Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(Trolley)
Alex S. wrote : Since it's been brought up, how about a tag/sub-tag for handbaskets? It would be just as nice to know if the local bodega/mini-mart/c-store have them before leaving the house. I suggest a separate tag, but it's a good idea, if this was not proposed or adopted why not =) And this tag could have may subtags like handbasket=number, tag with a node the emplacement, etc. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Liz wrote : What about airport trolleys/carts/trundlers? Mapping the location of those would be useful. Yes, good idea. At first I don't think about airports but there's equelly trolleys. But in this case, the tag become more general and the proposition for the name shop:cart is unadapted... So for the names, there's now the choice between trolley, cart, or maybe trundler. But trundler seems to be specific at Australia, and trolley specific to England, so the more adapted name may be cart=yes/no, I think. What do you think about it ? And an other thing needed to be discuted : what is better between : -Tag the shop/airport/building where there's cart -Or tag the emplacement of the carts parking -Get the choice when tagging between the methods (the first may be used when the emplacement is unknow by the user and the second when when he knows) ? The 2 methods have been proposed on the wiki but there's no comments about it. What do you think ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
On 28 April 2010 22:14, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: Yes, good idea. At first I don't think about airports but there's equelly trolleys. But in this case, the tag become more general and the proposition for the name shop:cart is unadapted... So for the names, there's now the choice between trolley, cart, or maybe trundler. But trundler seems to be specific at Australia, and trolley specific to England, so the more adapted name may be cart=yes/no, I think. What do you think about it ? Try New Zealand, we call them trolleys or carts in Australia... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: So for the names, there's now the choice between trolley, cart, or maybe trundler. But trundler seems to be specific at Australia, and trolley specific to England, so the more adapted name may be cart=yes/no, I think. What do you think about it ? Besides the question of tagging such things, OSM has a long tradition of using the english words for the tags, not the US. This is because the project has been founded there. I don't see why we should change now because you read one complain from Australia and two from US... Btw amenity=shopping_trolley is not so bad. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
John Smith wrote : On 28 April 2010 22:14, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: Yes, good idea. At first I don't think about airports but there's equelly trolleys. But in this case, the tag become more general and the proposition for the name shop:cart is unadapted... So for the names, there's now the choice between trolley, cart, or maybe trundler. But trundler seems to be specific at Australia, and trolley specific to England, so the more adapted name may be cart=yes/no, I think. What do you think about it ? Try New Zealand, we call them trolleys or carts in Australia... Oops, sorry I confused the country ^^' ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Pieren wrote : Besides the question of tagging such things, OSM has a long tradition of using the english words for the tags, not the US. This is because the project has been founded there. I don't see why we should change now because you read one complain from Australia and two from US... It may be a tradition, but it's not a reason for reject directly the proposed name, it could be discuted before ^^ Btw amenity=shopping_trolley is not so bad. This tag may be used for the trolleys parking, not as a tag in complement for shops or airports. And i think shopping_ is not adapted for be use with an airport, but why not amenity=trolley. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Perhaps amenity=luggage_trolley for airport or train station use? In American usage, trolley is a synonym for trolley car, as in street railways. So, you are likely to see American mappers using amenity=trolley for streetcar stops. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:12:43 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley) Pieren wrote : Besides the question of tagging such things, OSM has a long tradition of using the english words for the tags, not the US. This is because the project has been founded there. I don't see why we should change now because you read one complain from Australia and two from US... It may be a tradition, but it's not a reason for reject directly the proposed name, it could be discuted before ^^ Btw amenity=shopping_trolley is not so bad. This tag may be used for the trolleys parking, not as a tag in complement for shops or airports. And i think shopping_ is not adapted for be use with an airport, but why not amenity=trolley. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
John F. Eldredge wrote : Speaking as an American, I think that amenity=shopping_trolley would be sufficient to tell people that we aren't talking about trolley cars (street railways), and it wouldn't be hard to learn the meaning of shopping trolley. So, a tag like shop:trolley=yes/no could be good for all ? An english word, with shop: to not be confused, and not too long, it may be good ^^' Or there's always simply cart=yes/no, cart is short, english and american I think, and adapted for airports, shops and other places where may have trolley/shopping carts. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
I agree that cart=yes would probably be the best solution. That way, you avoid the confusion between different regional dialects, and the context would let you know whether a shopping cart, luggage cart, or whatever was meant. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:43:00 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley) John F. Eldredge wrote : Speaking as an American, I think that amenity=shopping_trolley would be sufficient to tell people that we aren't talking about trolley cars (street railways), and it wouldn't be hard to learn the meaning of shopping trolley. So, a tag like shop:trolley=yes/no could be good for all ? An english word, with shop: to not be confused, and not too long, it may be good ^^' Or there's always simply cart=yes/no, cart is short, english and american I think, and adapted for airports, shops and other places where may have trolley/shopping carts. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(Trolley)
John F. Eldredge wrote: English has a proverbial expression, going to hell in a handbasket, meaning that things are going wrong at a rapid pace. Since it's been brought up, how about a tag/sub-tag for handbaskets? It would be just as nice to know if the local bodega/mini-mart/c-store have them before leaving the house. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
With regards to the fee how would you tag the majority of uk supermarkets where the trolleys accept both £1 and €1 coins? This seams to be pretty standard on all trolleys introduced since approx 1998. On 4/26/10, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: On 26 April 2010 11:45, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: Don't forget that we already use the scheme vehicle=yes/no/designated/maybe/... to express access restrictions for modes of transport - so cart=no actually means no shopping cart riding allowed in here ;-) -Martin Ok, I will change it in the wiki, shop:cart=true/false and the other tags/propositions. But it could be funny create a roadsign No shopping carts =P A lot of supermarkets have a system to stop you taking trolleys/carts home (sometimes instead of a charge) so they have a sign like No carts beyond this line, cart will stop suddenly. You could use the fee tag. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:feebut on the shop=* node that seems strange (an entry fee to a shop?) so I would suggest shop:cart:fee=yes/no (or cart:fee=yes/no) and link to the fee page. I would like to know what coin I need for the trolleys, and I think the fee tag is supposed to allow this with something like fee=0.50 (assumes local currency!), and I think we can assume you usually have just one coin needed. I don't see a need for this information to be rendered on the map, but someone could make an application of providing the information at the side (along with opening_hours etc) when you click the shop or in a list of search results for shops near you. OSM isn't all about 'the' map. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Kev js1982 wrote: With regards to the fee how would you tag the majority of uk supermarkets where the trolleys accept both £1 and €1 coins? This seams to be pretty standard on all trolleys introduced since approx 1998. I have a token which can used in a trolley/cart instead of real cash ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Am 26.04.2010 20:45, Adrien Pavie: Ok, I will change it in the wiki, shop:cart=true/false and the other tags/propositions. But it could be funny create a roadsign No shopping carts =P And by the way: I suggest using yes/no as values instead of the computer science lingo true/false. Claudius ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:13:09 Gregory wrote: In England (and GB English is the choice language for OSM tags) we call them shopping trolleys, or trolleys. In New Zealand they are trundlers. A ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
oh yes please. almost all trolleys I've encountered around home require 1 euro coins - except the ones at Aldi where 2 euro coins are required. Perhaps then I can expand on my script (and someone can update openstreetbrowser) to filter stores by what denomination of coin is required for using their trolleys? What can we do to make this a reality? :D thanks! Ken On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Kev js1982 o...@kevswindells.eu wrote: With regards to the fee how would you tag the majority of uk supermarkets where the trolleys accept both £1 and €1 coins? This seams to be pretty standard on all trolleys introduced since approx 1998. On 4/26/10, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: On 26 April 2010 11:45, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: Don't forget that we already use the scheme vehicle=yes/no/designated/maybe/... to express access restrictions for modes of transport - so cart=no actually means no shopping cart riding allowed in here ;-) -Martin Ok, I will change it in the wiki, shop:cart=true/false and the other tags/propositions. But it could be funny create a roadsign No shopping carts =P A lot of supermarkets have a system to stop you taking trolleys/carts home (sometimes instead of a charge) so they have a sign like No carts beyond this line, cart will stop suddenly. You could use the fee tag. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:feebut on the shop=* node that seems strange (an entry fee to a shop?) so I would suggest shop:cart:fee=yes/no (or cart:fee=yes/no) and link to the fee page. I would like to know what coin I need for the trolleys, and I think the fee tag is supposed to allow this with something like fee=0.50 (assumes local currency!), and I think we can assume you usually have just one coin needed. I don't see a need for this information to be rendered on the map, but someone could make an application of providing the information at the side (along with opening_hours etc) when you click the shop or in a list of search results for shops near you. OSM isn't all about 'the' map. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- http://blogs.linux.ie/kenguest/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Claudius wrote : And by the way: I suggest using yes/no as values instead of the computer science lingo true/false. Yes/no was what I choose when i create the wiki page, but yes/no is already used by access tag for the restrictions on roads.. and I've looked somewhere in the wiki it's preferred use true/false. But it's not false this is a term more for computers, an idea for change true/false ? Lulu-ann says in the discussion page it's better use yes/no equally. I think a mini-vote to choose between yes/no or true/false on the discussion page could resolve this choice. Gregory wrote : A lot of supermarkets have a system to stop you taking trolleys/carts home (sometimes instead of a charge) so they have a sign like No carts beyond this line, cart will stop suddenly. I never see this system in France, we just have to put a coin to detach the cart from the others. You could use the fee tag. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:feebut on the shop=* node that seems strange (an entry fee to a shop?) so I would suggest shop:cart:fee=yes/no (or cart:fee=yes/no) and link to the fee page. I would like to know what coin I need for the trolleys, and I think the fee tag is supposed to allow this with something like fee=0.50 (assumes local currency!), and I think we can assume you usually have just one coin needed. Use shop:cart:fee instead of shop:cart_coin ? Good idea, but can we use it for this because the trolley return the coin when you park it. Kev js1982 wrote : With regards to the fee how would you tag the majority of uk supermarkets where the trolleys accept both £1 and €1 coins? This seams to be pretty standard on all trolleys introduced since approx 1998. I think there's a way to set a default value when the tag is not precised, the standard is 1€ or 1£ (I don't in America), and when the value is different we precise it. Ken wrote : Perhaps then I can expand on my script (and someone can update openstreetbrowser) to filter stores by what denomination of coin is required for using their trolleys? It could be interessant do it ^^ But we have to wait before the vote =s Liz wrote : I have a token which can used in a trolley/cart instead of real cash Yes, i think a lot of persons use tokens instead of money, i use it equally ^^ But the trolleys are originaly made for a sort of coin and precise it could be interessant when it's not the standard value. There's a lot of responses, and I want to thanks all users for the comments =) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Adrien Pavie wrote: Kev js1982 wrote : With regards to the fee how would you tag the majority of uk supermarkets where the trolleys accept both £1 and €1 coins? This seams to be pretty standard on all trolleys introduced since approx 1998. I think there's a way to set a default value when the tag is not precised, the standard is 1€ or 1£ (I don't in America), and when the value is different we precise it. There is no standard in the USA. Most food stores have free carts, where some multi-store malls have pay carts of varying fee. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
In the USA, such shopping carts are normally free; I don't recall ever seeing any that required a deposit. On the other hand, it is common to see baby strollers in shopping malls that require a monetary deposit in order to unlock them from a rack, and I have seen a few people use them as shopping carts. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Ken Guest k...@linux.ie Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:57:09 To: Kev js1982o...@kevswindells.eu Cc: OSM - Talk GBtalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley) oh yes please. almost all trolleys I've encountered around home require 1 euro coins - except the ones at Aldi where 2 euro coins are required. Perhaps then I can expand on my script (and someone can update openstreetbrowser) to filter stores by what denomination of coin is required for using their trolleys? What can we do to make this a reality? :D thanks! Ken On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Kev js1982 o...@kevswindells.eu wrote: With regards to the fee how would you tag the majority of uk supermarkets where the trolleys accept both £1 and €1 coins? This seams to be pretty standard on all trolleys introduced since approx 1998. On 4/26/10, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: On 26 April 2010 11:45, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: Don't forget that we already use the scheme vehicle=yes/no/designated/maybe/... to express access restrictions for modes of transport - so cart=no actually means no shopping cart riding allowed in here ;-) -Martin Ok, I will change it in the wiki, shop:cart=true/false and the other tags/propositions. But it could be funny create a roadsign No shopping carts =P A lot of supermarkets have a system to stop you taking trolleys/carts home (sometimes instead of a charge) so they have a sign like No carts beyond this line, cart will stop suddenly. You could use the fee tag. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:feebut on the shop=* node that seems strange (an entry fee to a shop?) so I would suggest shop:cart:fee=yes/no (or cart:fee=yes/no) and link to the fee page. I would like to know what coin I need for the trolleys, and I think the fee tag is supposed to allow this with something like fee=0.50 (assumes local currency!), and I think we can assume you usually have just one coin needed. I don't see a need for this information to be rendered on the map, but someone could make an application of providing the information at the side (along with opening_hours etc) when you click the shop or in a list of search results for shops near you. OSM isn't all about 'the' map. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- http://blogs.linux.ie/kenguest/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Gregory wrote : A lot of supermarkets have a system to stop you taking trolleys/carts home (sometimes instead of a charge) so they have a sign like No carts beyond this line, cart will stop suddenly. I never see this system in France, we just have to put a coin to detach the cart from the others. In the UK it is an alternative to a coin (which can be annoying if you don't have change). I think there is an interesting trend throughout the years I've grown up of what the latest was. Now I would expect the biggest chains to operate this and smaller chains (or smaller stores) to use the coin system. I believe it works by the wheels locking if they try to go up/down a slope. This also works for flat escalators that allow you to take the trolley to an underground car park or 2nd floor of the store. In Canada a new store has the coins but the carts also say it will stop if you go past the yellow line. They haven't painted the yellow line yet (in 8 months) and we actually managed to take it across the street and down a bit before a bump made it tough to push for a second, and then we rode it downhill, all the way home. It made a good laundry cart in our student dorm for a while until someone must have taken it back for the 25 cents. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Gregory wrote : In the UK it is an alternative to a coin (which can be annoying if you don't have change). I think there is an interesting trend throughout the years I've grown up of what the latest was. Now I would expect the biggest chains to operate this and smaller chains (or smaller stores) to use the coin system. I believe it works by the wheels locking if they try to go up/down a slope. This also works for flat escalators that allow you to take the trolley to an underground car park or 2nd floor of the store. I remember now, there's a system like this at the Ikea Paris Nord 2, on the parking there's a blocking system and the shopping carts can't go over, but it was not like in the escalators. This system is rare in France, but why not add a tag shop:cart=blocking_line on a way where the yellow line is. Alex S. wrote : There is no standard in the USA. Most food stores have free carts, where some multi-store malls have pay carts of varying fee. Ok, so for shops with free carts, we could use shop:cart:fee=no or the value of the fee if there's one. Une messagerie gratuite, garantie à vie et des services en plus, ça vous tente ? Je crée ma boîte mail www.laposte.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Adrien Pavie wrote: Hello, I send a proposal Trolley (in part shop) and I send this RFC to get opinions about this. This is a direct link : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Trolley The tag is for know if a shop has trolleys. All the details are in the wiki. Thanks in advance for comments. Adrien Pavie (alias Dri60) What about airport trolleys/carts/trundlers? Mapping the location of those would be useful. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Alex S. : Why would shops have light-rail trains? Yes, it's for shopping cart or caddie, trains in a shop could be strange ^^'. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Adrien Pavie wrote: Alex S. : Why would shops have light-rail trains? Yes, it's for shopping cart or caddie, trains in a shop could be strange ^^'. because its a model train shop :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: Alex S. : Why would shops have light-rail trains? Yes, it's for shopping cart or caddie, trains in a shop could be strange ^^'. could be? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- http://blogs.linux.ie/kenguest/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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1) I do not see the point in this tag, 99% of supermarkets and grocery stores world wide have some form of carts available for its customers, the few exemptions I have seen are shops that are too small, or shops where you ask for the groceries directly over the counter. 2) shop:cart=yes/no is a more sane tag in my opinion brgds Aun Johnsen On 26/04/2010, at 09:44, John Smith wrote: On 26 April 2010 21:35, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: So, trolley or shopping_cart, this is the question ^^ Trolley is an english word, and osm have for principal language the english. It's more logic have trolley. But shopping_cart is more explicit, and it can be easier understand by users who don't speak a lot english I think. If they don't speak a lot of English they won't care if it's shopping_trolley or shopping_cart, although if it's attached to a place that shopping usually takes place then then the shopping_ bit is probably redundant. In any case, localised preset naming makes the issue irrelevant... Also trams aren't called trolley's the world over, although OSM refers to it as light rail to avoid the confusion I suppose. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Aun Johnsen wrote : 1) I do not see the point in this tag, 99% of supermarkets and grocery stores world wide have some form of carts available for its customers, the few exemptions I have seen are shops that are too small, or shops where you ask for the groceries directly over the counter. I'm agree for groceries and supermarkets, a lot of them have shopping carts, but it's interessant to know the type (a proposition in the discussion page in the wiki) and if they need coins. But others type of shops like do-it- yourself or sports shops... have sometimes trolleys and sometimes haven't. 2) shop:cart=yes/no is a more sane tag in my opinion It's more short and more explicit, I think it's a good idea, because with this there's less language problems between English US and English UK. John Smith wrote : If they don't speak a lot of English they won't care if it's shopping_trolley or shopping_cart, although if it's attached to a place that shopping usually takes place then then the shopping_ bit is probably redundant. In any case, localised preset naming makes the issue irrelevant... Also trams aren't called trolley's the world over, although OSM refers to it as light rail to avoid the confusion I suppose. It's the same idea, shop:cart=yes/no is more short but the shop: could be also redondant with shop=*... But I think just cart=yes/no is too short. It's not easy find the good tag ^^ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Don't forget that we already use the scheme vehicle=yes/no/designated/maybe/... to express access restrictions for modes of transport - so cart=no actually means no shopping cart riding allowed in here ;-) -Martin Ok, I will change it in the wiki, shop:cart=true/false and the other tags/propositions. But it could be funny create a roadsign No shopping carts =P ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
On 26 April 2010 11:45, Adrien Pavie dr...@laposte.net wrote: Don't forget that we already use the scheme vehicle=yes/no/designated/maybe/... to express access restrictions for modes of transport - so cart=no actually means no shopping cart riding allowed in here ;-) -Martin Ok, I will change it in the wiki, shop:cart=true/false and the other tags/propositions. But it could be funny create a roadsign No shopping carts =P A lot of supermarkets have a system to stop you taking trolleys/carts home (sometimes instead of a charge) so they have a sign like No carts beyond this line, cart will stop suddenly. You could use the fee tag. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:feebut on the shop=* node that seems strange (an entry fee to a shop?) so I would suggest shop:cart:fee=yes/no (or cart:fee=yes/no) and link to the fee page. I would like to know what coin I need for the trolleys, and I think the fee tag is supposed to allow this with something like fee=0.50 (assumes local currency!), and I think we can assume you usually have just one coin needed. I don't see a need for this information to be rendered on the map, but someone could make an application of providing the information at the side (along with opening_hours etc) when you click the shop or in a list of search results for shops near you. OSM isn't all about 'the' map. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Hello, I send a proposal Trolley (in part shop) and I send this RFC to get opinions about this. This is a direct link : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Trolley The tag is for know if a shop has trolleys. All the details are in the wiki. Thanks in advance for comments. Adrien Pavie (alias Dri60) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
Adrien Pavie wrote: The tag is for know if a shop has trolleys. All the details are in the wiki. Thanks in advance for comments. Why would shops have light-rail trains? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)
He is referring to what Americans call shopping carts. --Original Message-- From: Alex S. Sender: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley) Sent: Apr 25, 2010 4:34 PM Adrien Pavie wrote: The tag is for know if a shop has trolleys. All the details are in the wiki. Thanks in advance for comments. Why would shops have light-rail trains? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
