Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst

Simon Poole wrote:
> That however does require the importer/mapper to raise the 
> issue to a level where that support exists. As the LWG has 
> pointed out, that hasn't worked in the past, and there is IMHO 
> no reason to believe that it will magically start working in the 
> future.

Oh, sure, nothing "magically starts working". It requires willingness and
commitment to make it work, just like everything else in OSM. I'm willing to
put effort into licence compatibility (and have made suggestions to LWG,
which they've taken up, to ensure CT compatibility with attribution-required
licences). Are you?

Richard


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-07 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi Mike,

On 7 December 2010 21:44, Mike Collinson  wrote:
> And to confirm ... the new phrase was introduced by mistake when initially
> setting up the 1.1 draft document and carried over into 1.2. I have removed
> it and checked all the other wording, though I'd certainly appreciate
> another check.  The only difference between the proposed 1.2  text:
>
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_933xs7nvfb

The "active contributor" definition contains "who that has edited"
("who" or "that" is not needed).

Can you explain what "You do not need to guarantee that [contributed
data is compatible with our license]" means? Since OSMF is not bound
to remove such conflicting data is there any possibility a user can
submit such data without automatically being in violation of the third
party's rights?

(I have the same doubt about not guaranteeing compatibility with
future OSM licenses)

Cheers

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-03 Thread Grant Slater
On 3 December 2010 16:21, Anthony  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst  
> wrote:
>> Rather, as Francis pointed out: "A mistake? Someone infelicitously drafting
>> the licence? It does happen you know :-)."
>>
>> Or, as ever with OSM, never attribute to conspiracy that which can be
>> adequately explained by cock-up.
>
> The whole thing is a mistake, but I find it hard to believe that the
> wording of the license was an accident.  The fact that it got re-added
> in 1.2 was probably an accident, but the appearance of it in 0.9?  How
> could it be an accident?
>

I'm a member of Licensing Working Group... I haven't followed this
whole thread yet, but if there is a mistake it is a cocked up, not
malicious. We only recently sent CT 1.2 to legal for their review,
nothing back yet AFAIK... We're only human, but legal has lawyers! ;-)

I'll raise this thread at our next meeting on Tuesday.

Regards
 Grant
 LWG member.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-01 Thread Rob Myers

On 12/01/2010 11:40 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Hi,

fx99 wrote:

2 Rights granted. Subject to Section 3 and 4 below, You hereby grant
to OSMF
and any party that receives Your Contents a worldwide, .

can somebody explain to me, who is meant by "any party that receives Your
Contents" ?


Would that not simply be anyone who e.g. downloads "your contents" from
the OSMF servers?


How does this grant interact with 3? Without 3 it would effectively PD 
the data wouldn't it?


I appreciate that the DbCl effectively does this as well, and that in 
both cases the ODbL is what adds the share-alike; I'm just checking. ;-)


- Rob.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-01 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

fx99 wrote:

2 Rights granted. Subject to Section 3 and 4 below, You hereby grant to OSMF
and any party that receives Your Contents a worldwide, .

can somebody explain to me, who is meant by "any party that receives Your
Contents" ? 


Would that not simply be anyone who e.g. downloads "your contents" from 
the OSMF servers?


Bye
Frederik

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