Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
Thank you Mark, Please also post to OSM-talk so that its subscribers know when the set is complete. Jean-Guilhem Mark Prutsalis a écrit : The feeds are available now and I'm sure they know of them... We had a little technical glitch and need to refresh our location data for greater accuracy beyond two degree decimals (got dropped on the first import - we have all the data to much higher accuracy). Once that is complete, I will ask someone to contact OSM direct to ensure that our dataset if posted there. Mark Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote: Mark, Have you made sure that all the data that was in your hospital list spreadsheet is now in OSM ? Thanks, Jean-Guilhem ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
I have attached tags for the majority of pcode level 2 already to towns and villages, using the pcode:2 tags as suggested on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Emergency_Response_.26_Relief_Support_Infrastructure I believe that the pcode2 should probably refer to an administrative district rather than a place, but it would have been more time consuming in the first instance to break up the current admin boundaries and create relations to make smaller boundaries at the pcode:2 level. Its probably a task for later. David - Original Message - From: Adrian Brain To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes See below for the details about P-codes for Haiti. First, I've just downloaded the xls file (22nd Jan at 12:57hrs (UK)). If anyone thinks this is out of date please let me know asap. Second, I understand the pcode1 and pcode2 columns but not pcode3. Can anyone explain the pcode3 column? Third, if no-one can think of a reason for me not to, I intend to start putting in these codes at 14:00hrs (UK), using un:pcode:2=* and doing pcode2 first as these are the most obviously do-able. Adrian Brain (osmapb1) Mikel Maron mikel_maron at yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 12:03:47 GMT 2010 a.. Previous message: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Search interface on the Person Finder data b.. Next message: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] P-Codes are an established way for responding agencies to uniquelyidentify locations. A set of P-codes have been set for Haiti, and arelisted in the attached spreadsheet. If we can associate these P-codeswith existing nodes in OSM via a tag, would be a great help forcoordinators. Download: http://brainoff.com/osm/Haiti_pcodes consolidated.xlsAbout p-codes:http://www.humanitarianinfo.org/IMToolbox/08_Data_Standards/PCodes/Explanations_Presentations/P-Codes_web_text.htm== Mikel Maron ==http://mapkibera.org/+254 (0) 724899738mikel at osmfoundation.org- Forwarded Message From: Nigel Snoad nsnoad at gmail.comTo: crisismappers at googlegroups.comSent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:44:51 AMSubject: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes P-codes for Haiti from the UN. They're in the process of being updated to include additional post-earthquake elementsNigel-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CrisisMappers group.To post to this group, send email to crisismappers at googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to crisismappers+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers?hl=en.-- next part --An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20100121/13a63b27/attachment.htm a.. Previous message: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Search interface on the Person Finder data b.. Next message: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the talk mailing list -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
Hi, David Groom wrote: I have attached tags for the majority of pcode level 2 already to towns and villages, using the pcode:2 tags as suggested on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Emergency_Response_.26_Relief_Support_Infrastructure I believe that the pcode2 should probably refer to an administrative district rather than a place, but it would have been more time consuming in the first instance to break up the current admin boundaries and create relations to make smaller boundaries at the pcode:2 level. Its probably a task for later. Should I include the p-code tag(s) in the place layer in the shapefiles on labs.geofabrik.de/haiti? Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
Good stuff. It would be useful if you could update http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/MappingCoordination to show this task has already been done. Cheers, Adrian Brain. I have attached tags for the majority of pcode level 2 already to towns and villages, using the pcode:2 tags as suggested on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Emergency_Response_.26_Relief_Support_Infrastructure I believe that the pcode2 should probably refer to an administrative district rather than a place, but it would have been more time consuming in the first instance to break up the current admin boundaries and create relations to make smaller boundaries at the pcode:2 level. Its probably a task for later. David - Original Message - From: Adrian Brain To: talk at openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes See below for the details about P-codes for Haiti. First, I've just downloaded the xls file (22nd Jan at 12:57hrs (UK)). If anyone thinks this is out of date please let me know asap. Second, I understand the pcode1 and pcode2 columns but not pcode3. Can anyone explain the pcode3 column? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
I believe that the pcode2 should probably refer to an administrative district rather than a place, but it would have been more time consuming in the first instance to break up the current admin boundaries and create relations to make smaller boundaries at the pcode:2 level. Its probably a task for later. Are there areas where the existing boundary relations don't match the pcode:2 areas? I've added the pcode:2 value to each of the relations in the area where the pcode:2 starts with 8 (Grande-Anse Department). Once I'd done that I created a new boundary relation around the outside and added pcode:1=8 to it. The original boundary ways had an id_commune tag which seemed to be the same number in the area I was looking, though did note that some of the old 85x id_commune codes have 10xx pcode:2s. The boundary for the Grand-Anse department is now rendering at http://haiti.openstreetmap.nl and I was thinking of starting on another. Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
- Original Message - From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net Cc: Adrian Brain adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.uk; talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes Hi, David Groom wrote: I have attached tags for the majority of pcode level 2 already to towns and villages, using the pcode:2 tags as suggested on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Emergency_Response_.26_Relief_Support_Infrastructure I believe that the pcode2 should probably refer to an administrative district rather than a place, but it would have been more time consuming in the first instance to break up the current admin boundaries and create relations to make smaller boundaries at the pcode:2 level. Its probably a task for later. Should I include the p-code tag(s) in the place layer in the shapefiles on labs.geofabrik.de/haiti? This afternnon a lot of work has now gone in to creating better level 8 aadmin boundaries and adding P-Coide data to the admin boundaries relations. Not all are complete yet, but a large number are. Is it possible for you to produce an admin boundaries layer and add it to the shapefile zip? David Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
I added a quality code to: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aoyf-OlHreuhdDBkSWJ2d1FtMkpkTzZrV1B4dDlKREEhl=en 1=precise; 2=nearby; 3=approx village centroid Is there a way to implement that in OSM? (so that people will know whether they're getting approximate location?) Margie On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:23 AM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net Cc: Adrian Brain adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.uk; talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes Hi, David Groom wrote: I have attached tags for the majority of pcode level 2 already to towns and villages, using the pcode:2 tags as suggested on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Emergency_Response_.26_Relief_Support_Infrastructure I believe that the pcode2 should probably refer to an administrative district rather than a place, but it would have been more time consuming in the first instance to break up the current admin boundaries and create relations to make smaller boundaries at the pcode:2 level. Its probably a task for later. Should I include the p-code tag(s) in the place layer in the shapefiles on labs.geofabrik.de/haiti? This afternnon a lot of work has now gone in to creating better level 8 aadmin boundaries and adding P-Coide data to the admin boundaries relations. Not all are complete yet, but a large number are. Is it possible for you to produce an admin boundaries layer and add it to the shapefile zip? David Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Margie http://www.BaltimoreUrbanAg.org http://www.FarmersMarketVideo.org http://www.FriendlyCoffeehouse.org http://www.packtpub.com/drupal-5-views-recipes/book ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
somebody replaced my header with: NO NEW COLUMNS PLEASE: We have no use for this data I can't imagine that that's the case. I'm disappointed to have data removed. I understand if quality code data can't be used, possibly, in OSM. But somewhere, there should be a record of whether something is located to within a precise address, to a village centroid, or within a km of a town. Darn, really disappointed I'm not even sure to whom I should direct this issue? Who was the person who took out the header, complete with descriptions of (what I think are really reasonable) codes 1-4? Anyhow, I'm feeling deflated. I thought I was providing a really valuable service, and now, given that I don't know the location of the hospitals, and have generally been finding village and town centroids, it feels like really bad data, especially minus a quality code. My original description for the new column said: Quality code 1=precise geocode 2=nearby 3=village, within 0.3 km 4=town, within 1km Margie, working on http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aoyf-OlHreuhdDBkSWJ2d1FtMkpkTzZrV1B4dDlKREEhl=en On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Margie Roswell mrosw...@gmail.com wrote: I added a quality code to: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aoyf-OlHreuhdDBkSWJ2d1FtMkpkTzZrV1B4dDlKREEhl=en 1=precise; 2=nearby; 3=approx village centroid Is there a way to implement that in OSM? (so that people will know whether they're getting approximate location?) Margie On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:23 AM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net Cc: Adrian Brain adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.uk; talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes Hi, David Groom wrote: I have attached tags for the majority of pcode level 2 already to towns and villages, using the pcode:2 tags as suggested on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Emergency_Response_.26_Relief_Support_Infrastructure I believe that the pcode2 should probably refer to an administrative district rather than a place, but it would have been more time consuming in the first instance to break up the current admin boundaries and create relations to make smaller boundaries at the pcode:2 level. Its probably a task for later. Should I include the p-code tag(s) in the place layer in the shapefiles on labs.geofabrik.de/haiti? This afternnon a lot of work has now gone in to creating better level 8 aadmin boundaries and adding P-Coide data to the admin boundaries relations. Not all are complete yet, but a large number are. Is it possible for you to produce an admin boundaries layer and add it to the shapefile zip? David Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Margie http://www.BaltimoreUrbanAg.org http://www.FarmersMarketVideo.org http://www.FriendlyCoffeehouse.org http://www.packtpub.com/drupal-5-views-recipes/book -- Margie http://www.BaltimoreUrbanAg.org http://www.FarmersMarketVideo.org http://www.FriendlyCoffeehouse.org http://www.packtpub.com/drupal-5-views-recipes/book ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
Hi Mark, thanks for the note. Honestly, I truly believe that it's better to capture the confidence or quality code, whichever you want to call it, when the data is captured. And having the legend left there (descriptions of 1-4) helps people do to that. You call it mission creep, but I think it's just an improved workflow; It makes more sense then trying to determine the quality of the data after-the-fact-of collection. Anyhow, I have placed several town centroids in there, and I know others have, and without a place to record that, it's just oy, really irksome, to this longtime GIS-er. (I got my first copy of MapInfo 19 years ago!) I can't in good conscience continue adding data without also signaling that the point is not accurate. With the satellite photography, you can tell if a town is small, or big,. And with a Google Maps ruler, you can see if your point is likely to be within one km or 0.3 km. Those confidence codes were designed to reflect that. We have to agree to common standards for the data schema and lock out changes - such as a new column. What sort of protocol is in place (if any) for agreeing to modify the common standards, to add a confidence code (or quality code)? What would it involve, technically (schema-wise), and socially? (Is crisismappers the appropriate list for this conversation? If so, happy to remove the talk from future distribution.) Margie On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Mark Prutsalis globali...@gmail.com wrote: I did... This spreadsheet is only for geo-locating the hospitals - then it will be fed back to OSM or anyone else who wants it - who is free to track confidence and other attributes. I agree that confidence is an important measure, but... mission creep The data entered is retained... and we can use it - but it was very incomplete - and other lists are not similarly categorized furthering the data integrity issues. That is the problem with these shared google spreadsheets. If you change their purpose and structure, they can no longer serve their original intended purpose. What we want to do is this: have a live spreadsheet that can be synced with a database - such that updates to the spreadsheet automatically update the database and vice-versa. We have to agree to common standards for the data schema and lock out changes - such as a new column. I will send an update shortly explaining further the proposal going forward. Best regards, Mark Margie Roswell wrote: somebody replaced my header with: NO NEW COLUMNS PLEASE: We have no use for this data I can't imagine that that's the case. I'm disappointed to have data removed. I understand if quality code data can't be used, possibly, in OSM. But somewhere, there should be a record of whether something is located to within a precise address, to a village centroid, or within a km of a town. Darn, really disappointed I'm not even sure to whom I should direct this issue? Who was the person who took out the header, complete with descriptions of (what I think are really reasonable) codes 1-4? Anyhow, I'm feeling deflated. I thought I was providing a really valuable service, and now, given that I don't know the location of the hospitals, and have generally been finding village and town centroids, it feels like really bad data, especially minus a quality code. My original description for the new column said: Quality code 1=precise geocode 2=nearby 3=village, within 0.3 km 4=town, within 1km Margie, working on http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aoyf-OlHreuhdDBkSWJ2d1FtMkpkTzZrV1B4dDlKREEhl=en On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Margie Roswell mrosw...@gmail.com wrote: I added a quality code to: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aoyf-OlHreuhdDBkSWJ2d1FtMkpkTzZrV1B4dDlKREEhl=en 1=precise; 2=nearby; 3=approx village centroid Is there a way to implement that in OSM? (so that people will know whether they're getting approximate location?) Margie On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:23 AM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net Cc: Adrian Brain adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.uk; talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes Hi, David Groom wrote: I have attached tags for the majority of pcode level 2 already to towns and villages, using the pcode:2 tags as suggested on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Emergency_Response_.26_Relief_Support_Infrastructure I believe that the pcode2 should probably refer to an administrative district rather than a place, but it would have been more time consuming in the first instance to break up the current admin boundaries and create relations to make smaller boundaries at the pcode:2 level. Its probably a task for later. Should I include the p-code tag(s) in the place layer
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
Hi, Margie Roswell wrote: We have to agree to common standards for the data schema and lock out changes - such as a new column. [...] (Is crisismappers the appropriate list for this conversation? If so, happy to remove the talk from future distribution.) Well osm-talk surely is *not* the appropriate list for this conversation as it is long-standing OSM policy to allow everything that mappers want to map, so any talk of locking out changes is something that would either not happen on osm-talk or be shot down quickly. Of course the crisismappers list is free to define any protocols and standards they like but they will not restrict what people can, or will, enter into OSM. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
Any suggested tagging structure? maybe to cover the three admin levels: pcode:1 = 1 pcode:2 = 833 pcode:3 = 833-01 Or any other better suggestions? David - Original Message - From: Mikel Maron To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:03 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes P-Codes are an established way for responding agencies to uniquely identify locations. A set of P-codes have been set for Haiti, and are listed in the attached spreadsheet. If we can associate these P-codes with existing nodes in OSM via a tag, would be a great help for coordinators. Download: http://brainoff.com/osm/Haiti_pcodes consolidated.xls About p-codes: http://www.humanitarianinfo.org/IMToolbox/08_Data_Standards/PCodes/Explanations_Presentations/P-Codes_web_text.htm == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org - Forwarded Message From: Nigel Snoad nsn...@gmail.com To: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:44:51 AM Subject: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes P-codes for Haiti from the UN. They're in the process of being updated to include additional post-earthquake elements Nigel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CrisisMappers group. To post to this group, send email to crisismapp...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to crisismappers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers?hl=en. -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Any suggested tagging structure? maybe to cover the three admin levels: pcode:1 = 1 pcode:2 = 833 pcode:3 = 833-01 Or any other better suggestions? These are postal codes? If so I would recommend not abbreviating to pcode and instead use postal-code or something similar. -- Jeff Ollie ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Any suggested tagging structure? maybe to cover the three admin levels: pcode:1 = 1 pcode:2 = 833 pcode:3 = 833-01 Or any other better suggestions? These are postal codes? If so I would recommend not abbreviating to pcode and instead use postal-code or something similar. They aren't postal codes, as explained by the link that Mikel sent in the original email. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
2010/1/21 Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us These are postal codes? If so I would recommend not abbreviating to pcode and instead use postal-code or something similar. there is postal_code http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:postal_code and addr:postcode which is used more often http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Karlsruhe_Schema cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
El Jueves, 21 de Enero de 2010, David Groom escribió: Any suggested tagging structure? maybe to cover the three admin levels: pcode:1 = 1 pcode:2 = 833 pcode:3 = 833-01 Or any other better suggestions? Looks good to me. I'll just add that to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags We can discuss the finer details of the tagging scheme at a later time. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es My dog.-I have given a name to my pain and call it dog: it is just as faithful, just as obtrusive and shameless, just as entertaining, just as clever as any other dog-and I can scold it and vent my bad moods on it, as others do with their dogs, servants, and wives. -- Friedrich Nietzsche [1844 - 1900] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [CrisisMappers] Haiti PCodes
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Any suggested tagging structure? maybe to cover the three admin levels: pcode:1 = 1 pcode:2 = 833 pcode:3 = 833-01 Or any other better suggestions? These are postal codes? If so I would recommend not abbreviating to pcode and instead use postal-code or something similar. They aren't postal codes, as explained by the link that Mikel sent in the original email. Ah, I missed that one. I see that they are Place Codes. Still, it would be good to use an un-abbreviated tag. -- Jeff Ollie ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
