Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing Lists for MOM development
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 4:22 AM, elvin ibbotson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mom is now on release, but is still being developed too. The first release > version, at the beginning of May, was v.1.2.3 and I released v.1.2.5 earlier > this month. I'm not completely up to speed with all the obscure acronyms so > mom may or may not be FOSS depending on what it means ;-) Given its "attribution/non-commercial/no derivative works/unported" it is definitely not FOSS (Free Open Source Software). May I ask why you don't put it under a license that allows modifications such as the BSD or GPL? Do you plan to sell the app and make millions out of it? :D Cause opening the development might bring contributions and help improve the app faster much like the very development of OSM by the way (there's a similar app for windows ce and qtopia that is FOSS by the way http://code.google.com/p/opencitymap/). It's your app though so you're the master of your domain ;) Cheers, Pat ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing Lists for MOM development
On 20 Aug 2008, at 11:43, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but MOM development is closed, right? It's not FOSS? So why is there a requirement for "a new OSM mailing list for mom" development, when the OSM community cannot develop it? Perhaps this email subject is misleading me. If its *not* for development, is it for the developers to get and respond to feature suggestions? Perhaps you could think about using forums (a thread in the OSM forums could work) or email newsletter to communicate with your users. Mom is now on release, but is still being developed too. The first release version, at the beginning of May, was v.1.2.3 and I released v.1.2.5 earlier this month. I'm not completely up to speed with all the obscure acronyms so mom may or may not be FOSS depending on what it means ;-) Many mom users are keen to have a place where they can discuss the application and I want to be able to announce changes, sound out ideas and get feedback. Google or Yahoo mailing lists were suggested as was a new OSM mailing list devoted to mom. For now, though, I have simply done a bit of housekeeping on what had become a messy wiki page and created new pages specifically for suggestions, issues affecting particular phones and bugs and other problems where users are invited to join in. elvin ibbotson___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing Lists for MOM development
Rory McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem isn't that Google can read your data, this is a public > mailing list. The problem is that google controls your list. In order > for people to sign up to your list, they need to enter an agreement with > Google. No, you can participate in google "groups" without creating a google account first. E-mail subscription still works, even if it is weakly documented. -- Karl Eichwalder ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing Lists for MOM development
Correct me if I'm wrong, but MOM development is closed, right? It's not FOSS? So why is there a requirement for "a new OSM mailing list for mom" development, when the OSM community cannot develop it? Perhaps this email subject is misleading me. If its *not* for development, is it for the developers to get and respond to feature suggestions? Perhaps you could think about using forums (a thread in the OSM forums could work) or email newsletter to communicate with your users. cheers, Tim On 8/20/08, elvin ibbotson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Rory McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 20 August 2008 10:49:14 BDT > To: Patrick Aljord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Talk Openstreetmap > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing Lists for MOM development > > > > Patrick Aljord wrote: > > Heh, I forgot about those, you do realize though that even if the > mailing list are not hosted on google, as long as they are public > Google will index them and collect all the data they can as the "Big > Brother" they are. When it comes to public web service there is no way > to avoid the Google (unless you use the robot.txt but that doesn't fly > with mailing lists). > > The problem isn't that Google can read your data, this is a public mailing > list. The problem is that google controls your list. In order for people to > sign up to your list, they need to enter an agreement with Google. With your > own hosted email list you are the one in control. > > We're getting sidetracked here with this Google v. OSM debate (anyone > remember when Google were the good guys?). > > I'd like to set up a new OSM mailing list for mom but a quick glance at the > wiki didn't find a 'how to set up a new mailing list' page. Can anyone point > me in the right direction? > > elvin ibbotson > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing Lists for MOM development
From: Rory McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 20 August 2008 10:49:14 BDT To: Patrick Aljord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing Lists for MOM development Patrick Aljord wrote: Heh, I forgot about those, you do realize though that even if the mailing list are not hosted on google, as long as they are public Google will index them and collect all the data they can as the "Big Brother" they are. When it comes to public web service there is no way to avoid the Google (unless you use the robot.txt but that doesn't fly with mailing lists). The problem isn't that Google can read your data, this is a public mailing list. The problem is that google controls your list. In order for people to sign up to your list, they need to enter an agreement with Google. With your own hosted email list you are the one in control. We're getting sidetracked here with this Google v. OSM debate (anyone remember when Google were the good guys?). I'd like to set up a new OSM mailing list for mom but a quick glance at the wiki didn't find a 'how to set up a new mailing list' page. Can anyone point me in the right direction? elvin ibbotson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing Lists for MOM development
Patrick Aljord wrote: > Heh, I forgot about those, you do realize though that even if the > mailing list are not hosted on google, as long as they are public > Google will index them and collect all the data they can as the "Big > Brother" they are. When it comes to public web service there is no way > to avoid the Google (unless you use the robot.txt but that doesn't fly > with mailing lists). The problem isn't that Google can read your data, this is a public mailing list. The problem is that google controls your list. In order for people to sign up to your list, they need to enter an agreement with Google. With your own hosted email list you are the one in control. Rory ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing Lists for MOM development
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:56 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > will you please use one of the nice openstreetmap.org or openstreetmap.de > or openstreetmap.whatever mailing list services instead of > some big-brother google mailing list service. > > . o O (ยง$&*Argg, how can someone even type such a recommendation > while answering on a OSM mailing list... ) > Heh, I forgot about those, you do realize though that even if the mailing list are not hosted on google, as long as they are public Google will index them and collect all the data they can as the "Big Brother" they are. When it comes to public web service there is no way to avoid the Google (unless you use the robot.txt but that doesn't fly with mailing lists). Cheers, Pat ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
