Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
Am 17.07.2014 22:01, schrieb Richard Fairhurst: > colliar wrote: >> 1. How are separate drawn cycleways next to roads handled ? > > It prefers cycleways to roads, so it'll usually route via the cycleways > (assuming they're properly connected). It makes a real difference if you have a cycletrack along side a primary route or a cycleway through the fields. In a city you often prefer calm residential roads over cycleways along side major roads. In this way the routing does not find many smarter, saver and shorter + faster routes. >> 2. Neither traffic_light/crossing nor shape turns are evaluated. > > There's a routing penalty for traffic lights. Well, how about crossing=* ? In my region there are no traffic_signals map on cycleways but crossing=traffic_signal together with highway=traffic_signal or highway=crossing on the common node of cycleway and road. > Not sure what you mean by "shape turns" - can you explain? Sorry, was a typo. I meant sharp turns. I found a route where in favour of the cycleway the route leads down a ramp, makes a u-turn (radius < 2.5m otherwise you fall into the river) and on the next bridge the same, first 180° turn than uphill a ramp and two more turns. >> 3. I would like to show you some examples but I did not find >> any link/shortlink feature. Are gpx tracks any help ? > > You can log into the site and save routes that way - that's probably the > best way! Please, have an option to share the route without logging in. Thanks colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
2014-07-17 22:02 GMT+02:00 Richard Fairhurst : > sabas88 wrote: > > it looks really nice! > > Thanks! :) > > > One quick note, it's possible to have routes (also) in metric units? > > Yep, definitely. I'm working on making it the default for Europe but, for > now, you can log in and set your user profile to prefer kilometres. > > Just did it, nice, thanks again! > cheers > Richard > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/cycle-travel-bike-routing-for-Western-Europe-tp5811759p5811797.html > Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
sabas88 wrote: > it looks really nice! Thanks! :) > One quick note, it's possible to have routes (also) in metric units? Yep, definitely. I'm working on making it the default for Europe but, for now, you can log in and set your user profile to prefer kilometres. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/cycle-travel-bike-routing-for-Western-Europe-tp5811759p5811797.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
colliar wrote: > 1. How are separate drawn cycleways next to roads handled ? It prefers cycleways to roads, so it'll usually route via the cycleways (assuming they're properly connected). > 2. Neither traffic_light/crossing nor shape turns are evaluated. There's a routing penalty for traffic lights. Not sure what you mean by "shape turns" - can you explain? > 3. I would like to show you some examples but I did not find > any link/shortlink feature. Are gpx tracks any help ? You can log into the site and save routes that way - that's probably the best way! cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/cycle-travel-bike-routing-for-Western-Europe-tp5811759p5811796.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
2014-07-17 15:13 GMT+02:00 Richard Fairhurst : > Hi all, > > I'm really pleased to announce that http://cycle.travel/ now has > OSM-based cycle routing for Western Europe: France, the Netherlands, > Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Austria, Italy, Spain, > Portugal, the UK and Ireland. > > You can try it here: > http://cycle.travel/map > > Hi Richard, it looks really nice! One quick note, it's possible to have routes (also) in metric units? > > cheers > Richard > > Thanks, Stefano > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
Maarten Deen wrote: > So, can't I just ask shortest or quickest road? As you say, the > router has no idea about traffic levels. I mean, if a router can't > give me either shortest or quickest, then I always think I get > some random route that is not optimal in any aspect. Nope, it doesn't and won't do that I'm afraid. If you want the shortest, quickest route, which presupposes that you're happy cycling along busy main roads, this isn't the router for you. cycle.travel is designed for people who want a more leisurely and enjoyable ride. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/cycle-travel-bike-routing-for-Western-Europe-tp5811759p5811790.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
Am 17.07.2014 20:14, schrieb Maarten Deen: > On 2014-07-17 16:38, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> Maarten Deen wrote: Thanks for an online bicyle routing. >>> It's nice and fast! But it is not really apt in finding shortest or >>> quickest routes. +1 >>> I entered my daily commute (from 51.3207,5.9888 to 51.5428,5.9827, >>> permalink does not work properly) and it comes with a (for me new) >>> route of 18.3 miles (=29.45 km) in 2:02. >>> If I move the route to what I actually do, I get 17.9 miles and 1:59. >>> And there are no paths or tracks in either route. >> >> The route it chooses has an off-road cycleway for more of the route >> (all the >> way to Eijkenhofweg) and then highway=unclassified (Steegse Peelweg), >> whereas the 17.9-mile route has more highway=tertiary (Loorban and >> Veulenseweg). In general cycle.travel prefers a balanced route using >> traffic-free and quiet roads, rather than just trying to find the >> shortest >> or quickest route along busier roads. I find several problems. 1. How are separate drawn cycleways next to roads handled ? 2. Neither traffic_light/crossing nor shape turns are evaluated. 3. I would like to show you some examples but I did not find any link/shortlink feature. Are gpx tracks any help ? > So, can't I just ask shortest or quickest road? As you say, the router > has no idea about traffic levels. I mean, if a router can't give me > either shortest or quickest, then I always think I get some random route > that is not optimal in any aspect. +1 Cheers colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
On 2014-07-17 16:38, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Maarten Deen wrote: It's nice and fast! But it is not really apt in finding shortest or quickest routes. I entered my daily commute (from 51.3207,5.9888 to 51.5428,5.9827, permalink does not work properly) and it comes with a (for me new) route of 18.3 miles (=29.45 km) in 2:02. If I move the route to what I actually do, I get 17.9 miles and 1:59. And there are no paths or tracks in either route. The route it chooses has an off-road cycleway for more of the route (all the way to Eijkenhofweg) and then highway=unclassified (Steegse Peelweg), whereas the 17.9-mile route has more highway=tertiary (Loorban and Veulenseweg). In general cycle.travel prefers a balanced route using traffic-free and quiet roads, rather than just trying to find the shortest or quickest route along busier roads. So, can't I just ask shortest or quickest road? As you say, the router has no idea about traffic levels. I mean, if a router can't give me either shortest or quickest, then I always think I get some random route that is not optimal in any aspect. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
Maarten Deen wrote: > It's nice and fast! But it is not really apt in finding shortest or > quickest routes. > I entered my daily commute (from 51.3207,5.9888 to 51.5428,5.9827, > permalink does not work properly) and it comes with a (for me new) > route of 18.3 miles (=29.45 km) in 2:02. > If I move the route to what I actually do, I get 17.9 miles and 1:59. > And there are no paths or tracks in either route. The route it chooses has an off-road cycleway for more of the route (all the way to Eijkenhofweg) and then highway=unclassified (Steegse Peelweg), whereas the 17.9-mile route has more highway=tertiary (Loorban and Veulenseweg). In general cycle.travel prefers a balanced route using traffic-free and quiet roads, rather than just trying to find the shortest or quickest route along busier roads. Of course, it would be good if we tagged average motor traffic levels on roads. :) >> and if you log in, you can save/share your planned routes (and change >> your user preferences from miles to km ). > Do you really have to create an account just for that? Miles is a very UK > and US thing, it is not used anywhere on mainland europe. Can't you just > use km when you plan a route on mainland europe or set a cookie? Oh absolutely, I just haven't had time to do that yet. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/cycle-travel-bike-routing-for-Western-Europe-tp5811759p5811765.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm really pleased to announce that http://cycle.travel/ now has > OSM-based cycle routing for Western Europe: France, the Netherlands, > Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Austria, Italy, > Spain, Portugal, the UK and Ireland. > > You can try it here: > http://cycle.travel/map It's nice and fast! But it is not really apt in finding shortest or quickest routes. I entered my daily commute (from 51.3207,5.9888 to 51.5428,5.9827, permalink does not work properly) and it comes with a (for me new) route of 18.3 miles (=29.45 km) in 2:02. If I move the route to what I actually do, I get 17.9 miles and 1:59. And there are no paths or tracks in either route. > and if you log in, you can save/share your planned routes (and change > your user preferences from miles to km ). Do you really have to create an account just for that? Miles is a very UK and US thing, it is not used anywhere on mainland europe. Can't you just use km when you plan a route on mainland europe or set a cookie? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] cycle.travel bike routing for Western Europe
Hi all, I'm really pleased to announce that http://cycle.travel/ now has OSM-based cycle routing for Western Europe: France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Austria, Italy, Spain, Portugal, the UK and Ireland. You can try it here: http://cycle.travel/map and if you log in, you can save/share your planned routes (and change your user preferences from miles to km ). It's built with (patched) OSRM and a complex custom profile. It takes account of elevation, cycle routes, surface quality and more. All routes are fully draggable and you can export to GPX, TCX, and PDF. The cartography is specially designed for the site. == Routing details == If it doesn't follow a route you'd expect it to take, this is usually because surface tags are missing. For example, at http://cycle.travel/map?lat=50.0181&lon=2.0333&zoom=15, the canalside path is tagged as 'highway=path' with no surface tags. cycle.travel assumes that paths in rural areas have poor quality surfaces, so will try not to route along them. Adding a 'surface=gravel' to this path, which the aerial imagery suggests, will make the router like it. (Access tags are also good.) == Miscellaneous notes == - The tileserver is a little slow - please be gentle! - There are occasional inconsistencies in the tiles - old styles that haven't refreshed yet. - You can't route between the UK and mainland Europe (there's a big lake in the way. Only Chris Froome is allowed to cycle through the tunnel and look how far it got him) - I'm planning on weekly updates but it'll be less often at first. - Known issue with highway=trunk, bicycle=yes getting undue prominence. - Known issue with fahrradstrassen/fietsstraten not being prioritised. Still lots to improve but I hope you like it - and, as ever, thanks to all the mappers who have contributed all the lovely data. You can post comments/bugs/suggestions at http://cycle.travel/forum/2 . cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
