Re: [OSM-talk] Interesting cases of vandalism?
Hi Mulone, Please list your project on the Research wiki page, and ideally come back to update it if you write any papers. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Research Gregory. On 22 February 2013 13:28, Mulone mul...@rome.com wrote: (Apologies for cross-posting) Hi all, I am an academic researcher and I am studying the issue of vandalism in OpenStreetMap (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism for a general discussion). I am very interested in the motivations that lead users to vandalise OpenStreetMap. Can you point me to specific instances of vandalism that have an *identifiable reason*? Examples might include: - People changing borders of countries in conflict zones - People renaming famous places with their name/interests - Companies damaging data to prevent competition (such as the alleged vandalism by Google’s contractors) - People damaging symbolic places (e.g. deletion of the White House or the Eiffel Tower) - People damaging data to bully locals/other users - People creating imaginary places - People who are frustrated with the editing tools and start using them to damage data Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences! Mulone -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Interesting-cases-of-vandalism-tp5750346.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Interesting cases of vandalism?
2013/2/23 Paul Norman penor...@mac.com: The problem is that people think that a vote on the wiki pages means that the far more common tag is wrong. I tag my bus stops with highway=bus_stop (as well as operator, ref and shelter/bench information) +1, in this particular case I also question whether public_transport will ever become the preferred tag for bus stops, it doesn't offer any advantages *1 but requires more effort from the mapper for the same content (you'd need at least 2 tags instead of one, because you have to add bus=yes, and eventually with the public_transport-scheme you'd also need an explicit relation for what can be easily accomplished by software (projecting the bus stop to the stop position on the road). cheers, Martin *1 at least as long as you don't consider it an advantage to have train stations and bus stops tagged with the same key (personally I don't). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Interesting cases of vandalism?
On 2/23/2013 8:19 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: and eventually with the public_transport-scheme you'd also need an explicit relation for what can be easily accomplished by software (projecting the bus stop to the stop position on the road). It depends on the eventual use - if it's only to create a mark on the map indicating the stop position, the old scheme works. The relation is needed for cases where the stop is in the legs of a Y for example - it may be physically closer to the left leg, while the actual bus route for that stop is on the right leg. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Interesting cases of vandalism?
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Mulone mul...@rome.com wrote: (Apologies for cross-posting) Hi all, I am an academic researcher and I am studying the issue of vandalism in OpenStreetMap (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism for a general discussion). I am very interested in the motivations that lead users to vandalise OpenStreetMap. Can you point me to specific instances of vandalism that have an *identifiable reason*? Examples might include: - People changing borders of countries in conflict zones - People renaming famous places with their name/interests - Companies damaging data to prevent competition (such as the alleged vandalism by Google’s contractors) - People damaging symbolic places (e.g. deletion of the White House or the Eiffel Tower) - People damaging data to bully locals/other users - People creating imaginary places - People who are frustrated with the editing tools and start using them to damage data Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences! Mulone Are you only looking at intentional vandalism? One common thing I've seen is new users not understanding that they are editing *THE* map. They just want to make some simplified map for an event they are doing or something. So they delete all the rivers and some minor roads. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Interesting cases of vandalism?
Hi Mulone, This UN Dispatch article(1) mentions some of the main streets in Jalalabad, Afghanistan having joke names. Note this has since been fixed by those same mappers. Hameed who is mentioned in the article also spoke at last years State of the Map Conference. -Kate (1) http://www.undispatch.com/how-afghan-mappers-punked-apple On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Mulone mul...@rome.com wrote: (Apologies for cross-posting) Hi all, I am an academic researcher and I am studying the issue of vandalism in OpenStreetMap (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism for a general discussion). I am very interested in the motivations that lead users to vandalise OpenStreetMap. Can you point me to specific instances of vandalism that have an *identifiable reason*? Examples might include: - People changing borders of countries in conflict zones - People renaming famous places with their name/interests - Companies damaging data to prevent competition (such as the alleged vandalism by Google’s contractors) - People damaging symbolic places (e.g. deletion of the White House or the Eiffel Tower) - People damaging data to bully locals/other users - People creating imaginary places - People who are frustrated with the editing tools and start using them to damage data Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences! Mulone -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Interesting-cases-of-vandalism-tp5750346.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Interesting cases of vandalism?
2013/2/22 Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com: Are you only looking at intentional vandalism? One common thing I've seen is new users not understanding that they are editing *THE* map. They just want to make some simplified map for an event they are doing or something. So they delete all the rivers and some minor roads. I can confirm this, all replies I ever got from people which I asked about their deletions from the map were saying that they hadn't understood they were editing the main official database. Usually they wanted a clean printout and therefore deleted some POIs in the way, or others drew a motorway zigzag over the city center. Other kind of vandalism are mappers who want to correct perceived errors (they prefer different tags, or they have read in the wiki that a certain tag is deprecated and so they delete these tags or change them to other tags (that are maybe not in broader use)). This is partly also happening where it wouldn't be necessary from a technical point of view (different keys), but some mappers think that there should be _one_ main key describing an object so they remove deprecated tags as duplicates (an example would be highway=bus_stop vs. public_transport tags). Yet another kind of vandalism (or maybe better spam) is created intentionally by people in order to promote certain businesses, e.g. a dance club where tourism=attraction is added. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Interesting cases of vandalism?
I remember a case where a contributor was removing shop names (or even shop POI) because he did not want OSM to become too much shop oriented... but vandalism is quite unusual. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Interesting cases of vandalism?
Other kind of vandalism are mappers who want to correct perceived errors (they prefer different tags, or they have read in the wiki that a certain tag is deprecated and so they delete these tags or change them to other tags (that are maybe not in broader use)). This is partly also happening where it wouldn't be necessary from a technical point of view (different keys), but some mappers think that there should be _one_ main key describing an object so they remove deprecated tags as duplicates (an example would be highway=bus_stop vs. public_transport tags). Ouch, you hit a sore spot there. I'm in the process of adding 35000 stops for the northern part of Belgium. If I simply add the tags approved over a year ago, they won't be rendered. So I'll keep with the highway=bus_stop tag for the time being. Adding both ways of doing things seems like a waste of space and tagging for the renderer. Having to retag them in bulk sometime in the far away future, seems like pollution of the history, though. So the big question is: when will bus stops tagged with only the newly accepted system be rendered (preferably on all relevant renderings), so I can do this operation 'right' all in one go? I shudder at the tought that removing highway=bus_stop from them would be considered an act of vandalism. Maybe I should not care about rendering and simply not add that tag in the first place... Polyglot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Interesting cases of vandalism?
The problem is that people think that a vote on the wiki pages means that the far more common tag is wrong. I tag my bus stops with highway=bus_stop (as well as operator, ref and shelter/bench information) From: Jo [mailto:winfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 2:35 PM To: Martin Koppenhoefer Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Interesting cases of vandalism? Ouch, you hit a sore spot there. I'm in the process of adding 35000 stops for the northern part of Belgium. If I simply add the tags approved over a year ago, they won't be rendered. So I'll keep with the highway=bus_stop tag for the time being. Adding both ways of doing things seems like a waste of space and tagging for the renderer. Having to retag them in bulk sometime in the far away future, seems like pollution of the history, though. So the big question is: when will bus stops tagged with only the newly accepted system be rendered (preferably on all relevant renderings), so I can do this operation 'right' all in one go? I shudder at the tought that removing highway=bus_stop from them would be considered an act of vandalism. Maybe I should not care about rendering and simply not add that tag in the first place... Polyglot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
