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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging
Martin, thanks for explanation, but my point still stands -- in tags, we treat words not at their own meaning, but as IDs that represent some agreed concepts. The German wiki page has a warning about "evangelical", so it is likely not all German-speaking mappers are aware of the distinction, or know English well enough to know this. The same applies to highways - "highway" the word has different meaning in different regions, whereas "highway" the OSM tag should have just a single meaning that's clear to every mapper and every consumer. On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 3:50 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 7. Apr 2019, at 22:23, Yuri Astrakhan > wrote: > > > > A good example is "denomination=evangelical" -- German speakers should > not use it for "evangelisch" which stands for denomination=protestant. The > word may be the same, but we treat "evangelical" as an ID for a specific > meaning, rather than reflect local language customs. > > > actually “evangelical” translates in German to “evangelikal”, which > doesn’t seem to be very confusing. Someone thinking it means “evangelisch” > is likely mapping in a domain s/he isn’t acquainted with. > > Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging
Am 07.04.2019 um 18:12 schrieb Clifford Snow: > The original post on talk-de really seemed to be complaining that the > development staff is paid. Maybe what we should be asking is "Should > OSMF fund development of tools?" I think that isn't really a correct interpretation of the original concern raised. It was more (paraphrasing so I apologize if I'm mangling things too much): the default editor on osm.org is in a privileged position and gives who ever is in control of it has substantial power over the project, this has always been the case and isn't something new (as Richard has pointed out). The concern raised was that there are no real checks and balances (not even the need to finance a living by a day job as Richard had to do) wrt that power. Tagging decision are what the following discussion jumped on, but I don't really think that is so critical, there was a phase when there was a couple of weird decisions, but in general these have always (just as with JOSM) tended to affect low use tags. In the grand scheme of things not really a big deal. I would be more concerned about things being added to iD's functionality that look like "good ideas" but haven't gone through a proper critical (non-technical) review as in "do we actually want this feature and what are the consequences of adding it". Two particularly problematic "recent" additions: recording the last position in the walk through and recording the number of warnings that have been ignored in changesets. It doesn't really matter if this was a requests by the unknown entities holding the purse strings, or if Bryan and Quincy simply thought them up over a beer or similar, they still should have been discussed in a wider (aka not just the OSM-US bubble) audience before the first line of code was written. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging
sent from a phone > On 7. Apr 2019, at 22:23, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > A good example is "denomination=evangelical" -- German speakers should not > use it for "evangelisch" which stands for denomination=protestant. The word > may be the same, but we treat "evangelical" as an ID for a specific meaning, > rather than reflect local language customs. actually “evangelical” translates in German to “evangelikal”, which doesn’t seem to be very confusing. Someone thinking it means “evangelisch” is likely mapping in a domain s/he isn’t acquainted with. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging
sent from a phone > On 7. Apr 2019, at 21:08, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Now while everybody is free to use any tag she likes, I would not >> expect the OpenStreetMap-Foundation standard editor to >> introduce new tags through presets. > > It's been happening since Potlatch 1 came online in 2007, so you should have > had a few years to get used to it by now... Richard, you have great merit in the OSM ecosystem, and all my respect for your notable contribution to OSM, but you really can’t compare 2007 (a bunch of mappers having to develop yet tags for almost everything) with 2019 (a complex tagging scheme for many things is already established). > > I don't follow that iD has any particular status because of its default > location on the edit tab: JOSM arguably has more "heft" because its bulk > editing abilities allow people to impose new tags by force of number, not to > mention you 'orrible lot forever bombarding the poor newbie to use JOSM or > else. ;) most new mappers use iD, I don’t think you can argue about this, and most mappers aren’t subscribed to any channel where they would get such advice to use JOSM ;-) Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
