Re: [OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map

[nebulon42]

Please tell us about which style you are talking or post a link so that 
we can have a look for ourselves. As far as the OSM standard style is 
concerned it does not have an icon for university buildings (yet).


nebulon42

Am 2015-11-03 um 07:28 schrieb Nasir Khan:

Thanks for the response.

The point i want to mention that, we should improve the Icons for
different type for establishments. For example "University Building" it
uses the "Home" icon, but i think it should be different because
building could be administration or hostel. This is an example but there
are other similar cases.


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On 3 November 2015 at 03:14, Andy Townsend > wrote:

On 02/11/2015 16:53, Nasir Khan wrote:

...

One thing i faced every time and asked from many that, is there a
way to improve the icon set to make the map more attractive.


(apologies if I'm stating the obvious here, but...)

"OpenStreetMap" isn't just "the standard map that you see at
openstreetmap.org ".  There are five
different tile layers available from the layer switcher there,
designed for different purposes. Elsewhere, there are other styles.
For example,


https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93=project+extension%3Amml=Code=searchresults

currently finds > 700, and no doubt there are lots of others
elsewhere.  Depending on what data you're showing, I'd expect that a
different map style would make sense.  Just today I was using a
commercial application that showed locations using "MQ Open" tiles
(they wanted a road-atlassy thing I guess); something that wanted to
show location in a mountainous area I'd would expect show contours
or hillshading.  OpenStreetMap's "standard" style has as one of its
goals feedback to mappers, so it includes more detail (for example
of different sorts of shops) than I'd expect most general purpose
maps to want to show.

It's very possible (and not terribly difficult) to come up with a
map style that highlights the data that you want - making it then
look nice is the tricky bit, as to me would be figuring out how to
host and serve the data to allcomers (though as Wikimedia I suspect
you've solved that last bit).

Cheers,

Andy (SomeoneElse)



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Re: [OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 02.11.2015 um 18:52 schrieb Philip Barnes :
> 
> As for your comment, I would say you are wrong, OSM is way ahead of
> google in terms icons and map style. Most places are almost devoid of
> mapped icons on google maps.


because they chose a different approach (dynamic overlays). I'm sure Google is 
much more complete (they're the standard and every business on earth inserts 
itself asap).  :(


cheers 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map

[Michael Reichert]

Hi Nasir,

Am 2015-11-02 um 17:53 schrieb Nasir Khan:
> One thing i faced every time and asked from many that, is there a way to
> improve the icon set to make the map more attractive. I really feel that we
> all should look at this issue and make a plan to improve this user
> experience. If you compare the OSM with the Google map icons, then you can
> say that the Google Map is way more ahead that the OSM.
> 
> I am not sure if it is right forum to discuss this issue. Please help me if
> i posted in the wrong mailing list. 

Well, your choice of the mailing list is ok. ;-)

The map style used for the map at osm.org is called OSM Carto and
developed at Github.

https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto

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Re: [OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map

[Christian Pietzsch]

This can be seen from different perspectives. Someone who wants a more
aesthetic clean map, will like GMaps more. Meanwhile OSM carto is much more
informative with a lot more details.
But you can still have a look at the icons used and try to make an improved
version and suggest it to the style maintainers. (
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/tree/master/symbols)


2015-11-02 18:52 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes :

> On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 22:53 +0600, Nasir Khan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am a big fan of Open Street Map. I used this for may of my web
> > application projects.
> >
> > One thing i faced every time and asked from many that, is there a way
> > to improve the icon set to make the map more attractive. I really
> > feel that we all should look at this issue and make a plan to improve
> > this user experience. If you compare the OSM with the Google map
> > icons, then you can say that the Google Map is way more ahead that
> > the OSM.
> >
> > I am not sure if it is right forum to discuss this issue. Please help
> > me if i posted in the wrong mailing list. Any one can tell me if it
> > is already in the roadmap or not? If it is not, then i think we can
> > start the discussion right away. We can team up with some other
> > platforms like The Noun Project (https://thenounproject.com/) or some
> > one else or do something else.
> >
> This mailing list is the right place to discuss openstreetmap, it would
> be wrong to expect mappers to sign up for an a 3rd pary site to discuss
> openstreetmap.
>
> As for your comment, I would say you are wrong, OSM is way ahead of
> google in terms icons and map style. Most places are almost devoid of
> mapped icons on google maps.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
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Re: [OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map

[Philip Barnes]

On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 22:53 +0600, Nasir Khan wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I am a big fan of Open Street Map. I used this for may of my web
> application projects. 
> 
> One thing i faced every time and asked from many that, is there a way
> to improve the icon set to make the map more attractive. I really
> feel that we all should look at this issue and make a plan to improve
> this user experience. If you compare the OSM with the Google map
> icons, then you can say that the Google Map is way more ahead that
> the OSM. 
> 
> I am not sure if it is right forum to discuss this issue. Please help
> me if i posted in the wrong mailing list. Any one can tell me if it
> is already in the roadmap or not? If it is not, then i think we can
> start the discussion right away. We can team up with some other
> platforms like The Noun Project (https://thenounproject.com/) or some
> one else or do something else. 
> 
This mailing list is the right place to discuss openstreetmap, it would
be wrong to expect mappers to sign up for an a 3rd pary site to discuss
openstreetmap.

As for your comment, I would say you are wrong, OSM is way ahead of
google in terms icons and map style. Most places are almost devoid of
mapped icons on google maps.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map

[nebulon42]

Hi,

the icons of osm-carto have been refreshed since December 2014. I'm not 
sure if you have noticed that a lot of icons of the Standard map style 
have changed (improved in my view) since that time. Me and others have 
already invested tons of hours into re-designing icons, reducing 
complexity and updating the visual style.


However, there is of course always the possibility to improve things 
further. I'm welcoming contributions at https://github.com/gmgeo/osmic, 
which is a repository that holds all icons I have done for the Standard 
map style (some I have also adapted from Maki and other free sources). 
You can also directly contribute to osm-carto at 
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto.


nebulon42

Am 2015-11-02 um 17:53 schrieb Nasir Khan:

Hi,

I am a big fan of Open Street Map. I used this for may of my web
application projects.

One thing i faced every time and asked from many that, is there a way to
improve the icon set to make the map more attractive. I really feel that
we all should look at this issue and make a plan to improve this user
experience. If you compare the OSM with the Google map icons, then you
can say that the Google Map is way more ahead that the OSM.

I am not sure if it is right forum to discuss this issue. Please help me
if i posted in the wrong mailing list. Any one can tell me if it is
already in the roadmap or not? If it is not, then i think we can start
the discussion right away. We can team up with some other platforms like
The Noun Project (https://thenounproject.com/) or some one else or do
something else.

thanks
Nasir Khan

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Re: [OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map

[Lester Caine]

On 02/11/15 18:08, nebulon42 wrote:
> However, there is of course always the possibility to improve things
> further. I'm welcoming contributions at https://github.com/gmgeo/osmic,
> which is a repository that holds all icons I have done for the Standard
> map style (some I have also adapted from Maki and other free sources).
> You can also directly contribute to osm-carto at
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto.

As a dinosaur who actually liked full colour icons on websites, I've my
own version of bootstrap using full colour ones, and I'm now looking to
extend that into the icon map for my own rendering. While the styling
for OSM is quite complicated it can easily be broken down into
manageable elements such as road colours, or icon library, so switching
elements is not particularly difficult once one has a working local
rendering system.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map

[Nasir Khan]

Thanks for the response.

The point i want to mention that, we should improve the Icons for different
type for establishments. For example "University Building" it uses the
"Home" icon, but i think it should be different because building could be
administration or hostel. This is an example but there are other similar
cases.


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www.nasirkhn.com


On 3 November 2015 at 03:14, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 02/11/2015 16:53, Nasir Khan wrote:
>
> ...
>
> One thing i faced every time and asked from many that, is there a way to
> improve the icon set to make the map more attractive.
>
>
> (apologies if I'm stating the obvious here, but...)
>
> "OpenStreetMap" isn't just "the standard map that you see at
> openstreetmap.org".  There are five different tile layers available from
> the layer switcher there, designed for different purposes.  Elsewhere,
> there are other styles.  For example,
>
>
> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93=project+extension%3Amml=Code=searchresults
>
> currently finds > 700, and no doubt there are lots of others elsewhere.
> Depending on what data you're showing, I'd expect that a different map
> style would make sense.  Just today I was using a commercial application
> that showed locations using "MQ Open" tiles (they wanted a road-atlassy
> thing I guess); something that wanted to show location in a mountainous
> area I'd would expect show contours or hillshading.  OpenStreetMap's
> "standard" style has as one of its goals feedback to mappers, so it
> includes more detail (for example of different sorts of shops) than I'd
> expect most general purpose maps to want to show.
>
> It's very possible (and not terribly difficult) to come up with a map
> style that highlights the data that you want - making it then look nice is
> the tricky bit, as to me would be figuring out how to host and serve the
> data to allcomers (though as Wikimedia I suspect you've solved that last
> bit).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy (SomeoneElse)
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map

[Andy Townsend]

On 02/11/2015 16:53, Nasir Khan wrote:

...

One thing i faced every time and asked from many that, is there a way 
to improve the icon set to make the map more attractive.


(apologies if I'm stating the obvious here, but...)

"OpenStreetMap" isn't just "the standard map that you see at 
openstreetmap.org".  There are five different tile layers available from 
the layer switcher there, designed for different purposes. Elsewhere, 
there are other styles.  For example,


https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93=project+extension%3Amml=Code=searchresults

currently finds > 700, and no doubt there are lots of others elsewhere.  
Depending on what data you're showing, I'd expect that a different map 
style would make sense.  Just today I was using a commercial application 
that showed locations using "MQ Open" tiles (they wanted a road-atlassy 
thing I guess); something that wanted to show location in a mountainous 
area I'd would expect show contours or hillshading.  OpenStreetMap's 
"standard" style has as one of its goals feedback to mappers, so it 
includes more detail (for example of different sorts of shops) than I'd 
expect most general purpose maps to want to show.


It's very possible (and not terribly difficult) to come up with a map 
style that highlights the data that you want - making it then look nice 
is the tricky bit, as to me would be figuring out how to host and serve 
the data to allcomers (though as Wikimedia I suspect you've solved that 
last bit).


Cheers,

Andy (SomeoneElse)


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