Re: [OSM-talk] How can we make this list better?
Perhaps recognise that OSM is changing and developing in ways it's creators never intended? I'm currently looking at a project that uses data that is not cc-by-ca by any means however it can be imported into an OSM file format and use the OSM tool set to basically create a stand alone DVD that is a searchable map visible on a lap top. It isn't OSM but does use the tool set. Applications such as routers need the roads, footpaths etc. joined together, this a different standard of quality than was expected in the beginning. I think we need to concede that parts of the world with lower population densities need different approaches than just a cyclist making multiple GPS passes and noting the street names down can provide. Cheerio John On 20 October 2010 20:13, Matt Amos wrote: > this list has come in for some criticism recently, and there are many > people who have, publicly or otherwise, decided not to read it or > contribute to it any more. i've set up a wiki page to help us gather > suggestions and ideas for improving this list, or maybe even trying > something new in its place. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Talk_discussion > > this list has been a core part of the OSM community since the > beginning of the project, but things change and it seems to have lost > some of that importance. maybe this is a natural part of a project > becoming the size that OSM is today, and we should embrace the > diversity of our communications channels. alternatively, it could be a > sign that there are things we can do to improve the quality and > atmosphere on this list. if you can think of a way in which to make > this list better, please add your thoughts to the wiki page. > > cheers, > > matt > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How can we make this list better?
Hi, john whelan wrote: Perhaps recognise that OSM is changing and developing in ways it's creators never intended? I'm currently looking at a project that uses data that is not cc-by-ca by any means however it can be imported into an OSM file format and use the OSM tool set to basically create a stand alone DVD that is a searchable map visible on a lap top. It isn't OSM but does use the tool set. That's great but if someone uses OSM software for something that is not OSM, that can hardly be counted as a sign that "OSM is changing", right? Applications such as routers need the roads, footpaths etc. joined together, this a different standard of quality than was expected in the beginning. That's widely acknowledged, especially in places with high population density (and therefore many people who want a working router). I think we need to concede that parts of the world with lower population densities need different approaches than just a cyclist making multiple GPS passes and noting the street names down can provide. Nothing of what you said before leads to this conclusion, and nothing of what you said has to do with Matt's message to which you replied. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How can we make this list better?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:02 AM, john whelan wrote: > Perhaps recognise that OSM is changing and developing in ways it's creators > never intended? i think this and previous threads on this list show that this is being recognised. we're now looking at the next step, which is the question in the title: how can we make it better? > I'm currently looking at a project that uses data that is not cc-by-ca by > any means however it can be imported into an OSM file format and use the OSM > tool set to basically create a stand alone DVD that is a searchable map > visible on a lap top. It isn't OSM but does use the tool set. that's great. it's always nice when people are able to re-use the OSM software. it reminds us we're not just a data project ;-) > Applications such as routers need the roads, footpaths etc. joined together, > this a different standard of quality than was expected in the beginning. I > think we need to concede that parts of the world with lower population > densities need different approaches than just a cyclist making multiple GPS > passes and noting the street names down can provide. no, topological connectivity was fully anticipated. this is why OSM has a topological node/way model rather than the linestring-based model that's more common in GIS systems. i'm sure that different approaches are necessary in different parts of the world where there are different constraints. and i'm sure that germany didn't get so well mapped by cyclists alone. some places will be easier mapped by car or on foot ;-) cheers, matt > Cheerio John > > On 20 October 2010 20:13, Matt Amos wrote: >> >> this list has come in for some criticism recently, and there are many >> people who have, publicly or otherwise, decided not to read it or >> contribute to it any more. i've set up a wiki page to help us gather >> suggestions and ideas for improving this list, or maybe even trying >> something new in its place. >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Talk_discussion >> >> this list has been a core part of the OSM community since the >> beginning of the project, but things change and it seems to have lost >> some of that importance. maybe this is a natural part of a project >> becoming the size that OSM is today, and we should embrace the >> diversity of our communications channels. alternatively, it could be a >> sign that there are things we can do to improve the quality and >> atmosphere on this list. if you can think of a way in which to make >> this list better, please add your thoughts to the wiki page. >> >> cheers, >> >> matt >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
