Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

[Christopher Jones]

Hi Tom,

On 14 Dec 2020, at 18:45, Tom Hughes via talk  wrote:
> Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated
> to deploy than what we have.

It's been packaged in ubuntu since bionic (as mailman3), It certainly has more 
moving parts though.

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[ipswichmapper--- via talk]

Thanks, for the links. Very insightful diiscussion at Github, however the forum 
link isn't working.
-- 
 


14 Dec 2020, 19:48 by talk@openstreetmap.org:

>
>
>
> Dec 14, 2020, 20:23 by j...@liotier.org:
>
>> On 12/14/20 8:13 PM, >> ipswichmap...@tutanota.com>>  wrote:
>>
>>> > A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners ishorrid.
>>>
>>> Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose?
>>>
>>
>> From Tom's answer, you might gather that there are higher  priorities 
>> that absorb administrative resources - so unless you  can offer a hand, 
>> I'm afraid that things will remain as they are  for now.
>>
>>
> See
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/377
> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=68929
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Top_Ten_Tasks=20100=2072003=1971678
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

[Paul Johnson]

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 1:51 PM ipswichmapper--- via talk <
talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> You are right. If updating to mailman 3 will take monrhs of work it is
> probably not worth trying to make any changes right now.
>

Recurring OpenStreetMap theme:  If fixing something takes absolutely any
effort at all, then it's not worth doing, even if the effort already is
underway.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Dec 14, 2020, 20:23 by j...@liotier.org:

> On 12/14/20 8:13 PM, > ipswichmap...@tutanota.com>  wrote:
>
>> > A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners ishorrid.
>>
>> Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose?
>>
>
> From Tom's answer, you might gather that there are higher  priorities 
> that absorb administrative resources - so unless you  can offer a hand, 
> I'm afraid that things will remain as they are  for now.
>
>
See
https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/377
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=68929
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Top_Ten_Tasks=20100=2072003=1971678

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Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

[ipswichmapper--- via talk]

You are right. If updating to mailman 3 will take monrhs of work it is probably 
not worth trying to make any changes right now.

I was wondering, however, what changes to the mailing list the team are 
considering doing in the future, as Tom said they are looking into things.
Thanks,
IpswichMapper-- 
 


14 Dec 2020, 19:23 by j...@liotier.org:

> On 12/14/20 8:13 PM, > ipswichmap...@tutanota.com>  wrote:
>
>> > A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners ishorrid.
>>
>> Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose?
>>
>
> From Tom's answer, you might gather that there are higher  priorities 
> that absorb administrative resources - so unless you  can offer a hand, 
> I'm afraid that things will remain as they are  for now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> -- 
>>
>> 14 Dec 2020, 19:07 by >> t...@compton.nu>> :
>>
>>> That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data
>>> and it doesn't cover anything related to actually  installing
>>> and configuring all the components of mailman 3 from a
>>> quick look which is a big issue given that it's not  packaged
>>> and it's a not a single tool like mailman 2 but rather is
>>> a collection of separate components.
>>>
>>> Given that we're already looking at other things there is
>>> no point in spending several months and many man hours on
>>> attempting a migration to something that we have to install
>>> from source and then try and keep up to date without any
>>> upstream packages.
>>>
>>> You're right that the UI tries to be a web forum but from
>>> personal experience I can say that it fails - it's probably
>>> a better UI as a simple archiver but it's no use as a way
>>> of reading lists day to day. The only thing that's ever
>>> got close to that is Discourse.
>>>
>>> A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On 14/12/2020 18:58, >>> ipswichmap...@tutanota.com>>>  wrote:
>>>
 Python's mailing lists use mailman 3:

 https://www.python.org/community/lists/   
  
 

 What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more
 useable than pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum.

 If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck.The 
 mailman focs doesn't make it look that hard (is itskipping 
 over OSM server specific steps that make theprocess harder?)

 https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html   
  
 

 Thanks,
 IpswichMapper
 -- 



 14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by  t...@compton.nu :

 It's not going to happen.

 Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception ofFedora
 and I know from using it there that the UI is adisaster.

 Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far morecomplicated 
 to
 deploy than what we have.

 Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basicallya
 totally different product.

 There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3.

 Tom

 On 14/12/2020 18:42,  ipswichmap...@tutanota.com  wrote:

 Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havdmailman
 administration experience, or that much codingexperience for
 that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with10+
 years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty isactually 
 useable.

 -- 


 14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by  j...@liotier.org :

 From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at
 https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman
  
  ,
 Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you havemailman
 administration experience, maybe you could make ithappen.


 On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:


 I was wondering if all the lists on
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org
  
 could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (thenewest
 archiver).

 Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is
 *unusable*.
 Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.

 From my experience, the mailing lists are *far moreactive*
 than
 the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable& more
 accessible (the only downside to this is newer usersmight
 use the
 mailing list now. I don't think this is a 

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 12/14/20 8:13 PM, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:

> A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.

Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose?


From Tom's answer, you might gather that there are higher priorities 
that absorb administrative resources - so unless you can offer a hand, 
I'm afraid that things will remain as they are for now.





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14 Dec 2020, 19:07 by t...@compton.nu:

That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data
and it doesn't cover anything related to actually installing
and configuring all the components of mailman 3 from a
quick look which is a big issue given that it's not packaged
and it's a not a single tool like mailman 2 but rather is
a collection of separate components.

Given that we're already looking at other things there is
no point in spending several months and many man hours on
attempting a migration to something that we have to install
from source and then try and keep up to date without any
upstream packages.

You're right that the UI tries to be a web forum but from
personal experience I can say that it fails - it's probably
a better UI as a simple archiver but it's no use as a way
of reading lists day to day. The only thing that's ever
got close to that is Discourse.

A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.

Tom

On 14/12/2020 18:58, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:

Python's mailing lists use mailman 3:

https://www.python.org/community/lists/


What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more
useable than pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum.

If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The
mailman focs doesn't make it look that hard (is it skipping
over OSM server specific steps that make the process harder?)

https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html


Thanks,
IpswichMapper
-- 




14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by t...@compton.nu:

It's not going to happen.

Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora
and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster.

Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated to
deploy than what we have.

Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a
totally different product.

There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3.

Tom

On 14/12/2020 18:42, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:

Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman
administration experience, or that much coding experience for
that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+
years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually useable.

-- 



14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by j...@liotier.org:

From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at
https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman
,
Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman
administration experience, maybe you could make it happen.


On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:


I was wondering if all the lists on
https://lists.openstreetmap.org

could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest
archiver).

Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is
*unusable*.
Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.

From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active*
than
the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more
accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might
use the
mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I
understand why others would think so).

Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on
maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.*

I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to
mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists
so, so
much more useable.




-- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)
http://compton.nu/



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Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

[ipswichmapper--- via talk]

> A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.

Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose?-- 

14 Dec 2020, 19:07 by t...@compton.nu:

> That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data
> and it doesn't cover anything related to actually installing
> and configuring all the components of mailman 3 from a
> quick look which is a big issue given that it's not packaged
> and it's a not a single tool like mailman 2 but rather is
> a collection of separate components.
>
> Given that we're already looking at other things there is
> no point in spending several months and many man hours on
> attempting a migration to something that we have to install
> from source and then try and keep up to date without any
> upstream packages.
>
> You're right that the UI tries to be a web forum but from
> personal experience I can say that it fails - it's probably
> a better UI as a simple archiver but it's no use as a way
> of reading lists day to day. The only thing that's ever
> got close to that is Discourse.
>
> A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.
>
> Tom
>
> On 14/12/2020 18:58, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:
>
>> Python's mailing lists use mailman 3:
>>
>> https://www.python.org/community/lists/ 
>> 
>>
>> What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more useable than 
>> pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum.
>>
>> If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The mailman focs 
>> doesn't make it look that hard (is it skipping over OSM server specific 
>> steps that make the process harder?)
>>
>> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html 
>> 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> IpswichMapper
>> -- 
>>
>>
>>
>> 14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by t...@compton.nu:
>>
>>  It's not going to happen.
>>
>>  Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora
>>  and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster.
>>
>>  Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated to
>>  deploy than what we have.
>>
>>  Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a
>>  totally different product.
>>
>>  There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3.
>>
>>  Tom
>>
>>  On 14/12/2020 18:42, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:
>>
>>  Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman
>>  administration experience, or that much coding experience for
>>  that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+
>>  years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually useable.
>>
>>  -- 
>>
>>
>>  14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by j...@liotier.org:
>>
>>  From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at
>>  https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman
>>  ,
>>  Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman
>>  administration experience, maybe you could make it happen.
>>
>>
>>  On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I was wondering if all the lists on
>>  https://lists.openstreetmap.org
>>  
>>  could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest
>>  archiver).
>>
>>  Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is
>>  *unusable*.
>>  Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.
>>
>>  From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active*
>>  than
>>  the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more
>>  accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might
>>  use the
>>  mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I
>>  understand why others would think so).
>>
>>  Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on
>>  maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.*
>>
>>  I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to
>>  mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists
>>  so, so
>>  much more useable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)
>>  http://compton.nu/
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)
> http://compton.nu/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

[Tom Hughes via talk]

That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data
and it doesn't cover anything related to actually installing
and configuring all the components of mailman 3 from a
quick look which is a big issue given that it's not packaged
and it's a not a single tool like mailman 2 but rather is
a collection of separate components.

Given that we're already looking at other things there is
no point in spending several months and many man hours on
attempting a migration to something that we have to install
from source and then try and keep up to date without any
upstream packages.

You're right that the UI tries to be a web forum but from
personal experience I can say that it fails - it's probably
a better UI as a simple archiver but it's no use as a way
of reading lists day to day. The only thing that's ever
got close to that is Discourse.

A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.

Tom

On 14/12/2020 18:58, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:

Python's mailing lists use mailman 3:

https://www.python.org/community/lists/ 



What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more useable than 
pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum.


If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The mailman 
focs doesn't make it look that hard (is it skipping over OSM server 
specific steps that make the process harder?)


https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html 



Thanks,
IpswichMapper
--



14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by t...@compton.nu:

It's not going to happen.

Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora
and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster.

Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated to
deploy than what we have.

Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a
totally different product.

There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3.

Tom

On 14/12/2020 18:42, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:

Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman
administration experience, or that much coding experience for
that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+
years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually useable.

-- 




14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by j...@liotier.org:

 From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at
https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman
,
Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman
administration experience, maybe you could make it happen.


On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:


I was wondering if all the lists on
https://lists.openstreetmap.org

could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest
archiver).

Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is
*unusable*.
Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.

 From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active*
than
the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more
accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might
use the
mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I
understand why others would think so).

Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on
maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.*

I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to
mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists
so, so
much more useable.




-- 
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http://compton.nu/





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[ipswichmapper--- via talk]

Python's mailing lists use mailman 3:

https://www.python.org/community/lists/

What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more useable than pipermail 
and hyperkitty feels like a forum.

If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The mailman focs 
doesn't make it look that hard (is it skipping over OSM server specific steps 
that make the process harder?)

https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html

Thanks,
IpswichMapper-- 
 


14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by t...@compton.nu:

> It's not going to happen.
>
> Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora
> and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster.
>
> Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated to deploy 
> than what we have.
> Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a
> totally different product.
>
> There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3.
>
> Tom
>
> On 14/12/2020 18:42, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:
>
>> Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman administration 
>> experience, or that much coding experience for that matter. I was just 
>> suprised that we are stuck with 10+ years old cluttered pipermail when 
>> hyperkitty is actually useable.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>>
>> 14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by j...@liotier.org:
>>
>>  From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at
>>  https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman
>>  ,
>>  Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman
>>  administration experience, maybe you could make it happen.
>>
>>
>>  On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I was wondering if all the lists on
>>>  https://lists.openstreetmap.org 
>>>  could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest archiver).
>>>
>>>  Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is *unusable*.
>>>  Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.
>>>
>>>  From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active* than
>>>  the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more
>>>  accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might use the
>>>  mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I
>>>  understand why others would think so).
>>>
>>>  Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on
>>>  maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.*
>>>
>>>  I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to
>>>  mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists so, so
>>>  much more useable.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
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> http://compton.nu/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

[Tom Hughes via talk]

It's not going to happen.

Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora
and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster.

Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated
to deploy than what we have.

Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a
totally different product.

There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3.

Tom

On 14/12/2020 18:42, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:
Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman 
administration experience, or that much coding experience for that 
matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+ years old 
cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually useable.


--



14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by j...@liotier.org:

 From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at
https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman
,
Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman
administration experience, maybe you could make it happen.


On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:


I was wondering if all the lists on
https://lists.openstreetmap.org 
could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest archiver).

Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is *unusable*.
Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.

From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active* than
the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more
accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might use the
mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I
understand why others would think so).

Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on
maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.*

I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to
mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists so, so
much more useable.






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[ipswichmapper--- via talk]

Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman administration 
experience, or that much coding experience for that matter. I was just suprised 
that we are stuck with 10+ years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is 
actually useable.
-- 
 


14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by j...@liotier.org:

>
> From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at > 
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman> ,  
> Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman  
> administration experience, maybe you could make it happen.
>
>
>
>
> On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper---  via talk wrote:
>
>>
>> I was wondering if all the lists on >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org>>  
>> could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newestarchiver).
>>
>> Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is >> unusable>> .   
>>  Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.
>>
>> From my experience, the mailing lists are >> far more active>>  than the 
>> forum, so it would be good to have it searchable &more accessible 
>> (the only downside to this is newer users mightuse the mailing list 
>> now. I don't think this is a downside, butI understand why others 
>> would think so).
>>
>> Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while >> mailman2 is on  
>> maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.
>>
>> I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded tomailman3 
>> with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists so,so much more 
>> useable.
>>

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[Jean-Marc Liotier]

From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman, Tom 
Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman administration 
experience, maybe you could make it happen.



On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:


I was wondering if all the lists on https://lists.openstreetmap.org 
could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest archiver).


Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is *unusable*. 
Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.


From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active* than the 
forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more accessible 
(the only downside to this is newer users might use the mailing list 
now. I don't think this is a downside, but I understand why others 
would think so).


Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on maintainance 
mode and won't recieve feature updates.*


I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to mailman3 
with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists so, so much more 
useable.
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[OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

[ipswichmapper--- via talk]

Hello,

I was wondering if all the lists on https://lists.openstreetmap.org could be 
switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest archiver).

Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is unusable. Comparatevely, 
hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.

>From my experience, the mailing lists are far more active than the forum, so 
>it would be good to have it searchable & more accessible (the only downside to 
>this is newer users might use the mailing list now. I don't think this is a 
>downside, but I understand why others would think so).

Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while mailman2 is on maintainance mode and 
won't recieve feature updates.

I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to mailman3 with 
hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists so, so much more useable.

Thanks,
IpswichMapper
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