Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

> Am 23.10.2014 um 20:24 schrieb David Cuenca :
> 
> I have sent a couple of emails to action cam manufacturers requesting a 
> "distance lapse" function.


I typically see higher offset/imprecision/"wandering around when standing 
still" on the phone GPS than what I think would make sense to set as distance 
between 2 photos. I'm on iPhone4S, maybe more recent phones do better, but I 
doubt it, as the antenna seems to be the main problem.

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[David Cuenca]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Craig Wallace  wrote:

> But you can do this with TriggerTrap mobile app. It works with a dongle to
> control a variety of cameras. It has a 'distancelapse' mode, nice tutorial
> here: http://howto.triggertrap.com/howto/road-trip-timelapse/


Nice feature! I have sent a couple of emails to action cam manufacturers
requesting a "distance lapse" function.

It would be practical if the cams had it included already.

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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Toby Murray]

I am interested in this as well. I have two Biking Across Kansas tours
worth of video and GPS traces that I still haven't gotten around to
processing into map data yet. I briefly looked at the JOSM video plugin a
while ago and, like someone else reported, couldn't get it working. Maybe
once I finish my current project of getting support for OSM notes into
JOSM-core, I'll take a look at it again...

Toby


On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:20 AM, David Cuenca  wrote:

> There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their
> itinerary.
> Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street
> view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps trace,
> it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization points between
> map and video.
>
> It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Craig Wallace]

On 2014-10-23 16:59, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:

On 23/10/2014 15:00, Craig Wallace wrote:

taking a photo every second, or maybe every 5 or 10 seconds, depends
on what you are surveying and how fast you are moving.


Do none of those cameras offer the logical alternative to timelapse - a
'spacelapse' mode that uses the camera's knowledge of position through
its GPS receiver to capture a picture every ten meters instead of every
ten seconds ?


None of the GoPro cameras have GPS built in, so not possible with them. 
Don't know about other brands.


But you can do this with TriggerTrap mobile app. It works with a dongle 
to control a variety of cameras. It has a 'distancelapse' mode, nice 
tutorial here: http://howto.triggertrap.com/howto/road-trip-timelapse/


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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 23/10/2014 15:00, Craig Wallace wrote:
taking a photo every second, or maybe every 5 or 10 seconds, depends 
on what you are surveying and how fast you are moving. 


Do none of those cameras offer the logical alternative to timelapse - a 
'spacelapse' mode that uses the camera's knowledge of position through 
its GPS receiver to capture a picture every ten meters instead of every 
ten seconds ?



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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Simon Poole]

It has all kinds of problems not that they are not fixable, but stuff
like assuming a fixed 1s GPS recording interval and similar and AFAIK
there was never a stable version released. Given that one of the nice
things about videos is that you don't actually need an exact position
for them to be useful, I never felt motivated enough to spend the time
to fix it.

Simon



Am 23.10.2014 16:48, schrieb Mike Thompson:
> Does anyone know if the video plugin for JOSM works under Windows? I
> tried it about a year ago and couldn't get it to work. If it is not
> working, is anyone working on a fix or another video plugin?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson  > wrote:
> 
> Well all the images are under CC-BY-SA license
> 
> http://www.mapillary.com/legal.html
> 
> I don't see anyone at the moment making another non-profit solution
> that gives an instant benefit to OSM (via iD editor). Storage space
> and bandwidth are never free while volunteer time is, wether it is
> programming or contributing material, so until then anyone offering
> a similar service will require income to pay for it.
> 
> Mapillary is the best answer to your question at this point in time.
> That is all I can say.
>  
> 
> Þann 23.10.2014 11:33, skrifaði David Cuenca:
>> The business activity of the for-profit company Mapillary is not
>> new. Before it was acquired by Google, Panoramio did the same:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramio
>>
>> I don't see any point in working for free for a private company so
>> they can sell their services to third parties. I was asking here
>> to see if there is a not-for profit way of reaching the same goal.
>>
>> Thanks for your support,
>> Micru
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Janko Mihelić > > wrote:
>>
>> There is a blog entry about uploading GoPro photos to Mapillary:
>>
>> http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/07/21/upload-scripts.html
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Tom MacWright]

Panoramio didn't state any open license for uploaded content, so it was
easy for them to go closed with Google. Mapillary does, so it should be as
safe as contributing data to OSM, in terms of "what happens if it all goes
away or becomes evil".

I'm sure that everyone would be very supportive of a not-for-profit
alternative, but given the reality of how expensive it is to run and
continuously develop services that intake and distribute a lot of data,
you'd probably need to get a sizeable grant, which would then be
time-limited so would have to pursue another grant every year or two. Or
you would have to take another route that would ruin the idea of open
community purity, like advertising.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

> Does anyone know if the video plugin for JOSM works under Windows? I tried
> it about a year ago and couldn't get it to work. If it is not working, is
> anyone working on a fix or another video plugin?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson 
> wrote:
>
>>  Well all the images are under CC-BY-SA license
>>
>> http://www.mapillary.com/legal.html
>>
>> I don't see anyone at the moment making another non-profit solution that
>> gives an instant benefit to OSM (via iD editor). Storage space and
>> bandwidth are never free while volunteer time is, wether it is programming
>> or contributing material, so until then anyone offering a similar service
>> will require income to pay for it.
>>
>> Mapillary is the best answer to your question at this point in time. That
>> is all I can say.
>>
>>
>>  Þann 23.10.2014 11:33, skrifaði David Cuenca:
>>
>>   The business activity of the for-profit company Mapillary is not new.
>> Before it was acquired by Google, Panoramio did the same:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramio
>>
>>  I don't see any point in working for free for a private company so they
>> can sell their services to third parties. I was asking here to see if there
>> is a not-for profit way of reaching the same goal.
>>
>>  Thanks for your support,
>>  Micru
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Janko Mihelić  wrote:
>>
>>> There is a blog entry about uploading GoPro photos to Mapillary:
>>>
>>> http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/07/21/upload-scripts.html
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Mike Thompson]

Does anyone know if the video plugin for JOSM works under Windows? I tried
it about a year ago and couldn't get it to work. If it is not working, is
anyone working on a fix or another video plugin?

Mike



On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson 
wrote:

>  Well all the images are under CC-BY-SA license
>
> http://www.mapillary.com/legal.html
>
> I don't see anyone at the moment making another non-profit solution that
> gives an instant benefit to OSM (via iD editor). Storage space and
> bandwidth are never free while volunteer time is, wether it is programming
> or contributing material, so until then anyone offering a similar service
> will require income to pay for it.
>
> Mapillary is the best answer to your question at this point in time. That
> is all I can say.
>
>
>  Þann 23.10.2014 11:33, skrifaði David Cuenca:
>
>   The business activity of the for-profit company Mapillary is not new.
> Before it was acquired by Google, Panoramio did the same:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramio
>
>  I don't see any point in working for free for a private company so they
> can sell their services to third parties. I was asking here to see if there
> is a not-for profit way of reaching the same goal.
>
>  Thanks for your support,
>  Micru
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Janko Mihelić  wrote:
>
>> There is a blog entry about uploading GoPro photos to Mapillary:
>>
>> http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/07/21/upload-scripts.html
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Hans De Kryger]

I completely agree with David. I  disagree with mapillary's terms of
service.

Regards,
Hans
On Oct 23, 2014 6:03 AM, "Craig Wallace"  wrote:

> On 2014-10-23 11:20, David Cuenca wrote:
>
>> There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their
>> itinerary.
>> Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street
>> view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps
>> trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization
>> points between map and video.
>>
>> It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas.
>>
>
> For the GoPro, I find its usually more useful in timelapse model.
> ie taking a photo every second, or maybe every 5 or 10 seconds, depends on
> what you are surveying and how fast you are moving.
>
> The still photos are usually much better quality and higher resolution
> than frames from the video. So more useful for reading housenames etc.
> Plus its easy to geotag all of the photos (I use GeoSetter), then load
> them into JOSM.
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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Craig Wallace]

On 2014-10-23 11:20, David Cuenca wrote:

There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their
itinerary.
Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street
view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps
trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization
points between map and video.

It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas.


For the GoPro, I find its usually more useful in timelapse model.
ie taking a photo every second, or maybe every 5 or 10 seconds, depends 
on what you are surveying and how fast you are moving.


The still photos are usually much better quality and higher resolution 
than frames from the video. So more useful for reading housenames etc.
Plus its easy to geotag all of the photos (I use GeoSetter), then load 
them into JOSM.


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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2014-10-23 13:59 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca :

> And now with 360° HD cameras getting cheaper, maybe it would be possible
> to use them for locating street numbers.



>From my findings the time you are saving by recording everything instead of
selecting at surveytime what you want to map by taking a focused photo or
note, will be spent twice and more when looking for useful pictures in the
video later (and you'll risk to miss a lot of important stuff, but you will
be able to map a lot of detail, re-using the same footage over and over
again and still will find unmapped stuff). It depends on what you map which
method is most useful, e.g. for speed limits or lanes count, automatic
video recording is probably perfect, for housenumbers you'd need a setup
similar to Google's in order to get sufficient detail (and still you can
see in streetview that sometimes the feature you are interested in is
covered by something else or that the light conditions do not allow to
discern what you are after). This might have gotten better with higher
resolution cameras now. For the purpose of mapping my guess is that rather
than 120fps@fullHD you should set the cam to 30fps@4K.

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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

I mapped house numbers in this area http://osm.org/go/0CFtB2b71--

As you can see there are service roads with private access. I never had
any problem to cycle on these roads, note the numbers and put down
numbers into a smartphone application. But I would not want to film with
a video-camera continuously in such areas.

I used to employ the /OSMPad/ application for mapping numbers
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmPad , but for some reason it
stopped working on my iPhone after iOS 8 update. And there is no update
in App Store.

I took just seconds to map several houses with the /OSMPad/ , no more
than to stop and check an SMS or a Whatsup message. I downloaded
/OSMhunter/ and will give it a try. But I have a feeling that
disappearance of /the OSMPad /would be a major setback/./

brgds
Oleksiy

On 23.10.2014 13:59, David Cuenca wrote:
> ... with 360° HD cameras getting cheaper, maybe it would be possible
> to use them for locating street numbers.
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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[David Cuenca]

Simon,thanks for sharing, it is really cool to see that there are so many
possibilities! And now with 360° HD cameras getting cheaper, maybe it would
be possible to use them for locating street numbers.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Video_mapping
> and
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Video_Mapping_with_the_ContourGPS_Helmet_Camera
>
> It is my preferred way of surveying if not on foot. There are numerous
> problems, for example current affordable video cams tend to not have
> enough resolution for stuff like house numbers and so on. But for a lot
> of larger things it is very efficient.
>
> Simon
>
> Am 23.10.2014 12:20, schrieb David Cuenca:
> > There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their
> > itinerary.
> > Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street
> > view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps
> > trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization
> > points between map and video.
> >
> > It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Micru
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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Jóhannes Birgir Jensson]

Well all the images are under CC-BY-SA license

http://www.mapillary.com/legal.html

I don't see anyone at the moment making another non-profit solution that 
gives an instant benefit to OSM (via iD editor). Storage space and 
bandwidth are never free while volunteer time is, wether it is 
programming or contributing material, so until then anyone offering a 
similar service will require income to pay for it.


Mapillary is the best answer to your question at this point in time. 
That is all I can say.



Þann 23.10.2014 11:33, skrifaði David Cuenca:
The business activity of the for-profit company Mapillary is not new. 
Before it was acquired by Google, Panoramio did the same:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramio

I don't see any point in working for free for a private company so 
they can sell their services to third parties. I was asking here to 
see if there is a not-for profit way of reaching the same goal.


Thanks for your support,
Micru

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Janko Mihelić > wrote:


There is a blog entry about uploading GoPro photos to Mapillary:

http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/07/21/upload-scripts.html

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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Simon Poole]

See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Video_mapping
and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Video_Mapping_with_the_ContourGPS_Helmet_Camera

It is my preferred way of surveying if not on foot. There are numerous
problems, for example current affordable video cams tend to not have
enough resolution for stuff like house numbers and so on. But for a lot
of larger things it is very efficient.

Simon

Am 23.10.2014 12:20, schrieb David Cuenca:
> There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their
> itinerary.
> Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street
> view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps
> trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization
> points between map and video.
> 
> It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[David Cuenca]

The business activity of the for-profit company Mapillary is not new.
Before it was acquired by Google, Panoramio did the same:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramio

I don't see any point in working for free for a private company so they can
sell their services to third parties. I was asking here to see if there is
a not-for profit way of reaching the same goal.

Thanks for your support,
Micru

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> There is a blog entry about uploading GoPro photos to Mapillary:
>
> http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/07/21/upload-scripts.html
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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

Rather, 7200 photos (120 fps х 60 seconds).
brgds
Oleksiy

On 23.10.2014 12:58, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
> ... GoPro-4 makes about 120 fps (frames per second) in video mode. It
> means 120 photos per second, in one minute it will be 720 HD photos. I
> think it will overwhelm the server.

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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Janko Mihelić]

There is a blog entry about uploading GoPro photos to Mapillary:

http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/07/21/upload-scripts.html

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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

It is possible to upload photos to the  Crowdsourced Street Level Photos
http://www.mapillary.com/ from its smartphone application or manually.
The photos just must have the following EXIF tags:
["GPSLongitude"]
["GPSLatitude"]
["DateTimeOriginal","DateTimeDigitized","DateTime","GPSDateStamp"]
["Orientation"]

I tried to upload to the Mapillary photos from Canon 70D camera with the
GPS receiver Canon GP-E2. It recognizes them all right and places them
on the map in the right spot.

But GoPro-4 makes about 120 fps (frames per second) in video mode. It
means 120 photos per second, in one minute it will be 720 HD photos. I
think it will overwhelm the server.

Perhaps, in photo mode? Though I do not own GoPro.

brgds
Oleksiy

On 23.10.2014 12:20, David Cuenca wrote:
> There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their
> itinerary.
> Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of
> street view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no
> gps trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization
> points between map and video.
>
> It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[Jóhannes Birgir Jensson]

I think you are looking for Mapillary!

Mapillary images are now built into the iD editor, if you go into 
Background settings you can check the Photo Overlay (Mapillary) option 
and see images from there.


Example area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=18/64.08253/-21.80923

Þann 23.10.2014 10:20, skrifaði David Cuenca:
There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their 
itinerary.
Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of 
street view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no 
gps trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization 
points between map and video.


It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas.

Cheers,
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[OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?

[David Cuenca]

There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their
itinerary.
Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street
view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps trace,
it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization points between
map and video.

It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas.

Cheers,
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