wood]

Ladies and gentlemen

You remember the HOT HOUSE HACK plan? :

Humanitarian hackers are gathering in a bunkhouse near Worksop in the days 
following State Of The Map (staying Monday night through to Thursday night).  
Hunkered down in this countryside "basic accommodation", we'll be working on 
all sorts of tools in and around HOT and OpenStreetMap in general. We'll also 
be hacking on documentation, and discussing processes to improve the way we 
bring maps to the world. We maybe be doing a bit of disaster simulating 
(particularly regarding poor internet connection!) and we'll certainly get out 
for some fresh air and mapping in the countryside too. Apart from anything else 
it will be a great way to prolong the face-to-face time we get at State Of The 
Map, and socialise with felling OpenStreetMap enthusiasts.

Why am I telling you this?  Well we had a few last minute drop-outs. Obviously 
this is pretty short notice but if you're within easy travelling distance, or 
if you're already in Birmingham for SOTM and in the week following the 
conference, come join in with the HOT house hack! For more details go to this 
hackpad:

https://hackpad.com/HOT-House-2013-lm1cEL25GKl


If you'd like to join in, you can edit the hack pad to put your name on the 
list. Maybe drop us an email too.

Hope to be seeing some of you soon!

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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[Ben Abelshausen]

On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Lester Caine  wrote:

> Use OSM as a base for a local campaign ...


That is something that worked very will in Yaoundé, Cameroon. Showing the
OSM-tools, maps, OsmAnd can really get things going! In Cameroon people
were very impressed with what was possible with little resources using OSM!

This could be a very good way for you to start...

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[Lester Caine]

bimal maharjan wrote:

I understand that OSM as a whole does not define the address system. But I am
taking help from our community members to find out about organizations or
professionals or start ups who are working on this problem so that I can contact
them to learn more about the solution to this problem.


Bimal - I am sure that will be other areas which have the same problem as you.

I think that the only solution to this is something that requires action at a 
'higher level'. Obviously the ideal is government level, but if there is no 
interest at that level you will need to organise at a lower one. Since you are 
looking for someone to deliver items to you, the starting point could be talking 
to them.


Perhaps it's time to set up a local 'mapping' group as a base to work from to 
both improve the map so people can find you just by giving them your location. 
And then expand on that by agreeing locally on what to call roads ...

Use OSM as a base for a local campaign ...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[bimal maharjan]

Hi Peter,

I understand that OSM as a whole does not define the address system. But I
am taking help from our community members to find out about organizations
or professionals or start ups who are working on this problem so that I can
contact them to learn more about the solution to this problem.

Cheers!
Bimal



On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote:

> Hi Bimal,
>
> I'm still not sure what you search for.
> As far as I know and as far as I understand the problem you refer to,
> OSM as a whole is not searching for solutions.
>
> OSM is not defining addresses, but collecting addresses with their
> correspondent location.
> For some countries, everywhere where addresses with some kind of
> "numbering" scheme exists that works fine, in many others this fails,
> due to missing street names, missing house number organizations and so on.
> In some countries the people use different "addressing schemes" like
> reference points, and for reference points there has been a discussion
> on the tagging-mailinglist before - started on 20th of March 2012 by
> Felix Delattre.
>
> So IMHO OSM may collect addresses even in different formats, if that
> seems reasonable, but it cannot "invent" "standardized" addresses for
> countries where these don't exist.
>
> regards
> Peter
>
> Am 04.09.2013 10:57, schrieb bimal maharjan:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I think my last email was not clear.
> >
> > I am from Nepal and we do not have standard address system (let alone
> > online) .I want to know how this problem can be solved and how the same
> > problem has been solved in other developing countries. Perhaps some must
> be
> > working for it.
> >
> > I am researching to find out about the organizations or professionals or
> > start ups who are working to solve the problem of "no standard and
> > accessible address system" in the developing countries.
> >
> >  While trying to find out who is trying to solve this problem, I found
> the
> > organization named *Universal Post Union*, which is working on an
> > initiative "*"Adressing the world, an address for
> > everyone"<
> http://www.upu.int/fileadmin/documentsFiles/activities/addressingAssistance/paperAddressingAddressingTheWorldAnAddressForEveryoneEn.pdf
> >
> > * .
> >
> > I was wondering somebody from the openstreetmap community must be
> involved
> > or know about the ways to solve the problem. If somebody knows and have
> > innovative solutions for this then please share.
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Bimal
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:34 PM, bimal maharjan 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> The developing countries have the address problem.
> >>
> >> I read about the initiative called "address for everyone". Below is the
> >> link.
> >>
> >>
> http://www.upu.int/fileadmin/documentsFiles/activities/addressingAssistance/paperAddressingAddressingTheWorldAnAddressForEveryoneEn.pdf
> >>
> >> I want to know whether there are any professionals or start ups or
> >> development agencies working to solve this problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers!
> >> Bimal
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[Peter Wendorff]

Hi Bimal,

I'm still not sure what you search for.
As far as I know and as far as I understand the problem you refer to,
OSM as a whole is not searching for solutions.

OSM is not defining addresses, but collecting addresses with their
correspondent location.
For some countries, everywhere where addresses with some kind of
"numbering" scheme exists that works fine, in many others this fails,
due to missing street names, missing house number organizations and so on.
In some countries the people use different "addressing schemes" like
reference points, and for reference points there has been a discussion
on the tagging-mailinglist before - started on 20th of March 2012 by
Felix Delattre.

So IMHO OSM may collect addresses even in different formats, if that
seems reasonable, but it cannot "invent" "standardized" addresses for
countries where these don't exist.

regards
Peter

Am 04.09.2013 10:57, schrieb bimal maharjan:
> Hi All,
> 
> I think my last email was not clear.
> 
> I am from Nepal and we do not have standard address system (let alone
> online) .I want to know how this problem can be solved and how the same
> problem has been solved in other developing countries. Perhaps some must be
> working for it.
> 
> I am researching to find out about the organizations or professionals or
> start ups who are working to solve the problem of "no standard and
> accessible address system" in the developing countries.
> 
>  While trying to find out who is trying to solve this problem, I found the
> organization named *Universal Post Union*, which is working on an
> initiative "*"Adressing the world, an address for
> everyone"
> * .
> 
> I was wondering somebody from the openstreetmap community must be involved
> or know about the ways to solve the problem. If somebody knows and have
> innovative solutions for this then please share.
> 
> Cheers!
> Bimal
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:34 PM, bimal maharjan  wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The developing countries have the address problem.
>>
>> I read about the initiative called "address for everyone". Below is the
>> link.
>>
>> http://www.upu.int/fileadmin/documentsFiles/activities/addressingAssistance/paperAddressingAddressingTheWorldAnAddressForEveryoneEn.pdf
>>
>> I want to know whether there are any professionals or start ups or
>> development agencies working to solve this problem.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers!
>> Bimal
>>
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[Pieren]

On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:28 AM, bimal maharjan  wrote:

> We can't receive the mails and letters let
> alone any other benefits of having proper address system.

I'm not sure that the OSM mailing lists is the right place to discuss
such things. First, create an address system in your country, then we
can talk here about how we can represent this system into OSM. I'm
sure they are plenty of organizations around the world who can help
defining such systems for developing countries. Until then, the
suggestion from Bryce to use "reference points" is not so bad.

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[bimal maharjan]

@Ben: what are the actions taken or being taken in Bangladesh. If the
Government is too slow( in most of the countries like in Nepal,  Government
does not even move)  to do the job of assigning the proper addresses then
what are other actions that can be taken so that people can tell "where
they leave". You know anybody working on this problem?


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Ben Abelshausen
wrote:

> When I was in Bangladesh there was a similar problem: 'how to tell other
> people where i live'. Some people in one of the bigger slums in Dhaka said
> it would already be a big step to just have proper streetnames and then
> work from there...
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
>
> Ben Abelshausen
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:57 AM, bimal maharjan wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think my last email was not clear.
>>
>> I am from Nepal and we do not have standard address system (let alone
>> online) .I want to know how this problem can be solved and how the same
>> problem has been solved in other developing countries. Perhaps some must be
>> working for it.
>>
>> I am researching to find out about the organizations or professionals or
>> start ups who are working to solve the problem of "no standard and
>> accessible address system" in the developing countries.
>>
>>  While trying to find out who is trying to solve this problem, I found
>> the organization named *Universal Post Union*, which is working on an
>> initiative "*"Adressing the world, an address for 
>> everyone"
>> * .
>>
>> I was wondering somebody from the openstreetmap community must be
>> involved or know about the ways to solve the problem. If somebody knows and
>> have innovative solutions for this then please share.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Bimal
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:34 PM, bimal maharjan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> The developing countries have the address problem.
>>>
>>> I read about the initiative called "address for everyone". Below is the
>>> link.
>>>
>>> http://www.upu.int/fileadmin/documentsFiles/activities/addressingAssistance/paperAddressingAddressingTheWorldAnAddressForEveryoneEn.pdf
>>>
>>> I want to know whether there are any professionals or start ups or
>>> development agencies working to solve this problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers!
>>> Bimal
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers!
>> Bimal
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[bimal maharjan]

@Martin

That is the problem we have in our place. We do not get mails or letters in
our home because our home cannot be identified. If somehow identified it
cannot navigated and reached. We can't receive the mails and letters let
alone any other benefits of having proper address system.

Cheers!
Bimal


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:

>
>
>
> 2013/9/4 bimal maharjan 
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think my last email was not clear.
>>
>> I am from Nepal and we do not have standard address system (let alone
>> online) .I want to know how this problem can be solved and how the same
>> problem has been solved in other developing countries. Perhaps some must be
>> working for it.
>>
>> I am researching to find out about the organizations or professionals or
>> start ups who are working to solve the problem of "no standard and
>> accessible address system" in the developing countries.
>>
>
>
> how does addressing work in your region? What has someone to write on a
> letter to make sure it arrives at your place? Maybe people are sending
> letters to post offices or pubs or shops and the addressee will then pick
> it up?
>
> cheers,
> Martin
>



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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[Ben Abelshausen]

When I was in Bangladesh there was a similar problem: 'how to tell other
people where i live'. Some people in one of the bigger slums in Dhaka said
it would already be a big step to just have proper streetnames and then
work from there...

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:57 AM, bimal maharjan  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I think my last email was not clear.
>
> I am from Nepal and we do not have standard address system (let alone
> online) .I want to know how this problem can be solved and how the same
> problem has been solved in other developing countries. Perhaps some must be
> working for it.
>
> I am researching to find out about the organizations or professionals or
> start ups who are working to solve the problem of "no standard and
> accessible address system" in the developing countries.
>
>  While trying to find out who is trying to solve this problem, I found the
> organization named *Universal Post Union*, which is working on an
> initiative "*"Adressing the world, an address for 
> everyone"
> * .
>
> I was wondering somebody from the openstreetmap community must be involved
> or know about the ways to solve the problem. If somebody knows and have
> innovative solutions for this then please share.
>
> Cheers!
> Bimal
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:34 PM, bimal maharjan wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The developing countries have the address problem.
>>
>> I read about the initiative called "address for everyone". Below is the
>> link.
>>
>> http://www.upu.int/fileadmin/documentsFiles/activities/addressingAssistance/paperAddressingAddressingTheWorldAnAddressForEveryoneEn.pdf
>>
>> I want to know whether there are any professionals or start ups or
>> development agencies working to solve this problem.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers!
>> Bimal
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Bimal
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2013/9/4 bimal maharjan 

> Hi All,
>
> I think my last email was not clear.
>
> I am from Nepal and we do not have standard address system (let alone
> online) .I want to know how this problem can be solved and how the same
> problem has been solved in other developing countries. Perhaps some must be
> working for it.
>
> I am researching to find out about the organizations or professionals or
> start ups who are working to solve the problem of "no standard and
> accessible address system" in the developing countries.
>


how does addressing work in your region? What has someone to write on a
letter to make sure it arrives at your place? Maybe people are sending
letters to post offices or pubs or shops and the addressee will then pick
it up?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

[bimal maharjan]

Hi All,

I think my last email was not clear.

I am from Nepal and we do not have standard address system (let alone
online) .I want to know how this problem can be solved and how the same
problem has been solved in other developing countries. Perhaps some must be
working for it.

I am researching to find out about the organizations or professionals or
start ups who are working to solve the problem of "no standard and
accessible address system" in the developing countries.

 While trying to find out who is trying to solve this problem, I found the
organization named *Universal Post Union*, which is working on an
initiative "*"Adressing the world, an address for
everyone"
* .

I was wondering somebody from the openstreetmap community must be involved
or know about the ways to solve the problem. If somebody knows and have
innovative solutions for this then please share.

Cheers!
Bimal


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:34 PM, bimal maharjan  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The developing countries have the address problem.
>
> I read about the initiative called "address for everyone". Below is the
> link.
>
> http://www.upu.int/fileadmin/documentsFiles/activities/addressingAssistance/paperAddressingAddressingTheWorldAnAddressForEveryoneEn.pdf
>
> I want to know whether there are any professionals or start ups or
> development agencies working to solve this problem.
>
>
> --
> Cheers!
> Bimal
>



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