Re: [Talk-es] OsmAnd ¿Error en los ficheros de países?

2015-08-28 Thread Luis García Castro
El 28 de agosto de 2015, 10:38, El fotógrafo giróvago 
elfotografogirov...@gmail.com escribió:

 ¿Es un error de la app en mi terminal o es un bug de la aplicación?

 Uso la versión 2.1.1 de OsmAnd en un Android 4.4.2


En OsmAnd+ 2.1.1 con Android 5.1.1 no me pasa eso :-\


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[Talk-de] Multiple Adressen für ein Gebäude / addr:place / place node / rendering

2015-08-28 Thread Florian Lohoff

Hi,
ich weiss ich breche hier wieder eine Religiöse Diskussion vom Zaun -
Ich erhoffe mir das jemand vielleicht noch eine Lösung hat die schöner
in der Karte aussieht.

Es gibt das Haus Bergfried, 54538 Bausendorf - Das steht mitten im
Wald und hat gleich mehrere Adressen.

Postalisch laut eigener Angabe:

Bergstraße 37, 54538 Bausendorf

Landesvermessungsamt - Nach Webatlas

Haus Bergfried 0, 54538 Bausendorf

Dazu gibt es noch beliebige Spielarten mit - Haus Bergfrieden oder
Haus Bergfrieden 0

Postalische Adresse ist einfach - Die habe ich einfach auf einen Node
gepackt. Der Weg vor der Tür ist zwar nur ein Wirtschaftsweg/Hauszufahrt
aber die Bergstraße ist ja nicht so weit weg als das das ungültig wäre.
Das Kataster kennt die Hausnummer 37 im überigen nicht.

Das mit Haus Bergfrieden 0, 54538 Bausendorf ist dann schon
schwieriger. Am Ende ist das ja ein place - keine Straße. Um so eine 
Adresse in den Nominatim index zu bekommen braucht es einen place node.
Also einen place node mit place=locality, name=Haus Bergfried,
alt_name=Haus Bergfrieden - Dann einen addr node mit
uaddr:place=Haus Bergfried addr:housenumber=0

Damit sind 

Bergstraße 37, 54538 Bausendorf
Haus Bergfried, 54538 Bausendorf
Haus Bergfried 0, 54538 Bausendorf
Haus Bergfrieden, 54538 Bausendorf
Haus Bergfrieden 0, 54538 Bausendorf

Auflösbar und landen an der richtigen Stelle. Das mit dem housenumber=0 
ist meine ich noch eine Nominatim Geschichte.

Problem ist jetzt das in der gerenderten Karte das

a) Haus Bergfried sowohl vom name auf dem Gebäude wie auch vom place
gerendert wird
b) in Höheren zoomstufen das Haus Bergfried durch die Hausnummer 0
verdrängt wird 

Ich persöhnlich finde ja wichtiger das der Geocoder für alle möglichen
eingaben mir ein vernünftiges Ergebniss liefert - Aber schön ist was
anderes.

Wenn addr:full mal geht dann kann man da ein wenig aufräumen und
entsprechend die mutiplen adressen unterbringen.

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Dutch] AmsGeoDrinks - Zeppos do 27 aug

2015-08-28 Thread Henk Hoff
Ik kon er helaas niet bij zijn :-(

@Steven: veel plezier in de VS. Dank voor al je inzet tbv OS-Geo en OSM hier in 
Nederland.

Groet,
Henk

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Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Dutch] AmsGeoDrinks - Zeppos do 27 aug

Voor degenen die er niet bij waren: we hebben op een passende wijze uitgeleide 
gedaan van Steven!
Hier de bewijzen:
* http://www.meetup.com/AmsGeoDrinks/photos/26367142/441356154/?a=pu3.2_l
* http://www.meetup.com/AmsGeoDrinks/photos/26367142/441356179/?a=pu3.2_l

Voor wie de tekst op de tweede foto beter wil lezen:
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/dutch/2007-October/00.html

Groeten,

Frank

On 25-8-2015 15:11, Just van den Broecke wrote:
 Op 27/8 weer een Amsterdam Geo Drinks ter ere van vertrek ons 
 voormalig OSGeo.nl bestuurslid Steven naar USA DC, opgeven op

 http://www.meetup.com/AmsGeoDrinks/events/224785253

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] couche OSM pour parking/ stationnement?

2015-08-28 Thread Christian Quest
A la vue de l'ortho (si elle est encore d'acutalité), le highway + area
est clairement abusif. On a des arbres en plein milieu, une place de
marché et même une cabine téléphonique d'après OSM.

La Place du jeu de ballon qui se trouve à proximité n'est pas bien
correcte non plus, c'est clairement un parking bien plus qu'un espace
piétonnier, même si comme sur tout parking les piétons peuvent circuler
librement.

La Place Saussine est elle aussi clairement mal taguée... les voitures
ne peuvent pas y circuler librement en tout sens.

Place des Docteurs Dax, là aussi avec des arbres au milieu, on ne peut
donc pas circuler en tout sens et le polygone est inadapté.



On 27/08/2015 10:32, Jérôme Seigneuret wrote:
 Voici la zone en
 question 
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33386830#map=19/43.78437/4.09067
 que j'avais commencé à retoucher...
 C'est un cas que j'ai trouvé et tenter de corriger à minima (il y a 10
 jours de ça) mais il y a d'autres cas qui remontent trop loin pour que
 je m'en souvienne. C'est pas dans mes changesets car je n'y ai pas
 touché ne sachant pas quoi faire.

 Pour ce cas, j'avais laissé la place du Jeu de Ballon en
 highway=pedestrian (ce qui n'est pas correct à mon avis) mais les
 circulations sur la place de la République sont pas mal aussi.
 Peut-être que c'est gérable via une relation avec des inner et
 outer... Mais ça mérite un autre sujet pour le suivi et un
 enrichissement du wiki (si le cas n'est pas déjà présent mais j'ai
 rien trouvé. Il y a surement des personnes plus calé que moi sur le
 sujet pour apporter une solution).

 Merci


 Le 27 août 2015 10:02, Jérôme Seigneuret jseigneuret-...@yahoo.fr
 mailto:jseigneuret-...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

 Je recherche ça dans mes groupes de modifications et je mettrais
 ça en lien

 Le 26 août 2015 22:13, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr
 mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit :

 Il est où cet exemple ? J'ai du mal à me représenter un tel cas.



 On 26/08/2015 16:48, Jérôme Seigneuret wrote:
 Le 26 août 2015 16:25, Christian Quest
 cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a
 écrit :

 Dans ce cas, il faut tout garder (highway, area, amenity)

  
 Dans ce cas c'est Osmose et JOSM qui vont pas être content.
 Mais bon on peut faire avec.
  

 ou bien descendre un cran en plus dans le niveau de
 détail du mapping pour séparer la surface du parking de
 la voie de circulation environnante car si il y a un
 parking au milieu de la place c'est qu'on la contourne
 quand on circule...

  
 Pas vraiment dans mon cas la place et le parking sont confondus.

 Si je veux ajouter un parking_aisle je crois qu'il faut gérer
 des contraintes de superposition au niveau des jonctions de
 la voirie. Je peux ajouter une surface amenity=parking par
 dessus aussi en enlevant le trottoir de séparation de la rue
 et de la place adjecente (60cm de largeur de linéaire). Pas
 de trottoir coté bâti dans mes souvenirs car la place et le
 parking sont contre.

 Cela étant, on peut aussi transférer cette discussion sur un
 autre sujet car j'ai d'autres cas un peu pénible en tête pour
 les places avec une voie de type secondary traversant la
 place avec le même nom et des voies de services qui se rajoute.


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Re: [Talk-de] Multiple Adressen für ein Gebäude / addr:place / place node / rendering

2015-08-28 Thread Christopher Lorenz
Hallo,

scheint ja wirklich ein schwerer fall. Die Adresse Haus Bergfried,
54538 Bausendorf könnte man ja folgendermaßen erfassen

addr:housename=Haus Bergfried
addr:postcode=54538
addr:city=Bausendorf

das kann man dann sogar noch auf dem gleichen Node mit der Postalischen
ergänzen:

addr:street=Bergstraße
addr:housenumber=37

dazu würde ich ggf. noch
name=Haus Bergfried
und
alt_name=Haus Bergfrieden
packen.



addr:place ist mehr für ein Ersatz von Straße würde ich vom gefühl her
nicht nehmen, in DE wird da meist genommen wenn eine kleine Siedlung
existiert, die keinen Straßennamen hat bzw. Straßenname=Ortsname ist.



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] osmose: analyse croisement BANO/OSM à tester... dégommer du rouge autrement

2015-08-28 Thread Christian Quest
J'ai repéré des propositions de fix incorrectes, je vais affiner ça avec
une ou deux tentacule de plus à ma requête postgis tentaculaire ;)


On 27/08/2015 09:50, Florian LAINEZ wrote:
 Merci Christian, très utile.
 Sans surprise on a un très faible taux d'erreur en grande ville VS
 jungle d'erreurs autre part.
 Au boulot !

 Le 26 août 2015 23:55, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr
 mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit :

 On 15/08/2015 19:27, didier2020 wrote:
  cool !
  j'en profite pour te remercier de ces dernieres idees qui sont
 une aide
  précieuse pour les ajouts/corrections
 

 J'ai modifié la requête pour l'analyse osmose s'appuyant sur BANO pour
 signaler les rues manquantes, les nom manquants ou incorrects.

 Elle prend en compte beaucoup plus de cas de figure et on est passé
 surtout de 2600 proposition ajout ou correction de noms à plus de
 2.

 Si la proposition de josm-fix n'est pas correcte, signalez-le
 avec un
 faux-positif, ça me permet ensuite de les passer en revue et de
 rectifier le tir dans ma requête tentaculaire.

 Voici le lien direct pour les propositions d'ajout de noms de rue:
 http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=7170class=32 il y en
 a plus
 de 16000...

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Re: [Talk-es] OsmAnd ¿Error en los ficheros de países?

2015-08-28 Thread Sergio García Villalonga
Buenas,

Es raro, yo tengo la misma versión y no me ocurre. De todas maneras, ¿de
dónde te la has bajado? La versión de Google Play tiene limitaciones
(límite de mapas). Por el contrario, yo me la he bajado de F-Droid (
https://f-droid.org/), que es libre y no tiene ninguna restricción. A parte
de que me funciona bien.

Un saludo,

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2015-08-28 10:38 GMT+02:00 El fotógrafo giróvago 
elfotografogirov...@gmail.com:

 Recientemente he hecho un viaje a portugal y cuando fui a descargarme la
 cartografía fuera de línea del país me encontré que en el directorio de los
 ficheros de Europa aparecían todos los países como Japón en vez de con su
 nombre correcto. De hecho, el de España que ya tengo descargado también
 aparece como Japón en vez de con su nombre correcto.

 ¿Es un error de la app en mi terminal o es un bug de la aplicación?

 Uso la versión 2.1.1 de OsmAnd en un Android 4.4.2

 Saludos y gracias por adelantado.

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[Talk-cz] Kam dávat rozcestníky

2015-08-28 Thread vrs
To mi připomíná problém, kam umisťovat rozcestníky do mapy. Používají se 
totiž dva způsoby:

(1) rozcestník se dá na místo, kde skutečně je - pár metrů od rozcestí, 
křižovatky, cesty
(2) rozcestník se dá do rozcestí, křižovatky, cesty - viz třeba http://www.
openstreetmap.org/node/262122527 (též informační tabule hned vedle)

Standardní a správný způsob je imho (1). Vidíte někdo nějakou výhodu (2)? 
Protože já to považuju za úplný nesmysl - zatím jsem ale úpravy z (1) na (2)
nerevertoval.

Honza


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Od: xkomc...@centrum.cz
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 27. 8. 2015 1:18:40
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Turisticke trasy v okoli Rican, Chocerad a Sazavy 
[was Čištění turistických tras v OSM - fotky ukazatelů]

Jojo, ideálně na konec a přiřadit jim roli guidepost

xkomczax

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 Datum: 27.08.2015 01:12
 Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Turisticke trasy v okoli Rican, Chocerad a Sazavy 
[was Čištění turistických tras v OSM - fotky ukazatelů]

Dne 27.8.2015 v 00:58 jzvc napsal(a):
 Ovsem pokud koukam dobre
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1741176#map=15/49.9527/14.7611 tak
 ta zluta (prvni zaznam) zjevne existuje cela.

Kdyz na to koukam... smerovniky (guidepost) se maji pridavat do te
relace taky? To jsem nevedel. Nebo je to omyl?

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Re: [Talk-de] Multiple Adressen für ein Gebäude / addr:place / place node / rendering

2015-08-28 Thread gmbo

Hallo Flo,
warum hängst du die Tags nicht alle an den Gebäudeumriss, den Tag 
place=locality 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:place%3Dlocality würde ich 
normalerweise weglassen oder auch mit dranhängen.


addr:housenumber=37  würde ich taggen , 0 nicht, die wird nie am Haus 
angebracht und bei der Suche würde sie doch auch keiner eingeben.

Steht eigentlich eine Nummer am Haus?
note=Adresse im Web zu finden auf Seiten auf denen die Jugendhilfe 
erwähnt wird. Anfahrtsbeschreibung auf der Seite über die B421 aber 
Offizielle Adresse nach Landesvermessungsamt - Zu finden im WebAtlas - 
Haus Bergfried 0, Bausendorf

Den Hinweis würde ich zusammenfassen.

addr:city=Bausendorf
addr:country=DE
addr:housename=Haus Bergfried
addr:place=Haus Bergfried
addr:postcode=54538
addr:street=Bergstraße
alt_name=Haus Bergfrieden
building=yes
name=Haus Bergfried
website=http://www.bergfried-jugendhilfe.de

Wenn alles am Gebäude hangt macht der Renderer auch nicht so viel Unsinn.

Gruß Gisbert



Am 28.08.2015 um 11:52 schrieb Florian Lohoff:

Hi,
ich weiss ich breche hier wieder eine Religiöse Diskussion vom Zaun -
Ich erhoffe mir das jemand vielleicht noch eine Lösung hat die schöner
in der Karte aussieht.

Es gibt das Haus Bergfried, 54538 Bausendorf - Das steht mitten im
Wald und hat gleich mehrere Adressen.

Postalisch laut eigener Angabe:

Bergstraße 37, 54538 Bausendorf

Landesvermessungsamt - Nach Webatlas

Haus Bergfried 0, 54538 Bausendorf

Dazu gibt es noch beliebige Spielarten mit - Haus Bergfrieden oder
Haus Bergfrieden 0

Postalische Adresse ist einfach - Die habe ich einfach auf einen Node
gepackt. Der Weg vor der Tür ist zwar nur ein Wirtschaftsweg/Hauszufahrt
aber die Bergstraße ist ja nicht so weit weg als das das ungültig wäre.
Das Kataster kennt die Hausnummer 37 im überigen nicht.

Das mit Haus Bergfrieden 0, 54538 Bausendorf ist dann schon
schwieriger. Am Ende ist das ja ein place - keine Straße. Um so eine
Adresse in den Nominatim index zu bekommen braucht es einen place node.
Also einen place node mit place=locality, name=Haus Bergfried,
alt_name=Haus Bergfrieden - Dann einen addr node mit
uaddr:place=Haus Bergfried addr:housenumber=0

Damit sind

Bergstraße 37, 54538 Bausendorf
Haus Bergfried, 54538 Bausendorf
Haus Bergfried 0, 54538 Bausendorf
Haus Bergfrieden, 54538 Bausendorf
Haus Bergfrieden 0, 54538 Bausendorf

Auflösbar und landen an der richtigen Stelle. Das mit dem housenumber=0
ist meine ich noch eine Nominatim Geschichte.

Problem ist jetzt das in der gerenderten Karte das

a) Haus Bergfried sowohl vom name auf dem Gebäude wie auch vom place
gerendert wird
b) in Höheren zoomstufen das Haus Bergfried durch die Hausnummer 0
verdrängt wird

Ich persöhnlich finde ja wichtiger das der Geocoder für alle möglichen
eingaben mir ein vernünftiges Ergebniss liefert - Aber schön ist was
anderes.

Wenn addr:full mal geht dann kann man da ein wenig aufräumen und
entsprechend die mutiplen adressen unterbringen.

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Re: [OSRM-talk] OSRM / traffic

2015-08-28 Thread Patrick Niklaus
Our approach to support traffic in the future is two-fold:

1. Make CH pre-processing fast enough so that you can do traffic on
smaller extracts.
2. Change the routing algorithm to a technique that supports fast updates.

1. is currently being worked on. You can try the
`feature/traffic_data` branch. This is very much WIP. For one there is
no documentation of how to use it yet and I doubt you have data in a
suitable format lying around.

2. is a big push. ETA on a first candidate is some time next year.

Hope this helps,
Patrick

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Re: [Talk-cz] Kam dávat rozcestníky

2015-08-28 Thread xkomczax
Ahoj,

oboje vidím to (a mapuji) stejně jak Vojta.

Řešení problému, který on nastínil, by bylo ve vytvoření schématu podobnému 
zastávkám veřejné dopravy, kdy jeden bod (umístěný mimo cestu) značí zastávku, 
druhý (umístěný na cestě) značí místo, kde autobus staví a oba tyto body jsou v 
relaci. Akorát nevím, jestli by to nebyl zbytečný overkill.

xkomczax

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Ahoj,
výhoda 2) je v tom, že pokud se počítá trasa a je potřeba informace typu u
rozcestníku doprava, s rozcestníkem na křížení cest je to triviální,
zatímco když je vedle, musí se počítat vzdálenost od cesty, případně
křižovatky a ta logika je složitější.
Nicméně jsem taky pro mapování reality tak přesně, jak to umíme a tedy
mapování cedulí na místě, kde doopravdy jsou.

Vojta

Dne 28. srpna 2015 13:00 v...@email.cz napsal(a):

 To mi připomíná problém, kam umisťovat rozcestníky do mapy. Používají se
 totiž dva způsoby:

 (1) rozcestník se dá na místo, kde skutečně je - pár metrů od rozcestí,
 křižovatky, cesty
 (2) rozcestník se dá do rozcestí, křižovatky, cesty - viz třeba
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/262122527 (též informační tabule hned
 vedle)

 Standardní a správný způsob je imho (1). Vidíte někdo nějakou výhodu (2)?
 Protože já to považuju za úplný nesmysl - zatím jsem ale úpravy z (1) na
 (2) nerevertoval.

 Honza

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 Jojo, ideálně na konec a přiřadit jim roli guidepost

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  Ovsem pokud koukam dobre
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1741176#map=15/49.9527/14.7611
 tak
  ta zluta (prvni zaznam) zjevne existuje cela.
 
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Re: [OSRM-talk] OSRM / traffic

2015-08-28 Thread quarkx
Thanks for your reply !

Which papers will your work will be done ?
The Bast's ones ?

 Our approach to support traffic in the future is two-fold:

 1. Make CH pre-processing fast enough so that you can do traffic on
 smaller extracts.
 2. Change the routing algorithm to a technique that supports fast updates.

 1. is currently being worked on. You can try the
 `feature/traffic_data` branch. This is very much WIP. For one there is
 no documentation of how to use it yet and I doubt you have data in a
 suitable format lying around.

 2. is a big push. ETA on a first candidate is some time next year.

 Hope this helps,
 Patrick

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:42 AM,  qua...@no-log.org wrote:
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Re: [Talk-cz] Kam dávat rozcestníky

2015-08-28 Thread Petr Holub
 Řešení problému, který on nastínil, by bylo ve vytvoření schématu podobnému 
 zastávkám veřejné
 dopravy, kdy jeden bod (umístěný mimo cestu) značí zastávku, druhý (umístěný 
 na cestě) značí
 místo, kde autobus staví a oba tyto body jsou v relaci. Akorát nevím, jestli 
 by to nebyl
 zbytečný overkill.

Toto by podle mne melo smysl v pripade, kdy bychom meli pouze topologicke
informace a nikoli geoinformace. Proto nad geodaty existuji operace jako
ST_Distance, ST_ClosestPoint, ST_DWithin apod. Pokud nekdo prevadi ta data
do tvaru vhodneho pro routing (bez souradnic, jen jako graf s hranami 
ohodnocenymi
vzdalenosti nebo jinou metrikou), tak si tam samozrejme tyhle vztahy muze 
doplnit
jako soucast transformace dat.

Tyhle relace mne take napadly ale nechtel jsem tim komplikovat svuj predchozi
mail, ktery uz byl tak dost dlouhy ;). Jejich vyuziti bych si dovedl predstavit
tam kde ten rozcestnik neodkazuje k nejblizsimu krizeni - obcas se vyskutuji
rozcestniky typu po 200m doleva. V takovem pripade by mi davalo smysl oznacit
ten relatedPoint explicitne, protoze parsovat prirozeny jazyk v ramci geodat
by bylo to posledni, co bychom chteli ;)

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Re: [Talk-cz] Kam dávat rozcestníky

2015-08-28 Thread Lukas Gebauer
 To mi připomíná problém, kam umisťovat rozcestníky do mapy.
 Používají se totiž dva způsoby:
 
 (1) rozcestník se dá na místo, kde skutečně je - pár metrů od
 rozcestí, křižovatky, cesty (2) rozcestník se dá do rozcestí,
 křižovatky, cesty - viz třeba http://www.
 openstreetmap.org/node/262122527 (též informační tabule hned
 vedle)
 
 Standardní a správný způsob je imho (1). Vidíte někdo nějakou
 výhodu (2)? Protože já to považuju za úplný nesmysl - zatím
 jsem ale úpravy z (1) na (2) nerevertoval.

To je filozoficka otazka. Protoze to, oc tu bezi, je rozcesti. Tedy 
ta krizovatka cest. Rozcestnik o tomto rozcesti jen informuje. A 
protoze by nebylo prakticke mit rozcestnik uprostred krizovatky, 
pichne se v terenu nekam vedle.

A ted si rekni, jde ti o zmapovani toho rozcesti a k nemu pridat 
informaci o tom, ze je tam i rozcestnik? Nebo mapujes polohu 
informacni cedule, ktera je nahodou zrovna rozcestnikem?

Nejak sam nevim, co je vlastne lepsi, logiku vidim v obojem.


-- 
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Re: [Talk-de] Multiple Adressen für ein Gebäude / addr:place / place node / rendering

2015-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


sent from a phone

 Am 28.08.2015 um 11:52 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de:
 
 Es gibt das Haus Bergfried, 54538 Bausendorf - Das steht mitten im
 Wald und hat gleich mehrere Adressen.


ich würde mehrere Adressobjekte machen, die sich ruhig auch überlappen können 


Gruß 
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Re: [Talk-cz] Kam dávat rozcestníky

2015-08-28 Thread Marián Kyral


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Datum: 28. 8. 2015 14:28:36
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Kam dávat rozcestníky

  Standardní a správný způsob je imho (1). Vidíte někdo nějakou
  výhodu (2)? Protože já to považuju za úplný nesmysl - zatím
  jsem ale úpravy z (1) na (2) nerevertoval.
 
 To je filozoficka otazka. Protoze to, oc tu bezi, je rozcesti. Tedy
 ta krizovatka cest. Rozcestnik o tomto rozcesti jen informuje. A
 protoze by nebylo prakticke mit rozcestnik uprostred krizovatky,
 pichne se v terenu nekam vedle.
 
 A ted si rekni, jde ti o zmapovani toho rozcesti a k nemu pridat
 informaci o tom, ze je tam i rozcestnik? Nebo mapujes polohu
 informacni cedule, ktera je nahodou zrovna rozcestnikem?
 
 Nejak sam nevim, co je vlastne lepsi, logiku vidim v obojem.

Tento problem nicmene vznika asi proto, ze si lide pletou rozcesti
a rozcestnik. Rozcesti je v OSM dostatecne vyjadreno krizenim cest: tedy
topologii toho, jak jsou body a cesty vytvoreny, otagovany a 
zacleneny do relaci. Proto krizici se cesty maji spolu sdilet bod
v miste krizeni. To pomerne presne kopiruje strukturu realneho
sveta.

Rozcestnik pak je doplnkova informacni znacka - a alespon ja nevidim
zadny rozumny duvod ho umistovat jinam, nez kde skutecne je - cili
typicky je stranou od cesty. Informace o tom, ze jsou na nem vyznacene
nejake informace o znackach je plne vyjadrena jeho ucasti v relacich
s roli guidepost. Plus rozcestnik jako takovy ma sve vlastni vlastnosti
(napr. jmeno a cislo zachycene jako jeho vlastni atributy).

Cili za mne je odpoved jednoznacne (1) a vsechny rozcestniky by postupne
mely byt na tu variantu (1) prevedeny. Ta varianta (2) pochazi
nejspis jeste z doby, kdy se pro znaceni turistickych tras nepouzivaly
relace a tudiz by prislusne rozcestniky bylo obtizne dohledat. 

Prosim, nezapominejte, ze geodata i mapa jsou abstrakci reality.
Cili mely by mapovat skutecnost, at jiz se nam tato libi nebo
ne (meli jsme na to tema nejake diskuse v minulosti a uzavreli
jsme to prave timto konstatovanim).




Naprostý souhlas. Líp bych to nenapsal ;-)





Určitě by bylo zajímavé z databáze vytáhnout, jaký je poměr řešení 1 vs. 2 a
všechny dvojky označit jako fixme=zjistit skutečnou poloho rozcestníku a 
postupně je převést na 1.





Marián





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Re: [Talk-cz] Kam dávat rozcestníky

2015-08-28 Thread jzvc

Dne 28.8.2015 v 13:00 v...@email.cz napsal(a):

To mi připomíná problém, kam umisťovat rozcestníky do mapy. Používají se
totiž dva způsoby:

(1) rozcestník se dá na místo, kde skutečně je - pár metrů od rozcestí,
křižovatky, cesty
(2) rozcestník se dá do rozcestí, křižovatky, cesty - viz třeba
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/262122527 (též informační tabule hned
vedle)

Standardní a správný způsob je imho (1). Vidíte někdo nějakou výhodu
(2)? Protože já to považuju za úplný nesmysl - zatím jsem ale úpravy z
(1) na (2) nerevertoval.


Cus,

pokud je soucasti relace tras, kterych se tyce, tak je IMO zcela spravne 
varianta 1).


Varianta 2) jen vlastne nahrazuje tu relaci, jenze je konfliktni a 
problemova (muzes narazit na situaci, kdy mas treba nazev rozcestniku vs 
nazev krizovatky). Navic ... uz par patku pracujeme s ponekud vyssi 
presnosti nez desitky metru ne?




Honza

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Jojo, ideálně na konec a přiřadit jim roli guidepost

xkomczax

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Sazavy [was Čištění turistických tras v OSM - fotky ukazatelů]
 
 Dne 27.8.2015 v 00:58 jzvc napsal(a):
  Ovsem pokud koukam dobre
 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1741176#map=15/49.9527/14.7611 tak
  ta zluta (prvni zaznam) zjevne existuje cela.
 
 Kdyz na to koukam... smerovniky (guidepost) se maji pridavat do te
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Re: [Talk-cz] Kam dávat rozcestníky

2015-08-28 Thread Petr Holub
  Standardní a správný způsob je imho (1). Vidíte někdo nějakou
  výhodu (2)? Protože já to považuju za úplný nesmysl - zatím
  jsem ale úpravy z (1) na (2) nerevertoval.
 
 To je filozoficka otazka. Protoze to, oc tu bezi, je rozcesti. Tedy
 ta krizovatka cest. Rozcestnik o tomto rozcesti jen informuje. A
 protoze by nebylo prakticke mit rozcestnik uprostred krizovatky,
 pichne se v terenu nekam vedle.
 
 A ted si rekni, jde ti o zmapovani toho rozcesti a k nemu pridat
 informaci o tom, ze je tam i rozcestnik? Nebo mapujes polohu
 informacni cedule, ktera je nahodou zrovna rozcestnikem?
 
 Nejak sam nevim, co je vlastne lepsi, logiku vidim v obojem.

Tento problem nicmene vznika asi proto, ze si lide pletou rozcesti
a rozcestnik. Rozcesti je v OSM dostatecne vyjadreno krizenim cest: tedy
topologii toho, jak jsou body a cesty vytvoreny, otagovany a 
zacleneny do relaci. Proto krizici se cesty maji spolu sdilet bod
v miste krizeni. To pomerne presne kopiruje strukturu realneho
sveta.

Rozcestnik pak je doplnkova informacni znacka - a alespon ja nevidim
zadny rozumny duvod ho umistovat jinam, nez kde skutecne je - cili
typicky je stranou od cesty. Informace o tom, ze jsou na nem vyznacene
nejake informace o znackach je plne vyjadrena jeho ucasti v relacich
s roli guidepost. Plus rozcestnik jako takovy ma sve vlastni vlastnosti
(napr. jmeno a cislo zachycene jako jeho vlastni atributy).

Cili za mne je odpoved jednoznacne (1) a vsechny rozcestniky by postupne
mely byt na tu variantu (1) prevedeny. Ta varianta (2) pochazi
nejspis jeste z doby, kdy se pro znaceni turistickych tras nepouzivaly
relace a tudiz by prislusne rozcestniky bylo obtizne dohledat. 

Prosim, nezapominejte, ze geodata i mapa jsou abstrakci reality.
Cili mely by mapovat skutecnost, at jiz se nam tato libi nebo
ne (meli jsme na to tema nejake diskuse v minulosti a uzavreli
jsme to prave timto konstatovanim).

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Re: [Talk-cz] Kam dávat rozcestníky

2015-08-28 Thread Vojta
Ahoj,
výhoda 2) je v tom, že pokud se počítá trasa a je potřeba informace typu u
rozcestníku doprava, s rozcestníkem na křížení cest je to triviální,
zatímco když je vedle, musí se počítat vzdálenost od cesty, případně
křižovatky a ta logika je složitější.
Nicméně jsem taky pro mapování reality tak přesně, jak to umíme a tedy
mapování cedulí na místě, kde doopravdy jsou.

Vojta

Dne 28. srpna 2015 13:00 v...@email.cz napsal(a):

 To mi připomíná problém, kam umisťovat rozcestníky do mapy. Používají se
 totiž dva způsoby:

 (1) rozcestník se dá na místo, kde skutečně je - pár metrů od rozcestí,
 křižovatky, cesty
 (2) rozcestník se dá do rozcestí, křižovatky, cesty - viz třeba
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/262122527 (též informační tabule hned
 vedle)

 Standardní a správný způsob je imho (1). Vidíte někdo nějakou výhodu (2)?
 Protože já to považuju za úplný nesmysl - zatím jsem ale úpravy z (1) na
 (2) nerevertoval.

 Honza

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 [was Čištění turistických tras v OSM - fotky ukazatelů]
 
 Dne 27.8.2015 v 00:58 jzvc napsal(a):
  Ovsem pokud koukam dobre
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1741176#map=15/49.9527/14.7611
 tak
  ta zluta (prvni zaznam) zjevne existuje cela.
 
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 relace taky? To jsem nevedel. Nebo je to omyl?
 
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[Talk-br] RES: RES: fontes de dados do OSM-BR

2015-08-28 Thread Reinaldo Neves
A Base realmente pode ser interessante, pelo menos em teoria para ser 
fornecedor do governo federal o endereço não deve ser fantasma J, os números 
finais devem ser um pouco menores, pois os fornecedores PF não tem endereço, e 
acredito que deve ser descartado os registros inativos.

 

De qualquer maneira vai ser preciso fazer algo para baixar as informações por 
api, não achei um lugar para download direto, criar uma banco de dados  e 
checar as que já existem no osm para não subir dados em duplicidade.

 

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Equação Informática

(: (11) 3221-3722

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http://br.linkedin.com/in/rrneves

 

 

 

De: Márcio Aguiar Ribeiro [mailto:aguiar.mar...@gmail.com] 
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 28 de agosto de 2015 00:10
Para: OpenStreetMap no Brasil
Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] RES: fontes de dados do OSM-BR

 

Só corrigindo, são mais de 333.000 empresas.




Marcio Aguiar Ribeiro

 

2015-08-27 23:58 GMT-03:00 Márcio Aguiar Ribeiro aguiar.mar...@gmail.com:

Peter,

 

tem uma base interessante do http://compras.dados.gov.br/docs/home.html

 

A licença é ODbL e possui dados de todos os fornecedores do governo com 
informações de nome, cnpj e endereço de todos. Acredito que são mais de 15.000. 

 

Acredito que uma base de empresas também pode contribuir para melhorar o 
endereçamento do openstreetmap.

 

 




Marcio Aguiar Ribeiro

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Os dados são do IBGE (portanto possuímos permissão de uso).

ftp://geoftp.ibge.gov.br/mapeamento_sistematico/base_vetorial_continua_escala_250mil/

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Re: [Talk-br] RES: RES: fontes de dados do OSM-BR

2015-08-28 Thread Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros
Em 28 de agosto de 2015 11:31, Reinaldo Neves rne...@equacao.com.br
escreveu:

 A Base realmente pode ser interessante, pelo menos em teoria para ser
 fornecedor do governo federal o endereço não deve ser fantasma J, os
 números finais devem ser um pouco menores, pois os fornecedores PF não tem
 endereço, e acredito que deve ser descartado os registros inativos.



 De qualquer maneira vai ser preciso fazer algo para baixar as informações
 por api, não achei um lugar para download direto, criar uma banco de dados
  e checar as que já existem no osm para não subir dados em duplicidade.


GitHub, GitHub, GitHub... ou: Git, Git, Git...

Mas eu já tenho pendências demais para ir além desse incentivo verbal.

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Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-28 Thread Phil! Gold
* Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com [2015-08-21 09:22 +0200]:
 railway=dismantled means there is no railway currently but there are clear 
 traces / remains of a railway (because if there weren't we would not put it 
 in Osm).

Just for clarity:

railway=abandoned (per the wiki and my understanding of things) is for
when there remain traces of a railway whose rails are no longer present.
railway=dismantled (and its synonym, railway=razed) was introduced to
cover the case where people wanted to tag the path of a former railway
where no traces of the railway remain (e.g. because the area was
completely leveled to may way for a subdivision or mall).  (Reasons for
using railway=dismantled usually amount to, The railway=abandoned traces
on either side of the leveled area make the former presence of a railway a
ground truth (because you wouldn't just have a gap in a railway) so the
railway=dismantled way bridges that gap in the OSM database.)

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[OSM-ja] Code for Sakai 多治速比売神社(たじはやひめじんじゃ)マッピングパーティ

2015-08-28 Thread Toshihisa Tanaka
としです.

すみません,すっかり告知が遅くなってしまったのですが,
Code for Sakaiでは,明日8月30日に,大阪府堺市で
多治速比売神社(たじはやひめじんじゃ)マッピングパーティをします.

https://openstreetmap.doorkeeper.jp/events/29945

あまり肩肘張らずに,気軽にマッピング出来ればと思っています.
前日の告知になってしまってすみません.もし興味があれば,
どうぞふるってご参加下さいませ〜

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-08-28 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave F. writes:
  On 23/08/2015 16:49, Frederik Ramm wrote:
   Hi,
  
   On 08/23/2015 02:27 AM, Balaco Baco wrote:
   I'm sorry. But this is just a stupid thing to do. To have no data and to
   have the most recently obtained data are two very different things.
   Certainly you're not suggesting we map all these negatives.
  
  I think I'd rather map Dark Matter. Seems easier ;-)

As I've pointed out many times in the past and apparently must point
out again, because some people are not paying attention, nobody is
asking you to map things you don't want to map. This is an open source
project, and as such, NOBODY gets to make demands that anybody else do
something.

We can't demand that somebody write a module, or map a county.

We CAN, however, demand that somebody stop deleting modules or ways
that somebody else has added to the project.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-08-28 Thread Russ Nelson
I don't understand why people suggest things that don't work. How do I
make a route in OSM that includes the active railways, disused
railways, washed_out railways (where you can SEE rails in the river),
cycleways, footways, bridges, hedges, cuttings, embankments, and
shadows in fields if there is not a way in every case?

Or conversely, how does OHM allow for a route that includes ways going
through a farmer's field where everything has been plowed away, the
cinders scattered, the spikes buried beyond the reach of metal
detectors, where I, even I, agree that there is nothing to be seen
there  AND ways where any damned fool can see that this used to be
a railroad because it lines up with existing tracks? (hint: like OSM,
it doesn't.)

Perhaps some day in the future, what you suggest will be practical
when the data schema has been revised to implement layers stored in
different databases. For now, no. Please stop suggesting this.
-russ

Tim Waters writes:
  I'd like to recommend OpenHistoricalMap.org (OHM) which will welcome
  all types of historical, disused and abandoned features. Please, go
  add every abandoned railway to OHM, and then together we can
  eventually get an accurate map of 1880s railway network compared to a
  1940's, compared to yesterdays world!
  
  Tim
  
  
  
  On 22/08/2015, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hi
  
   I'd therefor like to propose that abandoned railways be treated like
   borders.  Even if you can't see it along a given stretch there are people
   who can and they have put a huge amount of effort into that work.  Lets
   respect that and strengthen the community rather than deleting it and
   doing
   the opposite.
  
   I 100% agree. The amount of data required to map abandoned railroads
   is tiny. An occasional way through a new development is not going to
   hurt anybody or impair normal mapping activity.
  
   Apparently, the people that like to map railroads think OSM is the
   best place to do this. We are not in any position to be chasing them
   off. OSM has a long, long way to go still. Above all else, it needs to
   more active mappers if we are serious about being the best map for the
   entire world. Also, It seems likely they are also mapping non
   controversial things like roads while working on the railroads.
  
   Dave F, OSM is doing just fine. It is full of contradictions,
   redundancies, disagreements, and broken rules (see the tagging list).
   It is not some kind of business database that requires normalization,
   strict schema definitions, and vigilant protection. It can't have any
   once sentence rules defining its boundaries. It is a great big blank
   sheet of paper, relax and let the railroad people draw on it a bit.
   Nobody is going to get hurt.
  
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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-08-28 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave F. writes:
  On 23/08/2015 01:27, Balaco Baco wrote:
   What we need is a
   database that already has all the data and simply identify when some
   small elements of it cease to be current.
   In OSM we do that by deleting the small elements ;)
   I'm sorry. But this is just a stupid thing to do.
  
  Are you saying if a building gets demolished  replaced with a new one, 
  you wouldn't remove the original outline from OSM?

This is also a strawman argument. Stop it. You are hurting your own
case, and making my case. Do you really want to help the
railway=dismantled people? No, you do not. So abandon this line of
argument -- it is failure incarnate.

Not a single person so far has suggested that everything that used to
exist, or everything that has already been mapped but since changed,
should remain. NOT ONE PERSON.

Instead, I and others have said that since you can see a railway at
point A, and you can see a railway at point B, it only makes sense
to map it between those points for several reasons:
  o Chances are good that there are artifacts between point A and B
that further investigation will reveal.
  o Mappable entities exist between those points which can only be
understood by including the dismantled railways (e.g. bridges, roads,
or buildings).
  o It's possible that cadastral data would reveal the presence of a
right-of-way, and (I think, but correct me if I'm wrong) everybody
agrees that there is way too much cadastral data to include in OSM,
and it's something that must be imported because it only exists in a
real property office's database.

I can point to examples of all of the above. Please don't doubt
me. You don't want me to have more facts on my side.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Reply-to header

2015-08-28 Thread Russ Nelson
Balaco Baco writes:
  All messages I received from OSM list does not have the reply-to header
  with the list address.

They should not. If you want to reply to the list, use your email
software's reply to list function.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-08-28 Thread Russ Nelson
By the way, I want to apologize for dumping so many messages in a row
onto the list. I've not had a lot of sitting-in-front-of-the-computer
time lately because I've been spending a lot of time gathering map
data in the field:

I'm ONE rail-trail short of cycling every rail-trail in New York
State. Over a hundred of them, around 2800 miles, taking about two
months of bicycling if I spent a full 8 hours every day on the trail,
but in reality it's been an 11-year-long project.

moltonel 3x Combo writes:
  One can often assert that something was here even when nothing is left
  of that thing. And is nothing is left of that thing, it shouldn't be
  mapped.

What about point A?  What about point B? The *endpoints* do indeed
continue to exist, so nothing is left of that thing is not true
about most dismantled railways.

Speaking of housing developments, I earlier pointed to the south end
of Cazenovia, where a housing development has an obvious railbed to
the north, and an obvious railbed to the south, and in people's
backyards, a treeline where the railbed was.

Should the map look like this (A)?  ___   __ 

Or should it look like this (B)?___---__-

Some people are arguing for A. I argue that B is a better
representation of what is there (the underscores) because it includes
the dismantled portions (the dashes).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-08-28 Thread Russ Nelson
moltonel writes:
  Wrong data is worse than absent data.

Right. So tag dismantled railways with (oh, dare I say it?)
railway=dismantled. Correct data is better than wrong data, right?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-08-28 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes:
  The fact there is no railroad here, however, is not something that I
  would consider useful; because where would it end? I'm standing at a
  lakeshore - there's no railway here, also there's no forest here, and no
  building, and no rugby pitch, no telephone booth, and no power lines.
  Certainly you're not suggesting we map all these negatives.

IN FACT NOBODY IS SUGGESTING THIS. This is called a strawman
argument. You create a position that nobody actually holds, which is
unreasonable, and then you say This Is Unreasonable and then you use
everyone's agreement to claim that a different position is wrong.

The use of a strawman argument is evidence that you have no viable
argument against the position that people actually hold.

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Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

2015-08-28 Thread Russ Nelson
Pieren writes:
  There is a large consensus on that in the community. Why are you
  insisting ? If you like, check the OHM project which is dedicated
  for historical maps.

We've been through this before. You're just insisting on your view and
claiming that everyone agrees with you. There is no consensus; rather
a number of people want to map disued / abandoned / dismantled
railways. Some people don't! Good for them! I'm happy for them that
they don't.

But what gives them the right to delete things that other people CAN
see and DO want to have in OSM?

The problem is that this disagreement is not symmetric. It's not like
the power=sub_station or power=substation disagreement. You don't have
one side saying we don't map power lines and the other saying but
we do. No, instead, we have one side saying YOU CANNOT MAP THIS.
That is not how we do things here -- and THAT is the true consensus.

I'm fine with you mapping the things you want. Why aren't you fine
with me mapping the things I want? Why the urge to delete? Why
encourage other people to delete things that are not accidents, not
TIGER mistakes, but things that people WANT in OSM and have PUT in
OSM?

I simply cannot comprehend the desire to delete.

You want to improve OSM? Fine. Add things that aren't
there. Contribute to Richard Welty's collection of fire hydrants. He's
got a useful project going on there. The Bing aerials are good enough
now that you can see traffic lights. There are a TON of missing ones.

You improve OSM by adding things. You make OSM worse by deleting
things.

Don't make OSM worse. Don't be that guy everyone hates.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

2015-08-28 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes:
  On 08/22/2015 11:07 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
   What we need is a
   database that already has all the data and simply identify when some
   small elements of it cease to be current.
  
  In OSM we do that by deleting the small elements ;)

In OSM we do that by tagging the small elements properly. Deletion is
vandalism. No smiley.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Zákaz vjezdu - Tranzit

2015-08-28 Thread Petr Holub
Ahoj,

 Na ministerstvu dopravy se zase vyznamenali: Navrhují pod značku zákaz
 vjezdu nad 3,5t dodatkovou tabulku Tranzit, která povolí vjezd jen za
 účelem nakládky nebo vykládky. Tedy to bude v podstatě totéž, jako Mimo
 dopravní obsluhu.
 
 http://ostrava.idnes.cz/dodatkova-tabulka-tranzit-ma-pomoci-vymytit-kamiony-z-mest-a-obci-p9l-
 /ostrava-zpravy.aspx?c=A150828_2187522_ostrava-zpravy_woj
 
 Až to zavedou, budeme zavádět nový tag, nebo si vystačíme s dopravní
 obsluhou? :-D

podle mne tohle presne odpovida vyznamu anglickeho tagu delivery.

Tedy na rozdil od te nasi dopravni obsluhy, kterouzto jsme na delivery
napasovali notne pokroucenou semantikou (mimochodem, ted jsem se dival,
ze DE: komunita na to jde trochu jinak - kombinace destination a delivery,
viz 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:access#Anliegerverkehr.2FAnrainerverkehr.2FZubringerdienst
v Rakousku, kde ted zrovna ziji, se velmi casto vyskytuje ten Anrainerverkehr,
coz je IMHO presne totez jako u nas dopravni obsluha (jeste vtipnejsi
tu byva nur fuer Berichtigte).

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Re: [Talk-br] RES: RES: fontes de dados do OSM-BR

2015-08-28 Thread Márcio Aguiar Ribeiro
Esse fim de semana posso tentar fazer um script para baixar todos os dados
e jogar um csv ou json no Github.

Alguém conhece alguma outra base aberta de empresas? Porque a receita não
libera os cadastros?

Posso também fazer um script para gerar uma camada OSM dessa base para
auxiliar na inclusão dos dados no mapa.


Marcio Aguiar Ribeiro

2015-08-28 12:59 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros 
alexandre@gmail.com:

 Em 28 de agosto de 2015 11:31, Reinaldo Neves rne...@equacao.com.br
 escreveu:

 A Base realmente pode ser interessante, pelo menos em teoria para ser
 fornecedor do governo federal o endereço não deve ser fantasma J, os
 números finais devem ser um pouco menores, pois os fornecedores PF não tem
 endereço, e acredito que deve ser descartado os registros inativos.



 De qualquer maneira vai ser preciso fazer algo para baixar as informações
 por api, não achei um lugar para download direto, criar uma banco de dados
  e checar as que já existem no osm para não subir dados em duplicidade.


 GitHub, GitHub, GitHub... ou: Git, Git, Git...

 Mas eu já tenho pendências demais para ir além desse incentivo verbal.

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[Talk-br] Fwd: Mapillary News - August 2015

2015-08-28 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Mapillary já está reconhecendo as placas de trânsito brasileiras.

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Arlindo

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http://mapillary.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=3d1737f03d881dc7e28063856id=81d8c1d9b3e=dfa5c394ba
.

Denmark passes 1M photos, analysis
http://mapillary.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=3d1737f03d881dc7e28063856id=7d3841805ae=dfa5c394ba
(in Danish).

Here is an update on the MapLesotho campaign
http://mapillary.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=3d1737f03d881dc7e28063856id=e5f20448bbe=dfa5c394ba,
and a nice writeup “Take a spin around Lesotho with Mapillary”
http://mapillary.us7.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=3d1737f03d881dc7e28063856id=a4d5bb224ae=dfa5c394ba

OwnMaps
http://mapillary.us7.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=3d1737f03d881dc7e28063856id=e4cd334417e=dfa5c394ba
integrated Mapillary

  Events
There was a lot of Mapillary activity at Maptime in the Netherlands. Look
at this human street view rig
http://mapillary.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=3d1737f03d881dc7e28063856id=623bb46394e=dfa5c394ba
;)

The first ever Maptime Copenhagen
http://mapillary.us7.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=3d1737f03d881dc7e28063856id=1e0eb99b88e=dfa5c394ba
will be held on September 19th. We’re co-organizing. Come meet up, do some
mapping and get a fun introduction.
  Tips and Tricks *Share 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] inscription au trac fermée

2015-08-28 Thread Florian LAINEZ
merci, tu es sûr que c'est vraiment du spam ? ^^
Il m'a pris pour un bot !

Soumission rejetée en tant que spam potentiel

   - SpamBayes à estimé la probabilité de spam à 98.44%

Impossible de valider le captcha par la suite malgré une dizaine d'essais
... je n'ai toujours pas de compte. Help !

Le 27 août 2015 10:27, Jocelyn Jaubert jocelyn.jaub...@gmail.com a écrit :

 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:08:43PM +0200, Florian LAINEZ wrote:
  Hello, j'ai essayé de m'inscrire à Trac pour remonter une suggestion
 Osmose
  mais la page http://trac.openstreetmap.fr/register me renvoie un
  forbidden.
  Est-ce un problème identifié ?

 La page /register a été désactivé parce qu'on avait plein de bots qui
 créaient
 des comptes sur trac, et postaient plein de spam. Du coup, on a
 temporairement désactivé cette page, en attendant de trouver une solution
 satisfaisante.

 Je viens de réactiver la page - tu devrais pouvoir maintenant t'y inscrire.

 --
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[Talk-br] RES: RES: RES: fontes de dados do OSM-BR

2015-08-28 Thread Reinaldo Neves
K,  nem me fale em pendencias Alexandre.

 

Não sei até onde consigo ir com isso, mas vou tentar a captura dos dados e 
manter o andamento disso no wiki.  

 

Abraços

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De: Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros [mailto:alexandre@gmail.com] 
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 28 de agosto de 2015 12:59
Para: OpenStreetMap no Brasil
Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] RES: RES: fontes de dados do OSM-BR

 

Em 28 de agosto de 2015 11:31, Reinaldo Neves rne...@equacao.com.br escreveu:

A Base realmente pode ser interessante, pelo menos em teoria para ser 
fornecedor do governo federal o endereço não deve ser fantasma J, os números 
finais devem ser um pouco menores, pois os fornecedores PF não tem endereço, e 
acredito que deve ser descartado os registros inativos.

 

De qualquer maneira vai ser preciso fazer algo para baixar as informações por 
api, não achei um lugar para download direto, criar uma banco de dados  e 
checar as que já existem no osm para não subir dados em duplicidade.

 

GitHub, GitHub, GitHub... ou: Git, Git, Git...

Mas eu já tenho pendências demais para ir além desse incentivo verbal.

Alexandre Magno

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Re: [Talk-de] Multiple Adressen für ein Gebäude / addr:place / place node / rendering

2015-08-28 Thread Christopher Lorenz
On 28.08.2015 13:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
 ich würde mehrere Adressobjekte machen, die sich ruhig auch überlappen können 

Für mehrere Adressen auf einem Punkt gibt es aber auch einen Entwurf,
der mehr oder weniger genau die Situation beschreibt und zu lösen
versucht: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/AddrN

Die Idee ist nicht schlecht, aber für eine Auswertung machen sich bei
der Programmierung doppelte Knoten immer noch besser als
durchnummerierte Tags.

Christopher

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Re: [Talk-br] RES: RES: fontes de dados do OSM-BR

2015-08-28 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Não sei da existência de outra base aberta, mas por lei os dados de toda
empresa aberta, inclusive endereço, são publicados no Diário Oficial da
União.

Descobri isso abrindo um CNPJ de MEI (Micro Empreendedor Individual) e
tendo recebido diversas vezes spam/golpe de supostas associações.
Off-topic, mas mais detalhes aqui para quem tiver curiosidade:
http://naofo.de/7480

[]s
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2015-08-28 13:23 GMT-03:00 Márcio Aguiar Ribeiro aguiar.mar...@gmail.com:

 Esse fim de semana posso tentar fazer um script para baixar todos os dados
 e jogar um csv ou json no Github.

 Alguém conhece alguma outra base aberta de empresas? Porque a receita não
 libera os cadastros?

 Posso também fazer um script para gerar uma camada OSM dessa base para
 auxiliar na inclusão dos dados no mapa.


 Marcio Aguiar Ribeiro

 2015-08-28 12:59 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros 
 alexandre@gmail.com:

 Em 28 de agosto de 2015 11:31, Reinaldo Neves rne...@equacao.com.br
 escreveu:

 A Base realmente pode ser interessante, pelo menos em teoria para ser
 fornecedor do governo federal o endereço não deve ser fantasma J, os
 números finais devem ser um pouco menores, pois os fornecedores PF não tem
 endereço, e acredito que deve ser descartado os registros inativos.



 De qualquer maneira vai ser preciso fazer algo para baixar as
 informações por api, não achei um lugar para download direto, criar uma
 banco de dados  e checar as que já existem no osm para não subir dados em
 duplicidade.


 GitHub, GitHub, GitHub... ou: Git, Git, Git...

 Mas eu já tenho pendências demais para ir além desse incentivo verbal.

 Alexandre Magno

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[Talk-br] RES: RES: RES: fontes de dados do OSM-BR

2015-08-28 Thread Reinaldo Neves
O problema seria peneirar essas informações do DOU para o OSM. 

 

Esses golpistas tem estruturas montadas porque visam o lucro fácil e a maioria 
dos boletos do tipo são fake, as vezes os sindicatos e associações nem existem, 
e quando existem tem seu dados apropriados para uso nos boletos, mas as contas 
pertencem aso golpistas.

 

Boletos de contribuição sindical, assistencial, registro de domínio, lista 
telefônica, cadastro nacional de domínios, já vi de tudo nesse quesito.  O fake 
da br.registro é um dos melhores, ano passado quase paguei um por engano.

 

Mas voltando as base abertas, de empresa não mas no próprio dadosabertos.org 
tem mais algumas base que podem ser processadas, e agora contam com licença 
odbl, instituições de ensino, cartórios, etc.  

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De: Arlindo Pereira [mailto:openstreet...@arlindopereira.com] 
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 28 de agosto de 2015 14:26
Para: OpenStreetMap no Brasil
Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] RES: RES: fontes de dados do OSM-BR

 

Não sei da existência de outra base aberta, mas por lei os dados de toda 
empresa aberta, inclusive endereço, são publicados no Diário Oficial da União.

 

Descobri isso abrindo um CNPJ de MEI (Micro Empreendedor Individual) e tendo 
recebido diversas vezes spam/golpe de supostas associações. Off-topic, mas 
mais detalhes aqui para quem tiver curiosidade: http://naofo.de/7480

 

[]s

Arlindo

 

2015-08-28 13:23 GMT-03:00 Márcio Aguiar Ribeiro aguiar.mar...@gmail.com:

Esse fim de semana posso tentar fazer um script para baixar todos os dados e 
jogar um csv ou json no Github.

 

Alguém conhece alguma outra base aberta de empresas? Porque a receita não 
libera os cadastros?

 

Posso também fazer um script para gerar uma camada OSM dessa base para auxiliar 
na inclusão dos dados no mapa.

 




Marcio Aguiar Ribeiro

 

2015-08-28 12:59 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros 
alexandre@gmail.com:

Em 28 de agosto de 2015 11:31, Reinaldo Neves rne...@equacao.com.br escreveu:

A Base realmente pode ser interessante, pelo menos em teoria para ser 
fornecedor do governo federal o endereço não deve ser fantasma J, os números 
finais devem ser um pouco menores, pois os fornecedores PF não tem endereço, e 
acredito que deve ser descartado os registros inativos.

 

De qualquer maneira vai ser preciso fazer algo para baixar as informações por 
api, não achei um lugar para download direto, criar uma banco de dados  e 
checar as que já existem no osm para não subir dados em duplicidade.

 

GitHub, GitHub, GitHub... ou: Git, Git, Git...

Mas eu já tenho pendências demais para ir além desse incentivo verbal.

Alexandre Magno

 

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Re: [Talk-at] Carto: Paths and footways

2015-08-28 Thread nebulon42
Das Update ist jetzt getaggt und wird wohl bald bzw. wird bereits 
ausgeliefert. Bitte um Feedback zu den Änderungen (nicht von mir gemacht).


Borut: Kannst du mir bitte deinen Github-Usernamen mitteilen, ich würde 
ihn gerne in einem Kommentar verlinken, danke.


lg, nebulon42

Am 2015-08-28 um 07:19 schrieb Borut Maricic:

Das bringt Hoffnung. Ich werde die dortige Diskussion und
die Veränderungen gespannt verfolgen (auch die Christoph
Hormanns Webseite ist außerordentlich interessant - für mich
jetzt eine Entdeckung). (Auch Deine Icons sind mir eine
Neuentdeckung!)

In von Dir genanntem Thread gibt es auch von Mateusz
Konieczny gestellte Links zu Beispiel-/Testregionen. Das
finde ich auch sehr gut und vielversprechend.

An dieser Stelle dann so ein Link zu meinem (früher
erwähntem) Testbereich (ich lasse es dort dann vorerst so
getaggd, wie es jetzt ist), sodass die Interessierten die
künftigen Veränderungen der Darstellung verfolgen können:

highway=path mit surface=unpaved vs. surface undefiniert,
oberhalb der Waldgrenze, mid teilweise undefiniertem,
bzw. weiter im W und N unterschiedlichem Hintergrund,
(zurzeit) ab z17:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=47.48884mlon=14.93895#map=17/47.48884/14.93895

Die Problematik mit der Rendering-Datenbank war mir auch
nicht bekannt.

Vielen lieben Dank!

2015-08-27 22:02:18 nebulon42 (nebulo...@yandex.com):


[...] Ein Garant für weitere Verbesserungen hier ist
sicher Christoph Hormann, der auch schon ein Issue für weitere
Verbesserungen aufgemacht hat
(https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1793). Er
hat sich in der Vergangenheit sehr natur-affin gezeigt.



Ein interessantes Detail ist, dass es derzeit einfach nicht möglich ist
sac_scale zum Rendering zu verwenden. Die Rendering-Datenbank enthält
nicht alle Tags. Der Neuaufbau der Rendering-Datenbank ist bereits
geplant, aber sehr aufwändig und kommt daher nur langsam vorwärts. Die
Server-Administratoren sind auch nur Freiwillige. Dann könnten aber alle
Tags verwendet werden.



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[Talk-cz] Zákaz vjezdu - Tranzit

2015-08-28 Thread Marián Kyral
Ahoj,

Na ministerstvu dopravy se zase vyznamenali: Navrhují pod značku zákaz
vjezdu nad 3,5t dodatkovou tabulku Tranzit, která povolí vjezd jen za
účelem nakládky nebo vykládky. Tedy to bude v podstatě totéž, jako Mimo
dopravní obsluhu.

http://ostrava.idnes.cz/dodatkova-tabulka-tranzit-ma-pomoci-vymytit-kamiony-z-mest-a-obci-p9l-/ostrava-zpravy.aspx?c=A150828_2187522_ostrava-zpravy_woj

Až to zavedou, budeme zavádět nový tag, nebo si vystačíme s dopravní
obsluhou? :-D

Marián

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