Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:00 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 20:52 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: This is the matrix showing how the tolls are calculated: http://www.westlinkm7.com.au/cmsAdmin/uploads/Tollmatrix_Janto_Mar2011.pdf What do you think about something like: cost:car_2axle = $X cost:car_3axle = $X cost:motorbike = $X cost:truck_2axle = $X . . . cost:truck_Naxle = $X So, what value do you put into there? The price per km/mile, the maximum price, the minimum price? As pointed out in the pdf above, in our case depending on what roads you use to enter/leave the tollway and depending on how close you are to the city, the toll varies per kilometre travelled. David If the toll price is different in every country, we couldn't use a tag scheme that works everywhere. That schema works in Argentina I think, and may be in other countries. I posted it to hear opinions about it. Regards, Diego -- Diego Woitasen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls
Elizabeth Dodd wrote: and a date for the costings because they always are going up then which electronic tags can be used instead (for example E-tag) This information is not best stored in the OSM database. A link to the current information or not at all. cost:see(link) ? UK charges tend to be fairly well defined to use cost:vehicle-xxx and I have to remember to have my 5p ready when I go over the bridge near Oxford, but here they only collect for part of the day and I have yet to work out when I can get through free ;) Flagging ON OSM that there is a charge is at least a start, even if you need a ten page document then to work out how much ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:21 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 12:34 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: Hi, Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign the cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. Are you using something for this? I know this is a little complex because the cost of the toll is different and depends in the size of the vehicle, the time of the day, etc. but may be we could do something. Here in Australia, we have many toll-roads where another part to the equation (time, size, etc) is how far you travel along the road. If you join the road at toll-point A and continue to toll-point B, its a different toll than A to C, or B to C. There are a couple of short roads which have a fixed value toll, but most toll-roads vary the toll depending on how far you travel. This is the matrix showing how the tolls are calculated: http://www.westlinkm7.com.au/cmsAdmin/uploads/Tollmatrix_Janto_Mar2011.pdf David What do you think about something like: cost:car_2axle = $X cost:car_3axle = $X cost:motorbike = $X cost:truck_2axle = $X . . . cost:truck_Naxle = $X And we can use something like $X/$Y is the price is different in the rush hours. Regards, Diego -- Diego Woitasen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls
On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 20:52 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: This is the matrix showing how the tolls are calculated: http://www.westlinkm7.com.au/cmsAdmin/uploads/Tollmatrix_Janto_Mar2011.pdf What do you think about something like: cost:car_2axle = $X cost:car_3axle = $X cost:motorbike = $X cost:truck_2axle = $X . . . cost:truck_Naxle = $X So, what value do you put into there? The price per km/mile, the maximum price, the minimum price? As pointed out in the pdf above, in our case depending on what roads you use to enter/leave the tollway and depending on how close you are to the city, the toll varies per kilometre travelled. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:00:13 +1100 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 20:52 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: This is the matrix showing how the tolls are calculated: http://www.westlinkm7.com.au/cmsAdmin/uploads/Tollmatrix_Janto_Mar2011.pdf What do you think about something like: cost:car_2axle = $X cost:car_3axle = $X cost:motorbike = $X cost:truck_2axle = $X . . . cost:truck_Naxle = $X So, what value do you put into there? The price per km/mile, the maximum price, the minimum price? As pointed out in the pdf above, in our case depending on what roads you use to enter/leave the tollway and depending on how close you are to the city, the toll varies per kilometre travelled. David and a date for the costings because they always are going up then which electronic tags can be used instead (for example E-tag) This information is not best stored in the OSM database. A link to the current information or not at all. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls
Diego Woitasen wrote: Hi, Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign the cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. Are you using something for this? I know this is a little complex because the cost of the toll is different and depends in the size of the vehicle, the time of the day, etc. but may be we could do something. Before electronic toll collection, there were two major types of toll collection - barrier and ticket. On a barrier toll road, you would pay a set amount at each mainline or ramp toll plaza, meaning one could put the default 2-axle amount on the barrier=toll_booth node. On a ticket toll road you'd get a ticket when you enter that lists tolls to each exit; when you exit you would hand in the ticket and pay that amount. This can't really be mapped. (A slight variation would have a standard barrier, but if you enter midway between the beginning and the barrier you'd get a ticket that entitles you to pay less at the barrier.) These two systems are still in use on toll roads that accept cash, and the former can be mapped as such. Electronic-only toll roads may mimic a barrier system, but will more likely make it more fair by charging based on distance (and thus working like a ticket toll road). -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Cost-of-tolls-tp6161832p6165536.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls
Boat launch sites locally have the same issue. Cheerio John On 11 March 2011 10:34, Diego Woitasen di...@woitasen.com.ar wrote: Hi, Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign the cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. Are you using something for this? I know this is a little complex because the cost of the toll is different and depends in the size of the vehicle, the time of the day, etc. but may be we could do something. Regards, Diego -- Diego Woitasen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls
2011/3/11 Diego Woitasen di...@woitasen.com.ar: Hi, Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign the cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. Are you using something for this? I know this is a little complex because the cost of the toll is different and depends in the size of the vehicle, the time of the day, etc. but may be we could do something. AFAIK there is no current suggestion how to deal with this. You could link to the homepage of the operator / his pricelist as a workaround (also has the benefit that it will be up-to-date, but has the drawback that the link might die when they redesign their site). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Diego Woitasen di...@woitasen.com.ar wrote: Hi, Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign the cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. Are you using something for this? I know this is a little complex because the cost of the toll is different and depends in the size of the vehicle, the time of the day, etc. but may be we could do something. Back in 2007 there was a little bit of discussion on it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Price_tags ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 12:34 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: Hi, Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign the cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. Are you using something for this? I know this is a little complex because the cost of the toll is different and depends in the size of the vehicle, the time of the day, etc. but may be we could do something. Here in Australia, we have many toll-roads where another part to the equation (time, size, etc) is how far you travel along the road. If you join the road at toll-point A and continue to toll-point B, its a different toll than A to C, or B to C. There are a couple of short roads which have a fixed value toll, but most toll-roads vary the toll depending on how far you travel. This is the matrix showing how the tolls are calculated: http://www.westlinkm7.com.au/cmsAdmin/uploads/Tollmatrix_Janto_Mar2011.pdf David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
