Re: [OSM-talk] Subway Routing in Maps.Me
Hello, same issue here: retagging a single, multi-purpose heavy rail line (out of tens of similar others) to light rail (which it is not) so that one data consumer picks up on it? That is blatant mapping for a renderer, and was reverted by locals who actually have OTG knowledge (in this case, yours truly). Also, not related just to that mass retagging: if you're armchair mapping, great! But please, do respond to changeset comments - maintaining radio silence, especially on questions about an unusual edit, is somewhat suspicious (and in this specific case, it was one of the reasons for a revert). Other than that, I like the feature - a lot; didn't have time yet to bring the local metro up to speed, but it's one of my goals for the new year :) Thanks for your work and best of luck, Jan "Piskvor" Martinec Dne 25. 12. 2017 19:14 napsal uživatel "Martin Koppenhoefer" < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 25. Dec 2017, at 15:34, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > > > What I'd like to highlight, is that zero GTFS feeds were used for that. > All the data comes from OpenStreetMap. > > > Ilya, it’s great to see intermodal routing implemented in maps.me. > > Still this recent concerted action showed yet another time the problems > with people editing out of their familiar local context, and I’d like to > use the opportunity of this thread to point this out and invite other > mappers to check for similar problems in their area (and fix them). > Some months ago a user with a non-local locale had changed a lot of > regional railway routes from rail to light rail in “my area”. Problem is, > those are real railway lines, not light rail. You and some people who > follow you have then used the presence of (only) light rail routes as > indication that also the stations should be light rail stations. This led > to nice consistency, different users mapping different objects (routes and > stations) in a consistent way - just that it was blatantly wrong. > > Please, don’t do it. Do not perform edits that require local knowledge in > areas where you don’t have this knowledge. Do not assume you can deduct > missing data from other map data, especially in a field like public > transport, where few mappers are active, and where bugs and errors might > sleep for longer than in other fields (this point actually might improve > with more people using the data, and this is of course a very positive > aspect of maps.me using this data for routing). > > Again, great to see this now implemented in maps.me. > > Cheers, > Martin > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subway Routing in Maps.Me
sent from a phone > On 25. Dec 2017, at 15:34, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > If you plan a route in one of 74 cities, it will suggest using a subway or a > light rail network. why not real rail as well? E.g. in Berlin it is much more convenient to take a normal train from the airport (SXF) to the centre than it is to take a light rail train (too many stops). Similarly in Rome, most local trains aren’t light rail and you’d miss a lot of connections if ignoring railways. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subway Routing in Maps.Me
sent from a phone > On 25. Dec 2017, at 15:34, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > What I'd like to highlight, is that zero GTFS feeds were used for that. All > the data comes from OpenStreetMap. Ilya, it’s great to see intermodal routing implemented in maps.me. Still this recent concerted action showed yet another time the problems with people editing out of their familiar local context, and I’d like to use the opportunity of this thread to point this out and invite other mappers to check for similar problems in their area (and fix them). Some months ago a user with a non-local locale had changed a lot of regional railway routes from rail to light rail in “my area”. Problem is, those are real railway lines, not light rail. You and some people who follow you have then used the presence of (only) light rail routes as indication that also the stations should be light rail stations. This led to nice consistency, different users mapping different objects (routes and stations) in a consistent way - just that it was blatantly wrong. Please, don’t do it. Do not perform edits that require local knowledge in areas where you don’t have this knowledge. Do not assume you can deduct missing data from other map data, especially in a field like public transport, where few mappers are active, and where bugs and errors might sleep for longer than in other fields (this point actually might improve with more people using the data, and this is of course a very positive aspect of maps.me using this data for routing). Again, great to see this now implemented in maps.me. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Subway Routing in Maps.Me
Hi, You might have noticed an unusually high attention to public transport mapping in OpenStreetMap recently. There was a validator, a big proposal that got rejected, and another one that isn't yet. You might have seen subway route relations in your city edited, to better conform to the PTv2 schema. Why? What was all that for? Last week we have published MAPS.ME 8.0 for Android and iOS. If you plan a route in one of 74 cities, it will suggest using a subway or a light rail network. That includes London, Paris, Berlin, Milan, Moscow, Yokohama, Dubai, Lima and many others. What I'd like to highlight, is that zero GTFS feeds were used for that. All the data comes from OpenStreetMap. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Zverik/diary/43020 This is without doubt the first time somebody has used public transport relations from OSM for routing, considering the state of these relations three months ago. I see the development of the public transport schemas being tied to just rendering, and maybe this would make them better. Who knows, maybe in a year even overground routes in OSM could be used for anything other than highlighting roads. I'd like to thank you for discussing the proposal and mapping, and to ask you for help mapping the rest of the cities. Especially the United States and asian countries. I am willing to explain anything that is unclear, possibly improving the Metro Mapping page. Thanks, Ilya ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Spam-bot friends
Thank you for cc'ing it. I didn't know of that topic. > FYI: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spam#User_description_and_diary_spam > I'll cc the dev list in > Regards, Maarten Regards. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sérgio - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/smaprs ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Spam-bot friends
On 2017-12-25 13:15, Sérgio V. wrote: What a weird new zero edditting user added me as OSM friend. Specially considering this morning. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/StonefireArms Don't want firearms as Christmas gift. Not much to do with OSM. I hope. FYI: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spam#User_description_and_diary_spam currently the most effective way is to mention the problem in #osm-dev on IRC. As I'm not on IRC, I'll cc the dev list in (not sure if that is the same entity). Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Spam-bot friends
What a weird new zero edditting user added me as OSM friend. Specially considering this morning. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/StonefireArms Don't want firearms as Christmas gift. Not much to do with OSM. I hope. In Brazil we call such marketing advert "a shot in the foot" (sorry for the play with words), for its reverse efect. Happy Christmas for those who celebrate it, happy holidays for everybody, "on earth peace to people..." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sérgio - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/smaprs ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GPS Watch
On 24.12.2017 00:05, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > I'm always wondering why people would wear a GNSS logger on the wrist, > where the 70% water mass of the wearer's body is always shielding half > of the satellites. > > On top of the head would be a much better position for the receiver, > at least for the antenna, thus I wonder why there are so many GNSS > watches, and no GNSS hats? Because it is fairly difficult to look at the top of your head? :-) Simon > > tom > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
