Re: [OSM-talk] Use of SOTM logo / web site design
On 22/01/2012, at 9:19, Toby Murray wrote: > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Should OpenMobileMap http://www.openmobilemap.org/ be using the SOTM >> 09/10 logo and web site design? I don't think so. I'd contact them >> about it but there is no way to do that on the web site that I can >> find. Does anyone know who's behind this site? > > A whois on the domain turns up this: > Tech Email: threesea...@yahoo.com > > No guarantee but worth a try. > > Toby Failing that try their web host - mjzhosting.info which redirects to http://www.mjzhosting.net/main.php, which has changed names to http://holeinthewallhosting.com/ To quote their homepage: "Hole in the Wall Hosting is to web hosting as the lively restaurant in that pre-gentrified area of the city is to good taste in food — we probably even charge around the same!" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Geocaching.com moved to OSM (partly)
> A nice side effect could be to further promote OSM within the > geocaching community. Potentially this should bring in addtional > mappers as the entrance hurdle for geocachers should not be too high: > They have GPS units, go outdoors and are typically technically rather > savy... > > Michael (user Ohr) That's exactly how I ended up here. I heard about OSM on a geocaching podcast back in 2008. Geocachers are gps-savvy adventurists who love contributing their knowledge of places and routes, many are map geeks by nature, so OSM is a perfect complement to their hobby. OSM input by expert cachers = better maps on geocaching.com, a symbiotic relationship. Likewise, any OSMers who haven't heard of geocaching may want to give it a go and add a bit of fun to their mapping expeditions. BJ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Offtopic: A vision of America's roads
Very interesting. It shows that this style of simplified system map is far superior to convey route and network information. Back in 1984 we visited Los Angeles and my parents bought a fold out map of the region, and on the reverse side was a colour-coded freeway system map in this same style, with exits, interchanges, and symbols to indicate which turns were possible. I wish I'd have kept it. Now I'm grown up and drive trains around Sydney... and rail system maps are all a part of my daily work. :-) Thanks for sharing. Ben Sent from my iPhone On 09/01/2012, at 5:48, Steve Doerr wrote: > The Economist pays tribute to a map of America's roads in the style of a > subway (tube) map: > > http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/01/maps?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/visionofamericasroads > > -- > Steve > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say
dered tiles. Use client-side in-browser rendering. Choose from 1000's of different map style sheets / templates / cartographic style sheets - whatever you want to call them... use these to display their world in they way that's important to them. And let them contribute their own templates to the project (almost like WordPress templates). View the world from a "Chinese or Tibetan" viewpoint, or any other point of view they can possibly imagine. The template is a starting point. Let them filter, drill, cross reference, look at different layers. These templates are a whole new layer of data - they define data subsets and ways to present it visually. I think the view of our data is as important as the geographic data itself. As the geographic database becomes more complete, contributors to the project will move away from contributing new geographic data, and focus on contributing and perfecting map style templates. The template may even have a role in editing the map data and help with one of Frederik's other points he raised before Christmas relating to the overhead needed to edit (i.e. that you must download the entire scope of data for the geographic area you're working on). A template will only download the relevant data (e.g. public transport routes). Thus, an edit mode invoked from that template view could take us into an editing mode where we only work on that data subset. Just my thoughts and dreams. Lets hope 2012 is a great year for OSM. Happy New Year, BJ On 30/12/2011, at 11:20 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 12/29/2011 10:39 PM, Ben Johnson wrote: There seems to be a duality of identity here. On one hand, some are saying lets make it more accessible and friendly to "ordinary people". On the other hand, some appear embarrassed by the prominence of maps to represent what our community is all about, and they want to retain a geeky "we are not a map, we are a database" ideology. This is not a geeky ideology, this is the heart of our project. Otherwise we'd all be using the Gimp (or maybe Inkscape), and not JOSM or Potlatch. The two goals are completely incompatible because "ordinary people" expect OSM to be all about maps. When in fact we're about providing the ingredients so that great maps become possible. This is the big thing about OSM: We don't decide how the map looks like. We don't decide what is shown on the map. We don't make all these decisions for you. If you want these decisions made for you, use Google Maps. If you want to be part of a project where one guy can make a cycle map and another guy can make a transport map and someone else prints posters and someone else still makes nautical maps, all from the same data, and all precisely because the core of the project doesn't make the map but just the raw data, then OSM is for you. Again, what is embarrassing about a map? It is not embarassing, but misleading. If we were to convey the idea that we are about "a map", then people would come and say "uh, how can I change this motorway to become orange instead of blue, and also I would like the name of that pub displaced a bit so it doesn't obscure the name of the nearby church." Even today we - occasionally, thank god - have people who actually delete things from OSM because they don't want them on "their" map. We have to educate them about how the data is the same for all, but the map need not be. I really do hope OSM finds its way through this quagmire of identity and eventually becomes the world's map, widely used, integrated, and quoted in all kinds of spheres. No. There is no "the world's map". Everyone wants a different map. And that's why we must *not* fall into the trap of trying to provide the right map for everyone. The great thing about us is that, given the right tools, people can *make* the right map for themselves. This is too difficult now, but it can become easier. Take our data, take your ideas, and make your map - not "take our map". Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say
For what it's worth I also think it's very important to have a prominent map on the front page and I believe this whole debate just highlights the fact that OSM is not ready for mainstream and remains a geeky subculture. There seems to be a duality of identity here. On one hand, some are saying lets make it more accessible and friendly to "ordinary people". On the other hand, some appear embarrassed by the prominence of maps to represent what our community is all about, and they want to retain a geeky "we are not a map, we are a database" ideology. The two goals are completely incompatible because "ordinary people" expect OSM to be all about maps. In fact, I was drawn into the project on the premise that OSM is "the Wikipedia of maps", and I found it an exciting prospect to contribute to such a great idea. Well... you go over to Wikipedia and the first thing you see is the front page of an encyclopedia, ready to be searched and used as such. You know there's no bells and whistles, and thats a good thing. You're attracted by the clean commercial-free environment, and you have confidence that the information in Wikipedia has been lovingly provided by contributors who want to leave their legacy to the world by sharing their knowledge and expertise, and rigorously reviewed and checked by other contributors. You don't hear Wikipedia trumpeting "we are not an encyclopedia, we are a database of information." No... they scream from the mountain tops "we are the world's encyclopedia", and absolutely relish in it. Why can't OSM be also scream from a nearby mountain top, "we are the world's map" I mean, what's so embarrassing about providing a good, comprehensive, accessible map? It's an accomplishment of which we should all be proud, not hide away. Yes we don't have gimmicks like street view and satellite view. So too Wikipedia lacks rich multimedia content. It's simple, clean, fast, comprehensive, accurate - and yet very very successful. Again, what is embarrassing about a map? I really do hope OSM finds its way through this quagmire of identity and eventually becomes the world's map, widely used, integrated, and quoted in all kinds of spheres. That's my vision. BJ On 29/12/2011, at 9:09, "Barnett, Phillip" wrote: > Well yes, but instead you've got a very conspicuous link saying 'Where's the > map? .. here it is." > > And also four other obvious maps below that even! > > > > PHILLIP BARNETT > SERVER MANAGER > > 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD > LONDON > WC1X 8XZ > UNITED KINGDOM > T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 > F > E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk > WWW.ITN.CO.UK > Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? > > -Original Message- > From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] > Sent: 28 December 2011 21:51 > To: Thomas Davie > Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say > > Hi, > > On 12/28/2011 10:41 PM, Thomas Davie wrote: > > This is a lot better though than "Can you believe it, OpenStreetMap doesn't > > even have an open street map on their home page!". > > We've been using http://www.openstreetmap.de/ in its current form for 6 > weeks now. I'll let you know when someone complains that it has no map. > (The earlier version did have an OpenLayers map on the front page but > using only about 1/3 of screen real estate.) > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > Please Note: > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically > stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk > > Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of > our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from > our systems. > > Thank You. > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Smartphone app to OSM
iLOE for iPhone is pretty nifty for light editing. Not sure if it's available for Android, but worth checking out if you can get it. BJ Sent from my iPhone On 13/12/2011, at 3:49, Martijn van Exel wrote: > That looks like an exceedingly useful app. Interesting to see OSM > editing software appear on the Win Phone platform. > Does something similar exist for other platforms? I mean a simple, > single purpose app to add or improve POI data. I'm particularly > interested in an Android app. > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Mike N wrote: >> On 12/12/2011 5:10 AM, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: >>> >>> Looks nice! >>> >>> Does it add everything as one osm user? >>> In other words: how does it work 'license-wise'? >>> >>> I'm looking at making something similiar so I'm very intested in this... >> >> >> In the local case, a new OSM ID was created to add the points, so it's a >> good OSM citizen. I don't know if they support OpenID to simplify the >> signup process; I don't have access to a WinPhone to check. >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > -- > martijn van exel > geospatial omnivore > 1109 1st ave #2 > salt lake city, ut 84103 > 801-550-5815 > http://oegeo.wordpress.com > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
