Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?
Hi, On 07/25/2012 10:17 PM, Simon Poole wrote: Am 25.07.2012 21:50, schrieb Jan Kučera: Ok so are imports allowed again? Imports are by their intrinsic nature never urgent (it is not as if the 3rd party data is going to vanish if you don't import it today). Also, I cannot remember Jan having discussed his proposed import on the import mailing list even though he has been told that he'd be violating the guidelines if he imports without doing that. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?
Am 26.07.2012 06:28, schrieb Robin Paulson: > On 26 July 2012 08:17, Simon Poole wrote: >> Imports are by their intrinsic nature never urgent (it is not as if the >> 3rd party data is going to vanish if you don't import it today). I would >> strongly suggest doing something more useful, like helping with >> remapping Australia or Poland, than wasting time on something that can >> easily wait. > i don't think it's wasting time. if it improves the map, it's useful. I believe we may have significant different definitions of "improves" and "useful". > > also, this is a (mostly unspoken) principle which free/open projects work > upon: > "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" > (Louis Blanc, 1839) Unluckily you can import immense masses of junk (see "improve" and "useful" above) completely independently of personal ability. Simon (who has absolutely no problem with beginners and less skilled contributors -mapping-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?
> From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already? > > Jan Kučera wrote: > > Ok so are imports allowed again? > > > > Back in April I made this request: > http://www.mail-archive.com/talk@openstreetmap.org/msg42372.html > > and I'd suggest that it would help mappers if imports stayed off for a > while too. In some areas there's a fair bit of tidying up still to be > done, and it isn't always obvious whether an import would partially > duplicate something that got partially redacted. I would also favour continuing the block on imports and mechanical edits until about one week after a new planet is released. This would help downstream consumers of diffs by avoiding unnecessarily large diffs at a time when everyone will be reimporting. After all, imports that are currently taking place are not urgent. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?
I would be curious to have an estimate as to when imports might be allowed again. There is a university I'm working with that would like to import data that they collected. So yes technically it is an import, but then their intent would be to now update the data directly in OSM rather than the way they have previously been doing it. This isn't technically "urgent" but there is updating they'd like to do soon. Thanks, -Kate On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > > Am 25.07.2012 21:50, schrieb Jan Kučera: >> Ok so are imports allowed again? >> >> > > Imports are by their intrinsic nature never urgent (it is not as if the > 3rd party data is going to vanish if you don't import it today). I would > strongly suggest doing something more useful, like helping with > remapping Australia or Poland, than wasting time on something that can > easily wait. > > Simon > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?
On 26 July 2012 08:17, Simon Poole wrote: > Imports are by their intrinsic nature never urgent (it is not as if the > 3rd party data is going to vanish if you don't import it today). I would > strongly suggest doing something more useful, like helping with > remapping Australia or Poland, than wasting time on something that can > easily wait. i don't think it's wasting time. if it improves the map, it's useful. the question the person asked is whether or not it is a good idea to do them yet, from a technical perspective vis-a-vis the redaction process. also, this is a (mostly unspoken) principle which free/open projects work upon: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" (Louis Blanc, 1839) so, if OP finds it useful and there are no technical reasons why not to, i say go for it if that's what you want. -- robin http://fu.ac.nz - Auckland's Free University ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?
Am 25.07.2012 21:50, schrieb Jan Kučera: > Ok so are imports allowed again? > > Imports are by their intrinsic nature never urgent (it is not as if the 3rd party data is going to vanish if you don't import it today). I would strongly suggest doing something more useful, like helping with remapping Australia or Poland, than wasting time on something that can easily wait. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?
Jan Kučera wrote: Ok so are imports allowed again? Back in April I made this request: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk@openstreetmap.org/msg42372.html and I'd suggest that it would help mappers if imports stayed off for a while too. In some areas there's a fair bit of tidying up still to be done, and it isn't always obvious whether an import would partially duplicate something that got partially redacted. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?
Ok so are imports allowed again? 2012/7/25 Richard Weait : > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jan Kučera wrote: >> Can not see anything left here: >> http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php >> >> Will "officials" confirm this? > > Mostly. > > As announced moments ago on rebuild@ by Andy Allan: > > "Hi All, > > Another step along the way: The redaction bot has completed. All > 101,859,280 entities needing examined have now been processed, with > the final pass completing at 18:16 UTC > > I know that there is other work that needs doing before the license > changeover itself happens, but the redaction bot has done its job now. > > Cheers, > Andy" > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jan Kučera wrote: > Can not see anything left here: > http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php > > Will "officials" confirm this? Mostly. As announced moments ago on rebuild@ by Andy Allan: "Hi All, Another step along the way: The redaction bot has completed. All 101,859,280 entities needing examined have now been processed, with the final pass completing at 18:16 UTC I know that there is other work that needs doing before the license changeover itself happens, but the redaction bot has done its job now. Cheers, Andy" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?
Can not see anything left here: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php Will "officials" confirm this? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
