Re: [OSM-talk] EuroVelo routes are out of date

2019-10-03 Thread Maarten Deen

On 2019-10-03 10:55, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

Maarten Deen wrote:

Is it an idea to create some kind of ticketing system for this?


I think we already have this:

- create notes on osm.org, including the word "eurovelo"
- search for "eurovelo" on https://ent8r.github.io/NotesReview/


Great, if only it was used like that a bit more...

Regards,
Maarten

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Re: [OSM-talk] EuroVelo routes are out of date

2019-10-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Maarten Deen wrote:
> Is it an idea to create some kind of ticketing system for this? 

I think we already have this:

- create notes on osm.org, including the word "eurovelo"
- search for "eurovelo" on https://ent8r.github.io/NotesReview/

Richard



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Re: [OSM-talk] EuroVelo routes are out of date

2019-10-03 Thread Maarten Deen

On 2019-10-03 10:27, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

EuroVelo routes are not in a great state in OSM. Many of them appear
to have been armchaired years ago when routes were "in development",
and not updated since to reflect the correct route.

A handful of examples:



…and there are lots more.


I'm sure I'm not saying anything new when I say that this is a general 
problem with routes in OSM.


Is it an idea to create some kind of ticketing system for this? Maybe 
put this all in Trac? Because someone who notices this may not always be 
someone who can check it. And you give a few examples now, but leave out 
the lots more that may be close to where other people can check.


Regards,
Maarten

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[OSM-talk] EuroVelo routes are out of date

2019-10-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
EuroVelo routes are not in a great state in OSM. Many of them appear to have 
been armchaired years ago when routes were "in development", and not updated 
since to reflect the correct route.

A handful of examples:

[France]
https://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/#?map=12!49.2876!2.655
EV3 should follow the new cycleway along the Oise, not the busy D932a

[Czech Republic]
https://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/#?map=11!49.9195!14.4621
EV7 is completely wrong in OSM from the south of Prague to Nahoruby, including 
unrideable tracks and a suggestion that cyclists use a “ferry” that in reality 
is a tourist boat that only operates at weekends

[Spain]
https://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/#?map=13!41.9486!3.1467
EV8 now follows the Pirinexus alignment

…and there are lots more.

I realise people are preoccupied with tagwanking over relation tagging [1] and 
sorting [2] and editor snobbery [3], but there’s not a lot of point fretting 
over how pretty the tagging is on the route relation if the route is actually 
wrong in the first place.

Could I encourage people to check the EuroVelo routes in their home countries 
and update them where necessary?

Richard

[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-August/047790.html
[2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-August/047258.html
[3] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-January/042154.html
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