Re: [OSM-talk] Free aerentical data
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rahkonen Jukka schrieb: > It is under GNU GPL Which is, sadly, incompatible with our license. - -- Dirk-Lüder "Deelkar" Kreie Bremen - 53.0952°N 8.8652°E -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH17s0FUbODdpRVDwRAhelAJ9/RF+Vznogj+539lCBiUj5lFCRRQCfco3P XV9qjcIvLhVZhHcXn4VCRSM= =YQfP -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Free aerentical data
Martin Spott skrev: > "J.D. Schmidt" wrote: > >> AD plates are available for any licensed pilot via the FAA, otherwise it >> would be impossible to plan a flight between airports. > > For many countries the use of these 'official' aerodrome ground layouts > is _explicitly_ restricted to performance of real-life flights, no > matter if you get these charts for free or have to buy them from > Jeppesen or your local authorities. Even the comparatively permissive > Danish AIP (I've never flown outside Europe) has a copyright which > reads: > > Copyright > As certain information in this publication are the > property of the Civil Aviation Administration and/ > or third parties, no part may be reproduced except > as authorized by written permission from the > Civil Aviation Administration, Denmark. > > > Take care > > Martin. And they have not been reproduced, as in copied, scanned, etc. What has been done, is taking the lat/lon for various points, such as start and end of runways, taxiways, designated apron areas, etc, and entered those points in a GPX waypoint file. This is akin to loading the waypoints into a GPS receiver, which is acceptable use, and no different from doing that as a private pilot prepping a flight, or a commercial pilot prepping the FMS system aboard the airliner. Then the gpx file has been loaded into JOSM, and lines drawn betweeen the corresponding waypoints, which then has been tagged according to the OSM tagging scheme for aeronautical content. At least for the danish data, it has been verified with SLV (Statens Luftfartsvæsen) that this procedure falls into the acceptable usage of the AIP AD charts, since widths, elevation, slope, placement of navaids, vasi, papi, tower frequencies and so on, are not entered into the DB. Dutch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Free aerentical data
"J.D. Schmidt" wrote: > AD plates are available for any licensed pilot via the FAA, otherwise it > would be impossible to plan a flight between airports. For many countries the use of these 'official' aerodrome ground layouts is _explicitly_ restricted to performance of real-life flights, no matter if you get these charts for free or have to buy them from Jeppesen or your local authorities. Even the comparatively permissive Danish AIP (I've never flown outside Europe) has a copyright which reads: Copyright As certain information in this publication are the property of the Civil Aviation Administration and/ or third parties, no part may be reproduced except as authorized by written permission from the Civil Aviation Administration, Denmark. Take care Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Free aerentical data
There is a source of data that might be helpful. http://www.ourairports.com/ contains information about most of the "official" airports in the world, plus some ones that are not documented. I'm unsure of the type of license, however, if you contact the site owner, he will be glad to help you out. That said. I really think we should have some sort of disclaimer about using aeronautical information in the OSM to be used for reference only. And should not be used for actual navigation in the real world. Blake ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Free aerentical data
Rahkonen Jukka skrev: > J.D. Schmidt wrote: > > >>> "Users: X-Plane users have added many other airports, >> nav-aids and all the taxiways. This data is imported into >> the same database as the DAFIF data, and in many cases >> enhances or corrects the DAFIF data." >>> It is under GNU GPL >>> >> Please refrain from importing any danish airports - they have >> been manually inserted long time ago in OSM from official and >> current airport charts supplied by the local civil aviation authority. >> >> An example - EKCH/CPH - Copenhagen airport/Kastrup can be seen here : >> http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=55.619414169994286&lon=12.6 >> 52493997348078&zoom=14&layers=B000F000F >> >> All runways, taxiways, and apronareas has been taken from the >> official EKCH ADC plate, similar data for airports in other >> countries should be available freely from the civil aviation >> authority governing the airspace in that country. IMHO the >> data gained this way is better, since it is current, >> official, and verifiable. > > Naturally that data are preferred and it would be bad idea to > automatically update anything that exists already. But maybe making the > first insert for missing places. By the way, X-Plane web page informs > that in the USA aerentical data are no more public for security reasons. > > > -Jukka- > AD plates are available for any licensed pilot via the FAA, otherwise it would be impossible to plan a flight between airports. You might not as the average "Joe Public" download the data anonymously anymore, but have to log in with verifiable credentials such as a PPL license number, in order to get the data from the FAA site. Same procedure for the CAA in the UK - pre 9/11 the data was browsable by anyone, today you must register in order to download the PDF version of the AD information or browse the online version. Dutch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Free aerentical data
J.D. Schmidt wrote: > > "Users: X-Plane users have added many other airports, > nav-aids and all the taxiways. This data is imported into > the same database as the DAFIF data, and in many cases > enhances or corrects the DAFIF data." > > > > It is under GNU GPL > > > > Please refrain from importing any danish airports - they have > been manually inserted long time ago in OSM from official and > current airport charts supplied by the local civil aviation authority. > > An example - EKCH/CPH - Copenhagen airport/Kastrup can be seen here : > http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=55.619414169994286&lon=12.6 > 52493997348078&zoom=14&layers=B000F000F > > All runways, taxiways, and apronareas has been taken from the > official EKCH ADC plate, similar data for airports in other > countries should be available freely from the civil aviation > authority governing the airspace in that country. IMHO the > data gained this way is better, since it is current, > official, and verifiable. Naturally that data are preferred and it would be bad idea to automatically update anything that exists already. But maybe making the first insert for missing places. By the way, X-Plane web page informs that in the USA aerentical data are no more public for security reasons. -Jukka- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Free aerentical data
Rahkonen Jukka skrev: > Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure someone already imported all the basic data for airport >> locations around the world but there may be other info that's of interest >> from this data set providing the licence on that data is compatible with >> ours. > > Was the import done from this data? According to the web page users have done > this data much better: > > "Users: X-Plane users have added many other airports, nav-aids and all the > taxiways. This data is imported into the same database as the DAFIF data, > and in many cases enhances or corrects the DAFIF data." > > It is under GNU GPL > Please refrain from importing any danish airports - they have been manually inserted long time ago in OSM from official and current airport charts supplied by the local civil aviation authority. An example - EKCH/CPH - Copenhagen airport/Kastrup can be seen here : http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=55.619414169994286&lon=12.652493997348078&zoom=14&layers=B000F000F All runways, taxiways, and apronareas has been taken from the official EKCH ADC plate, similar data for airports in other countries should be available freely from the civil aviation authority governing the airspace in that country. IMHO the data gained this way is better, since it is current, official, and verifiable. Dutch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Free aerentical data
Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: > I'm pretty sure someone already imported all the basic data for airport > locations around the world but there may be other info that's of interest > from this data set providing the licence on that data is compatible with > ours. Was the import done from this data? According to the web page users have done this data much better: "Users: X-Plane users have added many other airports, nav-aids and all the taxiways. This data is imported into the same database as the DAFIF data, and in many cases enhances or corrects the DAFIF data." It is under GNU GPL -Jukka- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Free aerentical data
I'm pretty sure someone already imported all the basic data for airport locations around the world but there may be other info that's of interest from this data set providing the licence on that data is compatible with ours. Cheers Andy >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jukka Rahkonen >Sent: 11 March 2008 8:49 AM >To: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: [OSM-talk] Free aerentical data > >Hi, > >Just read from gdal-dev about this free and seemingly well organised data >set. >Could it be worth importing the most part of the airports in the world? >Because >of the new OGR driver it might be fairly easy technically. > >-Jukka Rahkonen- > > >Even Roualt wrote: > >Folks, > >for those who are interested in aeronautics, I've just commited in SVN >trunk a >new OGR driver 'XPLANE' that can read aerantical data (airports, runways, >taxiways, navigation aids, IFR intersections, airways) from a text format >used by the X-Plane and Flightgear flight simulators. > >A few links : >http://x-plane.org/home/robinp/index.htm : Robin's aviation simulator data >homepage. >http://x-plane.org/home/robinp/FileDef.htm : Specification of the format. >http://x-plane.org/home/robinp/AptNav200712XP861.zip : Free data. >http://www.gdal.org/ogr/drv_xplane.html : Documentation of the driver. > > > >___ >talk mailing list >talk@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Free aerentical data
Hi, Just read from gdal-dev about this free and seemingly well organised data set. Could it be worth importing the most part of the airports in the world? Because of the new OGR driver it might be fairly easy technically. -Jukka Rahkonen- Even Roualt wrote: Folks, for those who are interested in aeronautics, I've just commited in SVN trunk a new OGR driver 'XPLANE' that can read aerantical data (airports, runways, taxiways, navigation aids, IFR intersections, airways) from a text format used by the X-Plane and Flightgear flight simulators. A few links : http://x-plane.org/home/robinp/index.htm : Robin's aviation simulator data homepage. http://x-plane.org/home/robinp/FileDef.htm : Specification of the format. http://x-plane.org/home/robinp/AptNav200712XP861.zip : Free data. http://www.gdal.org/ogr/drv_xplane.html : Documentation of the driver. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
