Re: [OSM-talk] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

[Greg Morgan]

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 3:48 AM, Bianca Hambasan  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> We, the map analysts team from Telenav started editing in Phoenix by
> adding and reviewing the road geometry and road name, so we found this
> issue too. In our area of interest, we found about 5 200 ways with this
> tag. We want to help with this since we already edit in the area. Do you
> have any suggestions if we can contribute without overlapping our work? We
> can also use Map Roulette challenges, so anyone can be involved. If you
> have any other suggestion, we are open to them.
>
> As a source, we use Tiger data and Open Street Cam. What do you think
> about the accuracy of them?
>
>
>

Frederik,

What is the status of your name redaction?  chdr impacted many of the
streets that I made edits to.  I'd like to start fixing the names with the
Tiger 2015 layer.  However, I need to wait on your redaction.  I marked the
streets that need to be attended to by the chdr_USA_AZ_name_fixup_required
tag. I am not sure if your redaction will remove my name tag target or
not.  Can you localize you redaction to just Arizona so that I can get
going?  As noted by Bianca, Telenav is in the area editing right now and
would love to help with the fix up effort.

Please Advise,
Greg
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Re: [OSM-talk] Putting simple scripts in the Wiki without violating CC BY-SA 2.0

[Yuri Astrakhan]

Hi, I would still highly advise putting it into git, because
* it's easier to discover by others, code search, etc
* it is far easier to propose changes, discuss them, track who submitted
what, etc
* it is easier to fork to try different things, and for others to see your
forks and possibly adapt them too

At the end of the day, wiki is a front end to a simple version control
system, whereas git is what most developers are used to nowadays.  I have
done a lot of "on-wiki" coding, and unless there are very good reasons to
keep it on wiki, it is far better to store it in repo.  Plus you wouldn't
have the licensing questions :)

As for license - you could put at the top that "this code is MIT licensed
to remove ambiguity, but IANAL.  My understanding is that by default, all
content is licensed as whatever it said at the bottom.

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:14 AM, SwiftFast  wrote:

> I have a bot[1]. I'd like to publish its scripts. A versioning  system
> like GIT would be overkill, because the scripts are short and rarely
> changing.
>
> I'm not a lawyer, and I have some questions:
>
> 1. Suppose I don't state any license, would that implicitly the same
> license of the wiki itself?[2]
>
> 2. Can I explicitly state a license such as MIT/Apache/GPL? Would any
> of those licenses conflict with the license of the Wiki itself?
>
> Thanks!
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SwiftFast#SwiftFast_bot
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_content_license
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[OSM-talk] Putting simple scripts in the Wiki without violating CC BY-SA 2.0

[SwiftFast]

I have a bot[1]. I'd like to publish its scripts. A versioning  system
like GIT would be overkill, because the scripts are short and rarely
changing.

I'm not a lawyer, and I have some questions:

1. Suppose I don't state any license, would that implicitly the same
license of the wiki itself?[2]

2. Can I explicitly state a license such as MIT/Apache/GPL? Would any
of those licenses conflict with the license of the Wiki itself?

Thanks!

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SwiftFast#SwiftFast_bot
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_content_license

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[OSM-talk] Export Tool 3.0 LIVE

[Mhairi O'Hara]

*Version 3.0 Launched*


*[image: Inline image 1]*

Version 3 of the Export Tool officially LAUNCHED on 18th September 2017.
The new version is now hosted at export.hotosm.org, with Version 2
available at old-export.hotosm.org until mid November 2017, when it will be
decommissioned .

Major changes include opening up all regions for export, adding more ways
to select the area of interest, additional file formats, enhancing the
feature selection process and redesigning the UI to follow a more
consistent HOT brand across its tools, as well as make it a more intuitive
experience for users.

Please check out the launch blog
 for
more details about Version 3, and stay tuned for a series of ‘Learn Export
Tool’ blogs to follow over the coming weeks, as we take users through
different aspects of the tool’s key functionality:


   1. Selecting Area of Interest (September 25th)
   2. Data File Formats (October 2nd)
   3. Customising Map Features (October 9th)
   4. Applying Exported Data (October 16th)


And if you're attending the State of the Map SOTM-US from the 20th to the
22nd of October in Boulder, come join us for the Export Tool workshop
!


Kind regards,

Mhairi

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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[John F. Eldredge]

On 9/18/2017 11:01 AM, Simon Poole wrote:

Am 18.09.2017 um 11:47 schrieb Stephan Knauss:

Hello Simon,

On 18.09.2017 10:17, Simon Poole wrote:

Depending on the territory you can have rights in marks that you have
not registered and it is probably completely undisputed that OSM is
associated as strongly as OpenStreetMap with the project.

My main interest is whether we actually have OSM as a mark.

I assume you refer to this:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/markeng/__4.html


I wasn't actually specifically referenceing Germany, as said it really
depends on which territory you are looking at.

This requires a majority of the "users" associating OSM with the
OpenStreetMap Foundation, or maybe with the product the OSMF has which
is our database.

I assume without a registered trademark it would be up to the OSMF to
actually prove that they created the OSM mark by using it, right?

In general all trademarks require that you actually use them to at least
maintain your rights,


So wouldn't it be wise to actually register OSM to prevent any doubts
on having that mark? Costs don't seem that high. Googling mentions 300
EUR for a registration.

Are we confident, the majority associates OSM with OpenStreetMap?
There was the OSMAPS@ mark a while ago. It belonged to Ordnance Survey
Maps, which can also be abbreviated as OSM.

Can we even legally use OSM with Ordnance Survey having OSMM?
https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/002782688

Wouldn't they be legally required to protect their mark by asking us
to stop using OSM?

Where is the difference between us weakening the OSMM mark and FOSM
weakening the OSM mark?


Obviously I can't comment or even speculate on OS views on their marks,
and it is just as pointless speculating what we we would do if we were
not constrained by financial and manpower resources (as for example the
WMF for all practical purposes is not). As of now we are just covering
the most important things,

Simon


Under US law, at least, a trademark has to be defended (i.e., 
periodically searching for people making infringing use of the 
trademark, and sending them cease-and-desist letters), or else risk 
having a court later decide that the trademark has been abandoned and is 
now in the public domain, free for anyone to use without requiring 
permission.  This has happened over the years to a number of 
trademarks.  Once a trademark has been defended for a certain number of 
years (I am not certain how long), it gets further legal protection and 
you don't have to defend it quite so vigorously. Back about 15 years 
ago, I worked for a small company that was having to defend its 
trademark, so I have a layman's understanding of the issue.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

It is not bad. But it is centered on two data bases - the Wikidata and 
the OSM. What if in the future there will be more open data sources 
readily available?


Say, a query to listen to an audio-book or listen to music written in a 
certain city, view vacancies, see paintings from museums in a region, 
aerial images of an area, etc.


If synergy, the creation of a whole that is greater than the simple sum 
of its parts, is possible for two parts, then it may be possible for 
more parts too.


Oleksiy

On 9/18/2017 5:13 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote:
I like WOQ. Or maybe WOQL to continue with the SQL, SparQL, MySQL and 
so on. Wok imagery seems nice too.


Janko

pon, 18. ruj 2017. u 09:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev 
mailto:oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch>> 
napisao je:


Wikipedia is not only about data directly related to the map, it
is also
about mathematics, music, astronomy, etc.  But these disciplines
certainly have a relation to a map via places of birth, study, etc.
So what if to continue the traditions of:
MySQL
PostgresSQL
SparQL
Transact-SQL
etc.

Those who worked with a SQL Structured Query Language know what a
powerful tool it is. The Wikipedia (Wikidata) describes the
universe as
we on Earth know it. So my suggestion:

UniverSQL
or a short final variant:
U-SQL

Univers is the French variant of the english word Universe (lat.
Universum).
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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[Simon Poole]

Am 18.09.2017 um 11:47 schrieb Stephan Knauss:
> Hello Simon,
>
> On 18.09.2017 10:17, Simon Poole wrote:
>> Depending on the territory you can have rights in marks that you have
>> not registered and it is probably completely undisputed that OSM is
>> associated as strongly as OpenStreetMap with the project.
>
> My main interest is whether we actually have OSM as a mark.
>
> I assume you refer to this:
> https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/markeng/__4.html
>
I wasn't actually specifically referenceing Germany, as said it really
depends on which territory you are looking at.
> This requires a majority of the "users" associating OSM with the
> OpenStreetMap Foundation, or maybe with the product the OSMF has which
> is our database.
>
> I assume without a registered trademark it would be up to the OSMF to
> actually prove that they created the OSM mark by using it, right?
In general all trademarks require that you actually use them to at least
maintain your rights,

>
> So wouldn't it be wise to actually register OSM to prevent any doubts
> on having that mark? Costs don't seem that high. Googling mentions 300
> EUR for a registration.
>
> Are we confident, the majority associates OSM with OpenStreetMap?
> There was the OSMAPS@ mark a while ago. It belonged to Ordnance Survey
> Maps, which can also be abbreviated as OSM.
>
> Can we even legally use OSM with Ordnance Survey having OSMM?
> https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/002782688
>
> Wouldn't they be legally required to protect their mark by asking us
> to stop using OSM?
>
> Where is the difference between us weakening the OSMM mark and FOSM
> weakening the OSM mark?
>
Obviously I can't comment or even speculate on OS views on their marks,
and it is just as pointless speculating what we we would do if we were
not constrained by financial and manpower resources (as for example the
WMF for all practical purposes is not). As of now we are just covering
the most important things,

Simon



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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 09/17/2017 11:45 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
> woq.com

Minimum offer 90 EUR, who knows maybe you're lucky. Otherwise, why not
stick with WOQ as the name and use a domain likq woqservice.* et al.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Janko Mihelić]

I like WOQ. Or maybe WOQL to continue with the SQL, SparQL, MySQL and so
on. Wok imagery seems nice too.

Janko

pon, 18. ruj 2017. u 09:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev 
napisao je:

> Wikipedia is not only about data directly related to the map, it is also
> about mathematics, music, astronomy, etc.  But these disciplines
> certainly have a relation to a map via places of birth, study, etc.
> So what if to continue the traditions of:
> MySQL
> PostgresSQL
> SparQL
> Transact-SQL
> etc.
>
> Those who worked with a SQL Structured Query Language know what a
> powerful tool it is. The Wikipedia (Wikidata) describes the universe as
> we on Earth know it. So my suggestion:
>
> UniverSQL
> or a short final variant:
> U-SQL
>
> Univers is the French variant of the english word Universe (lat.
> Universum).
> Best regards,
> Oleksiy
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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[Stephan Knauss]

Hello Simon,

On 18.09.2017 10:17, Simon Poole wrote:

Depending on the territory you can have rights in marks that you have
not registered and it is probably completely undisputed that OSM is
associated as strongly as OpenStreetMap with the project.


My main interest is whether we actually have OSM as a mark.

I assume you refer to this:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/markeng/__4.html

This requires a majority of the "users" associating OSM with the 
OpenStreetMap Foundation, or maybe with the product the OSMF has which 
is our database.


I assume without a registered trademark it would be up to the OSMF to 
actually prove that they created the OSM mark by using it, right?


So wouldn't it be wise to actually register OSM to prevent any doubts on 
having that mark? Costs don't seem that high. Googling mentions 300 EUR 
for a registration.


Are we confident, the majority associates OSM with OpenStreetMap?
There was the OSMAPS@ mark a while ago. It belonged to Ordnance Survey 
Maps, which can also be abbreviated as OSM.


Can we even legally use OSM with Ordnance Survey having OSMM? 
https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/002782688


Wouldn't they be legally required to protect their mark by asking us to 
stop using OSM?


Where is the difference between us weakening the OSMM mark and FOSM 
weakening the OSM mark?


Stephan

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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM now supports OSM+Wikidata service

[Yuri Astrakhan]

At the moment, I do not parse semicolon-separated values, but store them as
strings. In theory, it should be possible to split them into URIs and use
them for matching, but it will be painful.   On the other hand, it should
be fairly easy to parse them during upload - RDF DBs work well with
multiple values per statement.  I will adjust my parser and next time I do
a big import, I will update it.  But I am still looking for a server to
host it, so might take a bit of time.

SPARQL language took me a bit to understand, until I went back and simply
read the very few basics - then it all made sense all of a sudden. At the
end, its just a single giant table with 3 columns. :)

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Jo  wrote:

> That is wonderful news! It will take a while before I get used to that
> query language though.
>
> Does it also work if an object has a semicolon separated list of wikidata
> items in for example subject:wikidata? A statue with more than one person
> in it, for example?
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2017-09-18 7:28 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan :
>
>> The "not yet fully named" service is now accessible directly from JOSM -
>> just like OT.  Simply install or update Wikipedia plugin, and it will show
>> up in the download data screen (expert mode).
>>
>> Documentation:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_qu
>> ery_service#Using_from_JOSM
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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[Simon Poole]

Depending on the territory you can have rights in marks that you have
not registered and it is probably completely undisputed that OSM is
associated as strongly as OpenStreetMap with the project.

Why is using it in a domain name etc problematic: for the same reasons
as using any other mark is. Just ask Richard about OsmAnd.

Simon

PS: there is a list on the wiki of our successfully registered
trademarks that we keep reasonably up to date.

Am 18.09.2017 um 09:12 schrieb Stephan Knauss:
> Hello Simon,
>
> On 08.09.2017 20:02, Simon Poole wrote:
>> Further we've added a clarification to the FAQ wrt use of remixes in
>> domain names and that use of the OpenStreetMap mark soley for
>> attribution does not require a trademark notice.
>
> Most of us are not that fluent with trademark law, nor I am.
> Could you please give some hints why "osm" as part of domain names
> should conflict with our registered OpenStreetMap marks?
>
> Like "fosm".
>
> I tried to figure it out, but OSM does not seem to be a registered
> mark of the OpenStreetMap Foundation:
> https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/owners/574987
>
>
> There are two marks of OSM registered:
> https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#advanced/trademarks/1/50/n1=MarkVerbalElementText&v1=OSM&o1=AND&c1=IS&sf=ApplicationNumber&so=asc
>
>
> One in class 9, which does not seem to apply for out context and one
> registered for class 8 and 35 which could with some fantasy conflict.
>
> Again: I fully understand why OpenThingMap or OpenStreetSomething is
> bad. Or why the domain I had a wile ago for training stuff,
> "openstreetmap.academy" is problematic.
>
> But why is OSM as the abbreviation considered to be a problem?
> If we would want to protect it, shouldn't we register a trademark for it?
>
> We in this context is the OSMF.
>
> Stephan
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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM now supports OSM+Wikidata service

[Jo]

That is wonderful news! It will take a while before I get used to that
query language though.

Does it also work if an object has a semicolon separated list of wikidata
items in for example subject:wikidata? A statue with more than one person
in it, for example?

Polyglot

2017-09-18 7:28 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan :

> The "not yet fully named" service is now accessible directly from JOSM -
> just like OT.  Simply install or update Wikipedia plugin, and it will show
> up in the download data screen (expert mode).
>
> Documentation:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_
> SPARQL_query_service#Using_from_JOSM
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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[Stephan Knauss]

Hello Simon,

On 08.09.2017 20:02, Simon Poole wrote:

Further we've added a clarification to the FAQ wrt use of remixes in
domain names and that use of the OpenStreetMap mark soley for
attribution does not require a trademark notice.


Most of us are not that fluent with trademark law, nor I am.
Could you please give some hints why "osm" as part of domain names 
should conflict with our registered OpenStreetMap marks?


Like "fosm".

I tried to figure it out, but OSM does not seem to be a registered mark 
of the OpenStreetMap Foundation:

https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/owners/574987


There are two marks of OSM registered:
https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#advanced/trademarks/1/50/n1=MarkVerbalElementText&v1=OSM&o1=AND&c1=IS&sf=ApplicationNumber&so=asc

One in class 9, which does not seem to apply for out context and one 
registered for class 8 and 35 which could with some fantasy conflict.


Again: I fully understand why OpenThingMap or OpenStreetSomething is 
bad. Or why the domain I had a wile ago for training stuff, 
"openstreetmap.academy" is problematic.


But why is OSM as the abbreviation considered to be a problem?
If we would want to protect it, shouldn't we register a trademark for it?

We in this context is the OSMF.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

Wikipedia is not only about data directly related to the map, it is also 
about mathematics, music, astronomy, etc.  But these disciplines 
certainly have a relation to a map via places of birth, study, etc.

So what if to continue the traditions of:
MySQL
PostgresSQL
SparQL
Transact-SQL
etc.

Those who worked with a SQL Structured Query Language know what a 
powerful tool it is. The Wikipedia (Wikidata) describes the universe as 
we on Earth know it. So my suggestion:


UniverSQL
or a short final variant:
U-SQL

Univers is the French variant of the english word Universe (lat. Universum).
Best regards,
Oleksiy

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