Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging/rendering relations

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 03.12.2017 o 19:31, Yves pisze:

Because the discussion can be heated by the fear of seeing something 
'disappear' from the map overnight.


Well, the fear might be there, but the discussion was already here, it 
was not too heated, and that was just my conclusions after the 
discussion. I also wrote the clear TL;DR summary that rendering should 
for now show everything - and then the criticism hit the list, when 
there was not declared to "disappear" anything, let alone over night.


So it has to be something different, I guess, and I still don't know 
what is it?


I don't have a particular idea concerning the orthogonals tags 
mentioned here. But it seems to me they could be discussed better as 
tags in a more general way, then the maintainers of osm-carto could 
propose with their own rendering choice.


That went just like you said: I came with the tagging problem triggered 
by designing rendering, we talked about the tagging problems, and I 
proposed my choice - one for tagging, the second one for rendering.


However it's not that easy nor productive to make everything separate. 
It was parallel discussion in the osm-carto ticket and the arguments 
were not heard on the list. Making more threads doesn't help to 
understand the problem and it's better to avoid it.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging/rendering relations

[Yves]

Le 3 décembre 2017 19:07:24 GMT+01:00, "Daniel Koć"  a 
écrit :

W dniu 03.12.2017 o 18:43, Yves pisze:

I do agree with Christoph here, tag depreciation should be discussed 
outside of the scope of osm-carto.


It would be interesting for me to hear the exact reasons why do you 
think that?

Because the discussion can be heated by the fear of seeing something 
'disappear' from the map overnight.
I don't have a particular idea concerning the orthogonals tags mentioned here. 
But it seems to me they could be discussed better as tags in a more general 
way, then the maintainers of osm-carto could propose with their own rendering 
choice.
Yves 
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[OSM-talk] Tagging/rendering relations

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 03.12.2017 o 18:43, Yves pisze:
I do agree with Christoph here, tag depreciation should be discussed 
outside of the scope of osm-carto.


It would be interesting for me to hear the exact reasons why do you 
think that?


I would also like to know how do you think should we talk about the 
relations between tagging and rendering in an acceptable way?


Daniel, this all thread looks like you want to promote a tagging 
scheme for the primary reason you can't make it look nice on the 
slippy map. That's really not helping tagging discussions!


Rendering is my primary motivation to look at these tags and I see 
nothing wrong with being open about it. This is one of many rendering 
styles and one of many uses of OSM data, and data consuming is also 
important thing to consider. Not the most important, but still something 
to think about.


When designing tags we think about different problems - if it's easy for 
a mapper to tag, if the system is coherent, if the names are clear, so 
thinking about classification is equally valid for me - and it's good to 
know why the classification might be needed at all. I don't talk about 
data analysis, because I don't do that, but I suspect classification 
would help that too.


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