Thanks for your wise comments, Ian. I do clearly see the problem with
individuals tagging up their own favourite routes into OSM. I will put
my personal rides on bikely, and keep adding objective data to OSM.
This afternoon I have discovered a cycle planning document from Newcastle
City Council that outlines existing and proposed routes. They even use the
regional and local terminology, so tagging current routes should be
straightforward. I am baffled by how difficult it is to find information
of this kind from Lake Macquarie and Newcastle councils. They are keen to
brag about the Fernleigh track, but seem intent on hiding all other cycling
info!
I have also found a map of what LM Council considers to be existing cycle
routes. Some of these must be fairly faint on the ground in terms of
cycle infrastructure or signage, but I will follow their map closely and
tag existing routes.
There is one more project that I have only just discovered: the NSW
Coastline Cycleway. Apparently cycleway routes exist for about 300 kms of
the 1400 already, but I can't find anywhere that lists them. I have
learned that the Fernleigh Track is part of this state route, but that's
about it. I will continue researching, because that is something that CAN
go on OpenStreetMap and it would be really useful.
I am pleased to discover that these councils are thinking about cycle
routes, but I wish they would make the info more accessible.
- Lachlan
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi.
I agree with Ian.
Routing sites should be able to connect up disconnected SUPs in a sensible
manner.
As an aside, it would be nice if sites like Bikely supported OSM as a
background.
- Ben.
On Apr 23, 2012 9:07 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:
I can see your argument, and no doubt having useful cycle routes
available is a good thing.
However, I don't think personal ad-hoc cycle routes should be added to
OSM. It is a slippery slope, and OSM can't accommodation everyone's ideal
connecting route.
Instead, I'd add the information (speed limits, road widths, residential
nature, cycle facilities (lanes, etc)) that would allow a typical cycle
router to be able to identify the connecting route between the two
cycleways.
Personally, I think long term this is a better way to go anyway. Some of
the official cycle routes (particularly in Sydney) have poor cycle
facilities, and in the case of the currently tagged Concord to CBD cycleway
IMO is downright deadly. So many people have different opinions on what
makes a good cycle route for them, lets identify the features and get them
all into OSM, and then lets optimise the software to find the best way.
There are lots of services to map personal favourite rides (bikely,
mapmyride, etc).
Ian.
On 22 April 2012 22:09, Lachlan Rogers lach...@rogers.name wrote:
I've recently moved back to Lake Macquarie after some years in Canberra,
and I'm delighted to find that there are more cycle paths around the
central coast and Lake Macquarie than I was previously aware of.
Unfortunately many of them are either incomplete or disconnected from each
other.
I am wanting to scout out optimal on-road routes to connect cycle paths
into excellent recreational routes. For instance the recently opened
Fernleigh (Rail trail) Track ends in Belmont, and just a few kms away there
is a great path around Green Point. I want to tag a route (probably as
lcn) through the streets of Belmont so that viewers can see how best to
join these rides together. To my knowledge there is no official
council-endorsed cycle route.
I recognise some people may have a philosophical aversion to this,
because it is tagging based on usefulness rather than on what is actually
on the ground. I feel, however, that we have an opportunity to scout out
optimal connections and start using them for cycling now, while we lobby
councils to make such routes official. I would choose a tagging scheme
along the lines of network=lcn with status=unofficial or something so
that these routes could be located by a search algorithm if needed.
I've spent a while looking around the web, and there are no decent
cycling maps of the region to be found. OSM and OpenCycleMap would be a
superb resource if we took the liberty of tagging desired routes such as
I have outlined.
How do you feel about this suggestion?
- Lachlan
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