Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[James]

In those cases I just forward it to the DWG which can delete/ban the user
for repeated spam.

On Feb 24, 2017 6:28 AM, "Oleksiy Muzalyev" 
wrote:

> Here is a new spam entry, from February 23, 2017:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/velpatasvir/diary
>
> It is an entry in Russian language but written via Google translator. It
> advertising some medicament produced in India.
>
> I do not see how I can remove or report it.
>
> Best regards,
> Oleksiy
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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

Here is a new spam entry, from February 23, 2017:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/velpatasvir/diary

It is an entry in Russian language but written via Google translator. It 
advertising some medicament produced in India.


I do not see how I can remove or report it.

Best regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 23.02.2017 10:48, Jochen Topf napisał(a):

Every larger system that allows user contributions has a "report this 
as

spam" button. If a few people click on that, an admin reviews and
handles this. Sounds like an obvious solution that could also work for
OSM. Not being able to report problems is frustrating to users. The


Actually we have it in OSM forum and I'm one of the (new) admins who 
take care of spam reports by users. =}


It seems pretty fast and effective system to me, so I guess it could be 
also this way on OSM diary. I don't know where the biggest problem is - 
maybe it's this nagging bar on the forum which motivates me to clean 
things up every time it shows? Wiki page is not that visible probably, 
but there might be some other things which can help making spam removing 
more streamlined.


I hope that moderation queue solution will be finished and merged 
eventually, however I'm not a programmer and I can't offer my help with 
this code.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Tom Hughes]

On 23/02/17 10:43, Maarten Deen wrote:

On 2017-02-23 11:23, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 23/02/17 09:48, Jochen Topf wrote:


Every larger system that allows user contributions has a "report this as
spam" button. If a few people click on that, an admin reviews and
handles this. Sounds like an obvious solution that could also work for
OSM. Not being able to report problems is frustrating to users. The
whole question of who decides what is spam and what isn't is a bit
besides the point here, isn't it? Obviously somebody is already handling
this as you mention and it works. But what would help is a nice button.


Yes, yet strangely nobody seems to want to finish off the work to
implement it.

Note that the button is the easy bit really, there is much more work
behind that to implement some sort of moderation queue where the
information can be stored and presented to moderators.


Put them as nodes in the OSM database ;)

More seriously: Trac?


Dear god, no.

Look most of the code is already written, somebody just needs to finish 
it off!


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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Maarten Deen]

On 2017-02-23 11:23, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 23/02/17 09:48, Jochen Topf wrote:

Every larger system that allows user contributions has a "report this 
as

spam" button. If a few people click on that, an admin reviews and
handles this. Sounds like an obvious solution that could also work for
OSM. Not being able to report problems is frustrating to users. The
whole question of who decides what is spam and what isn't is a bit
besides the point here, isn't it? Obviously somebody is already 
handling
this as you mention and it works. But what would help is a nice 
button.


Yes, yet strangely nobody seems to want to finish off the work to 
implement it.


Note that the button is the easy bit really, there is much more work
behind that to implement some sort of moderation queue where the
information can be stored and presented to moderators.


Put them as nodes in the OSM database ;)

More seriously: Trac?

Maarten

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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Tom Hughes]

On 23/02/17 09:48, Jochen Topf wrote:


Every larger system that allows user contributions has a "report this as
spam" button. If a few people click on that, an admin reviews and
handles this. Sounds like an obvious solution that could also work for
OSM. Not being able to report problems is frustrating to users. The
whole question of who decides what is spam and what isn't is a bit
besides the point here, isn't it? Obviously somebody is already handling
this as you mention and it works. But what would help is a nice button.


Yes, yet strangely nobody seems to want to finish off the work to 
implement it.


Note that the button is the easy bit really, there is much more work 
behind that to implement some sort of moderation queue where the 
information can be stored and presented to moderators.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Yves]

Spam account removing is one thing,  Planet curating another : diary entries 
that belongs to a deleted spam account stays on blogs.openstreetmap.org,  which 
may give the impression that spam accounts are not dealt with fast enough. 
Agree that a report button would help frustrated users,  be there someone 
behind the button or not :) 
Out of curiosity,  how many people take care of these spam accounts? 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Jochen Topf]

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 10:16:13AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> On 02/23/2017 09:56 AM, joost schouppe wrote:
> > feed or inbox, but spam that you actually have to search for is maybe
> > not a top priority that admins should dedicate time to removing?
> > 
> > Well the annoyance with spam does pop up often enough. The usual answer
> > to things like this in the OSM ecosystem is "why don't you do it
> > yourself". I've not seen this answer for spam. Is there no easy way for
> > people to become spam-police if they like to do so?
> 
> Becoming "spam-police" would require the privilege to close any account
> and hide/delete the account profile. This is not a privilege that I
> would like to hand out lightly to someone who likes being police,
> especially since over-eager "spam-police" have mis-identified genuine
> user profiles in foreign languages as spam in the past.

Every larger system that allows user contributions has a "report this as
spam" button. If a few people click on that, an admin reviews and
handles this. Sounds like an obvious solution that could also work for
OSM. Not being able to report problems is frustrating to users. The
whole question of who decides what is spam and what isn't is a bit
besides the point here, isn't it? Obviously somebody is already handling
this as you mention and it works. But what would help is a nice button.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Richard Fairhurst]

Joost Schouppe wrote: 
> Well the annoyance with spam does pop up often enough. The usual 
> answer to things like this in the OSM ecosystem is "why don't you 
> do it yourself". I've not seen this answer for spam. Is there no easy 
> way for people to become spam-police if they like to do so?

The "do it yourself" in this case is "finish the work on a reporting queue"
which Ruben alluded to upthread:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/841
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/1268

It really is a case of "finishing" - plenty of work has already been done
but it hasn't got to a state yet where it can be integrated into the site.
For someone with Rails-fu it shouldn't be too hard.

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 02/23/2017 09:56 AM, joost schouppe wrote:
> feed or inbox, but spam that you actually have to search for is maybe
> not a top priority that admins should dedicate time to removing?
> 
> Well the annoyance with spam does pop up often enough. The usual answer
> to things like this in the OSM ecosystem is "why don't you do it
> yourself". I've not seen this answer for spam. Is there no easy way for
> people to become spam-police if they like to do so?

Becoming "spam-police" would require the privilege to close any account
and hide/delete the account profile. This is not a privilege that I
would like to hand out lightly to someone who likes being police,
especially since over-eager "spam-police" have mis-identified genuine
user profiles in foreign languages as spam in the past.

For me, the nuisance presented by the occasional spammy user profile is
not big enough to warrant handing over account deletion privileges to
spam hunters, but I am happy to change my mind if someone can explain
just how a spammy user profile is a problem for them. As I said, I get
that spam diary entries or spam notes can be a problem because they
actually pop up somewhere, but user profiles...?

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Andy Townsend]

On 23/02/2017 08:56, joost schouppe wrote:


Well the annoyance with spam does pop up often enough. The usual 
answer to things like this in the OSM ecosystem is "why don't you do 
it yourself". I've not seen this answer for spam. Is there no easy way 
for people to become spam-police if they like to do so?


I normally mention it in #osm-dev on IRC, but to be honest most spam 
gets deleted pretty quickly anyway.


Best Regards,

Andy

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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[joost schouppe]

>
> feed or inbox, but spam that you actually have to search for is maybe
> not a top priority that admins should dedicate time to removing?
>

Well the annoyance with spam does pop up often enough. The usual answer to
things like this in the OSM ecosystem is "why don't you do it yourself".
I've not seen this answer for spam. Is there no easy way for people to
become spam-police if they like to do so?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 02/23/2017 03:28 AM, Daniel Koć wrote:
> Sorry for resurrecting this old thread, but it looks to me that no such 
> spam is actually removed - not even after it's been reported on wiki.

I read the user blog RSS feed and 95% of spam that I get in the RSS feed
is removed by the time I look at it. Is there really an issue that needs
solving?

The wiki page advises people to actively search for spam accounts using
Google. I can see that spam is a nuisance when it pops up in your RSS
feed or inbox, but spam that you actually have to search for is maybe
not a top priority that admins should dedicate time to removing?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Warin]

On 23-Feb-17 01:28 PM, Daniel Koć wrote:

W dniu 13.08.2016 16:10, Ruben Maes napisał(a):

On vrijdag 12 augustus 2016 15:47 Daniel Koć wrote:

What should I do with clear spam acconts/comments like this?:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/thepackersmoversdelhicom
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/39069#comment35334 



Is there a simple "flag/report" tool available?


You can add them on this wiki page: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spam


There's an open issue for a report button on the site itself:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/841


Sorry for resurrecting this old thread, but it looks to me that no 
such spam is actually removed - not even after it's been reported on 
wiki.


Who in OSM has the tools to take such actions?


A 'who' is an individual, who can be away, busy .. etc.

Instead this should be a group of individuals, any of which can act.

This lessens the chance that they will all be occupied and unable to 
deal with spam.


It can be one address thus making contact easy with that group.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 13.08.2016 16:10, Ruben Maes napisał(a):

On vrijdag 12 augustus 2016 15:47 Daniel Koć wrote:

What should I do with clear spam acconts/comments like this?:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/thepackersmoversdelhicom
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/39069#comment35334

Is there a simple "flag/report" tool available?


You can add them on this wiki page: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spam


There's an open issue for a report button on the site itself:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/841


Sorry for resurrecting this old thread, but it looks to me that no such 
spam is actually removed - not even after it's been reported on wiki.


Who in OSM has the tools to take such actions?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Ruben Maes]

On vrijdag 12 augustus 2016 15:47 Daniel Koć wrote:
> What should I do with clear spam acconts/comments like this?:
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/thepackersmoversdelhicom
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/39069#comment35334
> 
> Is there a simple "flag/report" tool available?

You can add them on this wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spam

There's an open issue for a report button on the site itself: 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/841

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[OSM-talk] Spam reporting

[Daniel Koć]

What should I do with clear spam acconts/comments like this?:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/thepackersmoversdelhicom
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/39069#comment35334

Is there a simple "flag/report" tool available?

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