[Diversity-talk] ️⚧️ Happy Trans Day of Visibility ️⚧️
Today is [International Trans Day of Visibility ️⚧️](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Transgender_Day_of_Visibility), an “annual event occurring on 31 March dedicated to celebrating transgender people and raising awareness of discrimination faced by transgender people worldwide, as well as a celebration of their contributions to society” Trans people are mappers, and hackers, and cartographers, and have always been a part of the OpenStreetMap community. The OpenStreetMap project is creating a freely licenced map of the world, based on how things actually are, based on how they act, and appear, not based on what some government says. OSM is trans positive. I'm a queer trans woman/enby. I've been out and proud as non-cis for years and years, and transitioned and changed my name while on the OSMF Board (and quadrupled my vote!). Everyone has been really cool and accepting and everything. Tagging changes usually take a while before OSMers adapt! yay! It's not all rainbows and unicorns. OSMers misgendering you on Twitter sucks. Discrimination against trans people still exists in the world. I was lucky to legally self ID (). Many counties are waging a war, to various degrees, against trans* & GNC people. In some places it's really bad, some people can live at the edges (some don't make it). My heart bleeds for my trans siblings there. We have always been here. ✊ We need allies to stand with us. If you throw us under a bus when we're inconvenient, you're not an ally. 梁 *cough cough sotm cough*. Remember an important OSM rule: Don't just bulk import your gender from an "official" source. Maybe the on the ground gender you survey yourself is more accurate, and you should throw away the official version? What other stories do you have? ️️⚧️  -- Amanda ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
[OSM-talk] ️⚧️ Happy Trans Day of Visibility ️⚧️
Today is [International Trans Day of Visibility ️⚧️](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Transgender_Day_of_Visibility), an “annual event occurring on 31 March dedicated to celebrating transgender people and raising awareness of discrimination faced by transgender people worldwide, as well as a celebration of their contributions to society” Trans people are mappers, and hackers, and cartographers, and have always been a part of the OpenStreetMap community. The OpenStreetMap project is creating a freely licenced map of the world, based on how things actually are, based on how they act, and appear, not based on what some government says. OSM is trans positive. I'm a queer trans woman/enby. I've been out and proud as non-cis for years and years, and transitioned and changed my name while on the OSMF Board (and quadrupled my vote!). Everyone has been really cool and accepting and everything. Tagging changes usually take a while before OSMers adapt! yay! It's not all rainbows and unicorns. OSMers misgendering you on Twitter sucks. Discrimination against trans people still exists in the world. I was lucky to legally self ID (). Many counties are waging a war, to various degrees, against trans* & GNC people. In some places it's really bad, some people can live at the edges (some don't make it). My heart bleeds for my trans siblings there. We have always been here. ✊ We need allies to stand with us. If you throw us under a bus when we're inconvenient, you're not an ally. 梁 *cough cough sotm cough*. Remember an important OSM rule: Don't just bulk import your gender from an "official" source. Maybe the on the ground gender you survey yourself is more accurate, and you should throw away the official version? What other stories do you have? ️️⚧️  -- Amanda ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] The end of waterway map
I've added a new feature to [WaterwayMap.org: A map showing where waterways end](https://waterwaymap.org/ends/), i.e. a map of the ends-of-waterways . It shows nodes which are “the end” of a waterway, i.e. where the water can't go anywhere else. Uniquely, it calculates the total upstream length of waterway ways which end at a point. It uses the direction of OSM ways, and how they are connected. This should make larger mistakes more visible. Like the rest of WaterwayMap.org, data is updated daily, at the same time. It's normal for there to be ends, like when a river ends at a coastline. This will rightly show up on WWM:Ends. When a river empties into a lake, this will also show up, unless we've mapped a waterway through the lake. There's [active discussion](https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/should-river-lines-be-mapped-through-lakes-estuaries-gulfs-and-other-large-water-bodies/104438) on when & how to do that. # Merging & Splitting When 2+ waterways come together, the upstream value is added together. When 2+ waterways split, the upstream value is split equally. This mostly works well, e.g. when a river splits through a side channel, and then rejoins. If you have a small stream going into a large river, and it's in the wrong direction, then half the upstream value from the big river will go off to the side stream. This is a mapping mistake, and this tool makes it easier to find them. e.g. [way 962171457](https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/962171457/history) is mapped as flowing *out* of the Nile, so it's taking 17,000 km of upstream away! [on `wwm/ends`](https://waterwaymap.org/ends/#map=13.8/17.96527/33.98571). This direction should probably be reversed. Conversely, [this way](https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/67963223#map=19/52.66517/-8.62906) is taking half (930 km) of the Shannon [wwm/ends](https://waterwaymap.org/ends/#map=15.34/52.66393/-8.627153). I don't think this should count as an “end”, but the mapping looks ok. WWM/ends excludes canals. I'm unsure if it's possible to calculate the right value. Perhaps more advanced tag calculations. What do yous think? I hope you enjoy this new map & we all improve OSM together. # See also • a short description of [how it works](https://waterwaymap.org/ends/help/). • [News about WaterwayMap.org](https://en.osm.town/@amapanda/tagged/WaterwayMapOrg) can be found on Mastodon/Fediverse (incl. [Atom/RSS feed](https://en.osm.town/@amapanda/tagged/WaterwayMapOrg.rss)): • This code is on Github: [`amandasaurus/waterwaymap.org`](https://github.com/amandasaurus/waterwaymap.org). [New issue reports]( https://github.com/amandasaurus/waterwaymap.org/issues) are welcome. • The programme which generates it is [`osm-lump-ways`](https://github.com/amandasaurus/osm-lump-ways) -- Amanda ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:38 +02:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I don't think it is reasonable to expect the code of conduct to hold > against forceful outside influence - be that a group of armed thugs > crashing your conference, or a group of policemen come to make trouble, > or the businessperson making a sexist remark at the hotel breakfast buffet. Yes, but no-one's saying it does. A CoC says show the Powers That Be will act. “If you do X, we will do Y”. (e.g. X = “sexually assault someone“, Y = “use our powers as event organisers to legally require you to leave”). But the law might not allow you to do Y, because you;'re “promoting a crime”. -- Amanda ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!
I'm an out, queer trans woman. I presume this event won't be safe for people like me? It's illegal to be gay in Nairobi, and parliamentarians are proposing even stricter, oppressive laws¹. Trans people are often lumped into the same group. The last SotM CoC² said: “[we are] dedicated to providing a harassment-free conference experience for everyone, regardless of … gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, …. We do not tolerate harassment of conference participants in any form”. This CoC wouldn't be possible in 2024, right? I presume the advice from the SotM WG is that this event cannot for LGBTQ people, right? Oh, doesn't this go against the OSMF/SotMWG's safety policy?³ ¹ https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/kenya-could-follow-uganda-east-african-nations-wage-war-lgbt-rights-2023-06-22/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-66079603 ² https://2022.stateofthemap.org/codeofconduct/ ³ https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/StateoftheMap_Organizing_Committee/StateoftheMap_safety_policy On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 19:56 +02:00, Federica Gaspari wrote: > Dear all, > > Get ready to meet and connect with old and new mappy friends from the > global OpenStreetMap community again! > > The State of the Map Organising Committee is thrilled to officially > announce that the global conference of the OpenStreetMap community, > State of the Map (SotM), will be making its way to Nairobi, Kenya from > September 6th-8th 2024! This landmark event will bring together > passionate mappers, data enthusiasts, technologists, and community > members from all corners of the globe to celebrate the spirit of > collaboration and open mapping. > > Following the good feedback for State of the Map 2022 Firenze, the > upcoming State of the Map 2024 will once again be held in a hybrid > format. Building on the valuable lessons and experiences from the > previous events, the SotM Organising Committee is committed to making > this edition even more accessible to everyone who wishes to partake in > this grand celebration of open mapping, sharing passionate voices with > the entire community. > Learn more about the SotM 2024 announcement on the OpenStreetMap blog: > https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2023/08/14/announcing-state-of-the-map-2024-september-6-to-8-2024-join-us-in-nairobi-and-online/ > > More details about the organization will be soon communicated. > Federica Gaspari on behalf of the SotM Organising Committee > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Amanda ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:57 +02:00, Courtney wrote: > Why is the > main "Talk" channel the only one that is producing pushback? Why is it > the only one that is producing such a negative tone? Just a minor point for others: main LGBTQ OSMer found the gender question, and attitudes towards trans* people, pretty bad too. It wasn't just “old cranky cis het white men on the mailing list”! We're all human and make mistakes. It can be hard when you spend a lot of time on something, and people point out a mistakes that you completely forgot about (which happens a lot with privileged people). -- Amanda ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] FYI: Board now requires imports list (in)compatibility with OSM CT (& will work on a template)
Hello fellow OSMers. As you are no doubt aware, OSM requires that data imports be listed on the OSM Wiki ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue ), including if the source is “ODbL OK status”. At the Nov. 2022 OSMF Board meeting (25 Nov), the Board voted that imports should, from now on, list whether the data source is compatibly (or incompatible) with the OSM Contributor Terms¹. The Board has also budgeted to commission a template that OSMers can use to request that data sources release their data under those terms. That will obv. follow later. However given that OSM is mostly volunteer run, I don't know if/when that will be ready for you. The minutes of the meeting have not yet been written, nor accepted, but when they are (in about a month), you will find the specifics here): https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2022-11 ¹ https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms -- A. McCann Secretary OpenStreetMap Foundation Name & Registered Office: OpenStreetMap Foundation St John’s Innovation Centre Cowley Road Cambridge CB4 0WS United Kingdom A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales Registration No. 05912761 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Diversity-talk] Should OSMF adopt a policy about State of the Map conference in places that are LGBTQ*/etc unsafe?
[to summarize my replies] I think there's a common misunderstanding, so I will clarify: I think it is acceptable for the State of the Map to take place in a venue that is unsafe to LGBTQ+ people *if there is no other alternative because that's what the region is like*. Under my proposal, you could have a “SotM Republic of Gilead”¹. On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 15:46 +02:00, Simon Poole wrote: > what criteria must an event fulfil to be able to use the "State of the Map" > brand. Conference > organizers that, for whatever reason, cannot meet those criteria could > still run an OSM related event with different branding and do without > OSMF blessing. Correct. For example, i don't think HOT should adopt this type of policy. On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 8:38 +02:00, Tim Couwelier wrote: > does that rule out having official local chapters from certain areas? Absolutely not! We need more local chapters in general. This is just about the “State of the Map” name, and nothing about OSMF Local Chapters. On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 9:42 +02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Amanda, what about countries like Russia, where AFAIK the sexual > orientations you list are not illegal, but which aren’t exactly known > as safe space for members of these minorities either? On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00, Geoffrey Kateregga wrote: > The point is, there is no country that favors everyone 100%, there will > always be some challenges, LGBT laws On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 8:04 +02:00, Andrew Hain wrote: > we’d risk confining ourselves to a few “safe” parts of the world at the > expense of our wider community. On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:22 +02:00, Jorieke Vyncke wrote: > And a potential SotM Middle East, could that ever happen in any country of > the region? On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 9:41 +02:00, Christopher Beddow wrote: > Is this proposal saying that local mappers in Iran could not hold a > "State of the Map Iran" same as "State of the Map France" does My proposal allows “State of the Map Iran”. Since all places in the region (here “Iran”) have the same laws/societal actions, so no visitor would suffer a “legal downgrade”. I do not think it's fair or right to deny the active local community the ability to have a SotM (or other OSM event). There are times when a “State of the Map” event is unsafe for LGBTQ+ people. In my proposal, a SotM (REGION) can always take place in a country in that region, even if that would require the event to not be safe for LGBTQ people in the region. I do not think it is right to put that high a restriction. My proposed standard is very very low. There are many cities in “liberal” countries where people suffer bigoted violence. No-where is 100% safe, While I might have to think about whether to go to a “State of the Map Europe” in Russia, I do not think that the OSMF should prohibit that under my rule. On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 8:47 +02:00, Stephan Knauss wrote: > I have mixed feelings about the level of political involvement OSMF > should do. Should we also care about environmental protection? On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00, Marie [OSM Cameroun] wrote: > if it is true that OSM is apolitical Someone already proposed an “OSMF will not pay expenses for air fare if there's a train option” (which failed). The OSM blog has been used to campaign against proposed EU laws. The OSMF has already picked a political side on LGBTQ+ issues when it adopted the Diversity Statement. On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00, wrote: > if we organize an event in the USA and we all get shot by the police > because of our skin color what will we say? [...] should State of the Map be > removed from those countries, because its not easy for people to travel > to those locations? I'm more familiar with LGBTQ issues. I'm privileged with my current passport. If you can share advice on making SotM (& OSM) more open to people affected by this, I am open to hearing it. What do you think we should do? PS: Paul out of habit used the wrong name, and did DM me to apologise. It's fine, Paul's a good friend. He owes me a beer. But it's obvious when people _deliberately_ misgender & deadname others. [¹] Gilead is the fictional fundamentalist christian theocratic dystopia in Atwood's “The Handmaid's Tale”. In the book, women are legally forbidden from learning to read (punishment is amputation of a finger!), needless to say, it's not LGBTQ safe… On Wed, 06 Oct 2021 23:09 +02:00, Amanda McCann wrote: > Hello OSM friends, > > So here's an idea... I've previously complained when an organisation > holds an event in a place where it's “illegal to be gay” and claim that > the event is a “safe space”. Since I'm on the OSMF Board, I would be > wrong for me to continue to complain about other organisations and not > try to suggest such a policy for the OSMF. > >
Re: [Diversity-talk] Fwd: Should OSMF adopt a policy about State of the Map conference in places that are LGBTQ*/etc unsafe?
On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:22 +02:00, Jorieke Vyncke wrote: > I do think that the conferences that will suffer most are the regional > conferences like State of the Map Africa, Asia, Middle East. > For example State of the Map Africa could not have happened in Kenya > and Uganda. As in Asia was the case with the conference in Sri Lanka > and Bangladesh. And a potential SotM Middle East, could that ever > happen in any country of the region? In my proposal, a SotM (REGION) can always take place in a country in that region, even if that would require the event to not be safe for LGBTQ people in the region. I do not think it is right to put that high a restriction. ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
[Diversity-talk] Fwd: Should OSMF adopt a policy about State of the Map conference in places that are LGBTQ*/etc unsafe?
Hello OSMers who are interested in diversity. Yous may be interested in this OSMF policy decision from me -- Amanda - Original message - From: Amanda McCann To: OSM Talk Subject: Should OSMF adopt a policy about State of the Map conference in places that are LGBTQ*/etc unsafe? Date: Thursday, 7 October 2021 21:23 Hello OSM friends, So here's an idea... I've previously complained when an organisation holds an event in a place where it's “illegal to be gay” and claim that the event is a “safe space”. Since I'm on the OSMF Board, I would be wrong for me to continue to complain about other organisations and not try to suggest such a policy for the OSMF. The OSMF grants a trademark licence (for the “State of the Map” trademark which the OSMF legally owns) to regional event conferences, and legally, the OSMF runs the annual State of the Map conference. There are several different wordings of this policy possible. My initial idea of a policy is: “you can't have a SotM for [REGION] in a venue if same-sex sexual activity is illegal (& that's being enforced) there, *and* there is a place in [REGION] where that is legal (or illegal & not enforced)”. This covers bi/pan/queer/etc people. I can't easily think of a simple rule for trans/gender identity issues that's as clear cut for the very basic level (e.g. many countries have required gender segregated toilets for a long time and the laws requiring ”birth sex” are new and uncommon, legal gender recognition might not be so relevant for a visitor, etc) so I'll stick to this for now. I am OK with “State of the Map [COUNTRY]” happening in a country where it's illegal everywhere. My goal is to prevent anyone having a *legal downgrade* with “State of the Map”. Many in OSM have spent a long time improving things for minoritized groups, and maybe this is just another step in that process. I am only mentioning “illegal to be gay” because it's a simple, clear standard. I think it could be benefitial to include other standards too (e.g. I believe some countries forbid women from driving). I am focussing on LGBTQ+ issues because that affects me personally, and I know a lot about it. I encourage other minoritized people to speak up if they want. So what do yous, the wider OSM(F) community think about the OSMF adopting this policy (or something like it, or not adopting anything new policy)? -- (P.S.: I recently changed my name and forgot to subscribe to talk@ with this email address) A. McCann Secretary OpenStreetMap Foundation Name & Registered Office: OpenStreetMap Foundation St John’s Innovation Centre Cowley Road Cambridge CB4 0WS United Kingdom A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales Registration No. 05912761 ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
[Diversity-talk] Fwd: [OSM-talk] LCCWG Seeking community input on DRAFT Etiquette Guidelines
FYI - Original message - From: Steve Friedl To: 'OSMF Talk' , t...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] LCCWG Seeking community input on DRAFT Etiquette Guidelines Date: Monday, 16 August 2021 19:12 Hello all, The LCCWG Moderation subcommittee is seeking feedback on its DRAFT Process for Moderation, which would apply to both osmf-talk and osm-talk mailing lists. The document is located in the OSM wiki, and it's open for community input on the Discussion page until September 8 2021. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette/Etiquette_Guidelines This follows the previous draft Moderation Guidelines that were posted last month. We welcome the thoughts from the OpenStreetMap community Steve - on behalf of the committee --- Steve Friedl // OpenStreetMap MWG & LCCWG Moderation subcommittee ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
