[Talk-hr] Names of towns in Istria
Hi! I noticed that several towns in Istria are tagged in the following way: name=Rovinj / Rovigno name:hr=Rovinj name:it=Rovigno place=town Shouldn't the name tag just read name=Rovinj? This would also produce a better renderer output. Regards, Bernhard ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government
From: Kate Chapman [mailto:k...@maploser.com] Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government Hi All, I have a question about what would trigger the ShareAlike in the context of government. Let's say for example a National Mapping Agency takes the OpenStreetMap road data for their area and then improves upon it. Those improvements are shared with the Ministry of the Environment. Is that redistribution? Crown copyright is one area where the law really varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Here if one ministry sent data to another I doubt it would be distribution - anything produced by either ministry is copyright by the Crown. On the other hand, if it was sent from a ministry to a crown corporation it would be. I'm not sure how this interacts with FOI laws either - although I may be asking the FOI commissioner some questions about copyright and FOI. However, it's worth considering the practical implications of if it is considered distribution. If it isn't, then both ministries are part of the same organization and either could release the changes under the SA license. If it is, then the second ministry could release the data under the SA license, so again either could release the changes under the SA license. In both cases, the effect is the same. The second paragraph of http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DistributeSubsidiary talks about how if moving a copy to a subsidiary is distribution it doesn't in practice matter. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government
In the case of the ODbL this would depend on the ownership and legal status of the mapping agency (actually it seems as if the ODbL has a tiny issue in that while parent-owned entity is considered non-public and ok, the other way around not, something for 1.1). I don't believe CC by-SA 2.0 has any such exemption and as I read it, any distribution, even non-public, triggers SA. However this would only start having consequences if the Ministry of the Environment was actually distributing the data further (if SA was triggered in the case of the ODbL the derived DB would have to be made available). IANAL Simon Am 18.06.2012 05:59, schrieb Kate Chapman: Hi All, I have a question about what would trigger the ShareAlike in the context of government. Let's say for example a National Mapping Agency takes the OpenStreetMap road data for their area and then improves upon it. Those improvements are shared with the Ministry of the Environment. Is that redistribution? Thanks, -Kate ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government
Hi, On 06/18/2012 05:59 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: I have a question about what would trigger the ShareAlike in the context of government. Let's say for example a National Mapping Agency takes the OpenStreetMap road data for their area and then improves upon it. Those improvements are shared with the Ministry of the Environment. Is that redistribution? First of all, any share-alike - with CC-By-SA as well as ODbL - only affects those who are in receipt of the derived work. So if the NMA gives a derived work to the ME, then *even if* that is considered distribution, the rights arising from share-alike are only granted to the ME, and not to the general public. (Same if you sell OSM derived databases, under old or new license - the customer gains share-alike rights but not a non-customer.) The interesting question is, and I don't know if Paul intended to hint at that with his FOI reference: What happens if the information is leaked, e.g. if the ME has to reveal the derived data as a result of a FOI request - does the recipient (who made the FOI request) then gain share-alike rights also? I presume they do but I'm not sure. Other kinds of leaks are possible; among UK government officials it is customary to lose notebooks and hard disks on trains. The GPL FAQ (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0-faq.html#TOCInternalDistribution) contains the question whether theft of previously un-relesed GPL software would trigger share-alike and the answer is no, because the sharing did not happen intentionally. The GPL FAQ also says that company-internal use is not distribution, but providing copies to off-site contractors is; if that were true for OSM, then if you made a PDF and emailed that to a print shop to make 20 copies for you that would already be distribution. (What happens of the MoD takes an OSM map, draws a little bit on top of it and stamps it secret - is that allowed at all, given that the current license requires that they must not add any restrictions to the material...?) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government
From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government Hi, The interesting question is, and I don't know if Paul intended to hint at that with his FOI reference: What happens if the information is leaked, e.g. if the ME has to reveal the derived data as a result of a FOI request - does the recipient (who made the FOI request) then gain share-alike rights also? I presume they do but I'm not sure. FOI and copyrights (or any kind of secrets) gets complicated. When you add in the complications from GIS data not being a well-explored area of copyright law it gets even murkier. So here you're combining FOI with copyright of GIS data with share-alike. As a local example, a contract that IBM entered into with the Crown locally (a copyrighted documented) was considered confidential by the contract. The FOI office disagreed, ordered its release, and a court case and some appeals later, it's now released under FOI. In this case the FOI requestors would be intending to report on the contents of it and copyright wouldn't interfere. With GIS data generally you want to use the data, not report on it. Other kinds of leaks are possible; among UK government officials it is customary to lose notebooks and hard disks on trains. The GPL FAQ (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0- faq.html#TOCInternalDistribution) contains the question whether theft of previously un-relesed GPL software would trigger share-alike and the answer is no, because the sharing did not happen intentionally. The GPL FAQ also says that company-internal use is not distribution, but providing copies to off-site contractors is; if that were true for OSM, then if you made a PDF and emailed that to a print shop to make 20 copies for you that would already be distribution. I'm not sure on that - I suspect it would depend on where you are, how the contracts with the contractors are worded, and if they can keep the materials. Contractors tend to be fairly free with documents supplied to them (e.g. manuals or instructions), reusing them internally. (What happens of the MoD takes an OSM map, draws a little bit on top of it and stamps it secret - is that allowed at all, given that the current license requires that they must not add any restrictions to the material...?) If they're not distributing - nothing. They don't need any permission from the copyright holder for that. If they distribute it, then they might be in trouble, but copyright might not apply here if it's the MoD - there are plenty of exemptions in most IP law for national security related reasons. You might be able to stop them from distributing it in another country, but in that other country the secret might have no effect. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom Imagery
If you have your imagery in the typical GeoTIFF format at least for small areas the Import Image plugin will allow you to use it directly. If you have a larger area it may make sense to tile the data and set-up your own server (however the tiling is a rather slow process). Simon Am 18.06.2012 05:51, schrieb Alex Rollin: I am looking into how to use custom imagery for tracing. Can anyone point me at a process, and how-to? I was looking at the Digital Globe site, thinking of buying some images. What would I do with them to load them into JOSM? It appears there is no open background image and add to map dialog. Do I need to create wms tiles? Alex ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Unauthorized mechanical edit - changeset 11913785 - amenity=airport-aeroway=aerodrome
2012/6/18 Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com: No. Reverting does _not_ mean uploading old version. It means undoing your changeset completely or partially. Technically, the reverter does pretty much that: Upload the version before the problematic change (this creates a new version and extends the object history like a normal changeset, there is no server magic for reverting). One exception are objects that have been created in the bad changeset: There is no previous version, so they are just deleted by the reverter. See info about JOSM plugin Reverter (IIRC). .. And probably makes sense to look into it a bit before actually reverting -- as you may mess up more when reverting. Whenever there are already changes by other users on top of the bad changeset (dirty revert), you'll get notified by the plugin (conflicts are created). See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Reverter As some commenter said, it's easier to revert sooner than later. True. :) Paul ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom Imagery
Alex Rollin alex.rollin at gmail.com writes: I am looking into how to use custom imagery for tracing. Can anyone point me at a process, and how-to? I was looking at the Digital Globe site, thinking of buying some images. What would I do with them to load them into JOSM? It appears there is no open background image and add to map dialog. Could you tolerate using Merkaartor? It has a pretty good support for all images supported by GDAL. It can do on-the-fly reprojection too. -Jukka Rahkonen- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Unauthorized mechanical edit - changeset 11913785 - amenity=airport-aeroway=aerodrome
On 17/06/12 17:15, bruno wrote: On dom, 2012-06-17 at 16:30 +0200, colliar wrote: It is your decision but you will probably gain more friends by reverting and making more careful mechanical edits including reporting about it in advance. reverting means to upload the old version of those nodes/relations, right? More or less. Have a look at the reverter plugin in JOSM. Just download all the objects of your changeset and revert the whole changeset using the plugin and upload again. Good luck colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
Rob replied: From what I understand the cycleway:left=lane ( right) is the correct way to tag these. The choice of 'left'/'right' depends on which way the road is drawn in OSM. As you probably already know all roads (ways) have a direction which can be found by selecting the way and looking for the arrow next to the rubbish bin icon. 'Left'/'Right' is then based on the direction of the way, therefore you will need to make sure that OSM's and DfT's ways are drawn in the SAME DIRECTION before merging! As noted in a previous post, most other tags use 'forward'/'backward' rather than left/right. Personally I think this would be a better tag as it provides the data that routing software requires (without the need to know which side of the road each country drives on). On the flip side, it would make rendering a little harder. Thanks Rob, but in this case the lanes are on both sides of the road in the relevant places. And, as you note, left and right are relative to the direction of the OSM way, so the direction each country drives on isn’t relevant. I guess I was really asking is whether I should tag both :left and :right or whether there was a :both equivalent. In the case of cycle lanes you need to use left and right precisely because it eliminates the need to know which side people drive on, which using forward and backward would require. Things noted with the DfT data this morning while looking at local data. * Ncn ref typo: 15 where it should be 51 * Use of highway=byway and highway=BOAT in the suggestions (the first for a parking aisle in a car park by some shops, the second for a short cul-de-sac which leads to a public footpath). * Use of lcn for the international (icn) North Sea Cycle Route section in the area. * Tagging suggestions for a way which has clear no cycling signs at either end as a cycleway (there is a parallel cycleway which is also in the DfT data). So, not simply importing this data was a wise decision. Locally it is mainly adding surface and est_width (and sometimes lit) tags which has needed doing. Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
Ooops. Wrong list, sorry. Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
On , Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Thanks Rob, but in this case the lanes are on both sides of the road in the relevant places. And, as you note, left and right are relative to the direction of the OSM way, so the direction each country drives on isn't relevant. So are you saying that lanes tagged as either cycleway:left=lane or cycleway:right=lane are both to be rode in the direction of the way? If not then the side each country drives on must be relevant. (note that a cycle lane is different from a cycle path - a lane lies within the main road carriageway). I guess I was really asking is whether I should tag both :left and :right or whether there was a :both equivalent. In the case of cycle lanes you need to use left and right precisely because it eliminates the need to know which side people drive on, which using forward and backward would require. I don't see this. Right and Left tell you where the lane is, but it does not tell a user (or routing software) which direction you can ride in. This requires knowledge of which side of the road each country drives on (or forward/backward tags). - snip - Rob ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Unauthorized mechanical edit - changeset 11913785 - amenity=airport-aeroway=aerodrome
At 2012-06-17 03:38, bruno wrote: Hi! without too much thinking and without discussing it (and without reading the wiki) I made a worldwide mechanical edit http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11913785 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/White_Rabbit I modified 1120 elements which had the amenity=airport tag: * those which already had aeroway=* were just stripped of amenity=airport and the aeroway=* was left untouched; * those elements with just amenity=airport and no aeroway=* were stripped of of amenity=airport and added aeroway=aerodrome. I have the old version of the nodes [1]. I'm sorry for the mess :-| What do we do? I'm not sure what the issue is here. Why do people think this needs a complete revert? Is amenity=airport documented or supported anywhere? Isn't it likely that these _are_ mostly airports (which, of course, should have been verified first)? While the Korean schools are certainly wrong, I'd bet that most of them were, mis-tagged airports. I'd ask the original contributor why the schools were tagged that way, if possible. Otherwise, take the opportunity to look at the names, other tags, imagery, etc. in determining which of the edits should remain. According to taginfo, there are a _ridiculous_ 7641 values for the amenity tag, the vast majority of which have single-digit quantities (i.e. less than 10 occurrences). It seems people are just blindly making shit up instead of trying to figure out the correct tag to use, and this problem is only getting bigger. -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom Imagery
At 2012-06-17 20:51, Alex Rollin wrote: I am looking into how to use custom imagery for tracing. Can anyone point me at a process, and how-to? I was looking at the Digital Globe site, thinking of buying some images. I've used the PicLayer plugin for JOSM successfully. It has tools to stretch/compress and align the image correctly and then save the resulting calibration for future use. It's suitable for a reasonably small area - ideally one screenful at the res that you want to map, but you could zoom up a level or two without hurting your results too much (i.e. 16 screens' worth of image). Basically, you need calibration targets on the image with known lat/lon values. Normally, you have this for at least the four corners. If there is another in the middle, that's even better for verification. You then use the PicLayer tools to align those points with the same lat/lon in the JOSM viewport. -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Looking to meet OSM users in Mexico
Hello: My organization is working on a project that involves mapping in detail the U.S./Mexico border fence system. We plan to use Open Street Map for much of this mapping. I'll be coming down to the border in a few weeks, and I'd love to talk to any OSM enthusiasts or other geo hacker type folks when I'm there. This first trip is focusing on Baja, Sonora, California and part of Arizona and is mostly a proof-of-concept. If you have some time to hang out, please get in touch and I can fill you in with some more details about what we're up to. And if you're elsewhere but still interested, let me know -- we'll be needing plenty of help soon! Thanks, -- Michael Corey News Applications Developer Center for Investigative Reporting 510.809.3178 /2012 Recipient of the MacArthur Award for Creative and Effective Institutions/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget
Hey guys, Give me an opinion on my GSoC project: http://sandra-milanovic.github.com/OpenStreetMapWidget/ (it's a work in progress and not all of the functionalities are implemented yet) All the best, Sandra ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget
Hi Sandra: The interface is pretty easy to understand. I'd love it if I could enter more than one point (not hundreds, but more than one would be nice) and if I could have an info window pop up when I clicked on the point(s). Michael Corey News Applications Developer Center for Investigative Reporting 510.809.3178 /2012 Recipient of the MacArthur Award for Creative and Effective Institutions/ On 6/18/12 3:04 PM, Aleksandra Milanovic wrote: Hey guys, Give me an opinion on my GSoC project: http://sandra-milanovic.github.com/OpenStreetMapWidget/ (it's a work in progress and not all of the functionalities are implemented yet) All the best, Sandra ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 00:04 +0200, Aleksandra Milanovic wrote: Hey guys, Give me an opinion on my GSoC project: http://sandra-milanovic.github.com/OpenStreetMapWidget/ (it's a work in progress and not all of the functionalities are implemented yet) All the best, Sandra point(s). Hi Sandra The placemark map is great and I can see myself using this. Many times I have used google because it puts a pin the map, now I can use OSM. Would love to see the route working, keep up the good work. Thanks Phil ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] In Germany errors on mapdust
I regularly see errors posted on mapdust similar to this, I have put in a UK destination in Shrewsbury but the map appears to be in Germany. I have been closing these as they are nothing to do with OSM, but anyone have any idea why they occur, and why is it always Germany? I am seeing them in both Shropshire and Leicestershire, so doubt they are posted by the same person. Thanks Phil ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget
Well, the create a placemark map works nicely :) Although I really expected to be able to just click directly on the map, not have to push the button first. I can't wait to see what you come up with for create an advanced map. I've been wanting something to replicate Google's my places for a long time. Here's a use case if you want one: - I want to be able to draw a single map overlay that shows all the cycle tours I've done around my home state. I like to be able to see at a glance which areas I've never been to - maybe I'll go there next. Different colors for different kinds of trips. I'd be really happy if a single route could combine road-following and straight line segments (eg, riding where there is not a road on OSM). Incidentally, do you think the question at the start (which kind of map?) is necessary? Isn't a placemark map just an advanced map that only has one placemark? It would also be useful to be able to caption this placemark map somehow. Steve On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Aleksandra Milanovic sandraa.milano...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, Give me an opinion on my GSoC project: http://sandra-milanovic.github.com/OpenStreetMapWidget/ (it's a work in progress and not all of the functionalities are implemented yet) All the best, Sandra ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] In Germany errors on mapdust
Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I regularly see errors posted on mapdust similar to this, I have put in a UK destination in Shrewsbury but the map appears to be in Germany. I have been closing these as they are nothing to do with OSM, but anyone have any idea why they occur, and why is it always Germany? I am seeing them in both Shropshire and Leicestershire, so doubt they are posted by the same person. Thanks Phil ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk At a guess, there is a program bug that is using a constant value as part of the coordinates, rather than what the user entered, and which coincidentally causes the resulting coordinates to point to a location in Germany. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] In Germany errors on mapdust
AFAIK Mapdust/Skobbler is Made in Germany. So if for whatever reason it can't figure out where to look, then it defaults to Germany. On 06/19/2012 12:25 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: I regularly see errors posted on mapdust similar to this, I have put in a UK destination in Shrewsbury but the map appears to be in Germany. I have been closing these as they are nothing to do with OSM, but anyone have any idea why they occur, and why is it always Germany? I am seeing them in both Shropshire and Leicestershire, so doubt they are posted by the same person. Thanks Phil --- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget
Will you be storing all the information in the URL? Or will you be doing any backend work to collect data? A On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the create a placemark map works nicely :) Although I really expected to be able to just click directly on the map, not have to push the button first. I can't wait to see what you come up with for create an advanced map. I've been wanting something to replicate Google's my places for a long time. Here's a use case if you want one: - I want to be able to draw a single map overlay that shows all the cycle tours I've done around my home state. I like to be able to see at a glance which areas I've never been to - maybe I'll go there next. Different colors for different kinds of trips. I'd be really happy if a single route could combine road-following and straight line segments (eg, riding where there is not a road on OSM). Incidentally, do you think the question at the start (which kind of map?) is necessary? Isn't a placemark map just an advanced map that only has one placemark? It would also be useful to be able to caption this placemark map somehow. Steve On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Aleksandra Milanovic sandraa.milano...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, Give me an opinion on my GSoC project: http://sandra-milanovic.github.com/OpenStreetMapWidget/ (it's a work in progress and not all of the functionalities are implemented yet) All the best, Sandra ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget
Hi Sandra, It is looking good! The location detection works well on my Android Phone, but the 'send by SMS' does not work. The email link option works fine. I have raised an issue on your Github repository ( https://github.com/Sandra-Milanovic/OpenStreetMapWidget/issues ). The other thing that I would find useful is the ability to select which map tile background to use - could this be selectable too? Again I raised an issue for you. Regards Graham. -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-tr] Merhaba
Merhaba bir müddettir yaşadığım yer için çizimler yapıyorum ve işin aslı listeyi yeni farkettim :) Gps konusunda yardımcı olabilecek birisi var mı acaba? -- Birtan YILDIZ http://www.birtanyildiz.com BT Öğretmeni / IT Teacher http://www.birtanyildiz.com bir...@birtanyildiz.com birtan.yil...@linux.org.tr ___ Talk-tr mailing list Talk-tr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-tr
Re: [Talk-is] Varðandi loftmyndir af Garðabæ
IMHO you should not rely on that the aerial images are always correctly aligned: just look at the new Bing hi-res images that cover Vesturlandsvegur south of Esja (near the parking place for the þverfellshorn hiking path): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=64.208747lon=-21.717975zoom=18 OSM has many many GPS tracks for that area and while GPS is not that precise, I would expect that the average of these many GPS tracks is a good approximation of the true position. -- However, the the new Bing hi-res images for Vesturlandsvegur do not fit at all the center of these many GPS tracks!!! Just my 2 cents, Helmut On 06/18/2012 07:30 PM, Thorhallur Sverrisson wrote: Passa göturnar við gps trackin? Ef svo er þá er komin 2 af 3 götunum í vil. Ef tracks passa við myndir hljóta myndir að vera réttar. Sent from my iPhone On 18.6.2012, at 17:12, Svavar Kjarrval sva...@kjarrval.is wrote: Hæ. Ákvað að fara yfir Garðabæ og tek eftir að göturnar þar eru ekki í samræmi við loftmyndirnar þrátt fyrir að þær séu unnar eftir hnitum sem við fengum frá Garðabæ. Hvernig eigum við að ákvarða hvaða source er réttara? Hnitin sem við fengum frá Garðabæ voru í RVK 1951 hnitakerfinu og þurfti að fara í að umbreyta hnitunum í WGS 1984. Hins vegar er alltaf möguleiki að loftmyndirnar hafa verið rangt settar inn. Með kveðju, Svavar Kjarrval ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is -- Dr. Helmut Neukirchen, Associate professor, Faculty of Industrial Engineering, Mechanical Engineering and Computer Science, University of Iceland. Phone: +354 525-5423 mailto:hel...@hi.is http://uni.hi.is/helmut/ ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is
Re: [Talk-de] Taggingschema OpenRailwayMap
Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2012, 18:36:38 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 16. Juni 2012 16:16 schrieb Alexander Matheisen alexandermathei...@ish.de: Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2012, 14:37:10 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 16. Juni 2012 14:35 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 15. Juni 2012 21:11 schrieb Alexander Matheisen alexandermathei...@ish.de: Was haltet ihr von dieser Idee? ich würde das automatisch bestimmen lassen aus den Gleisen, die auf das Gebiet führen, und ggf., falls bisher Werksgleise nicht als solches erkennbar sind (gerade zu faul, das im Wiki nachzuschlagen), dann lieber die Gleise näher definieren. bzw. den Haltepunkt. Also anstatt indirekt am Gesamtgelände zu taggen: hat einen Eisenbahnhaltepunkt/ Bahnverladung, lieber konkret dieses Feature taggen. Was ist z.B. mit einem großen Stahlwerk? Wo sind da die Haltepunkte? Und wie soll man dann den Bezug zur Fabrik haben? Ich will ja auf der Karte die Fabrik mit Namen und möglichst ihre Fläche sehen und nicht eine Haltestelle als kleiner Punkt ohne Namen und Ausdehnung. das muss ja nicht unbedingt ein kleiner Punkt sein. Ich habe z.B. mal die Bahnverladung bei Mercedes in Sinderfingen gesehen, das ist ein größerer Bereich, eine Art Güterbahnhof. Wer einen eigenen Gleisanschluss hat, wird normalerweise wohl auch innerhalb des Geländes für den Umschlag einen größeren Bereich vorsehen. Vermutlich ist das auch der Anteil, der für Eisenbahnkarten interessant ist. Meist gibt es aber gerade in großen Industrieanlagen wie Stahlwerken oder Chemiefabriken über das ganze Gelände verteilt Beladeeinrichtungen. Da hat man dann wieder das Problem, dass man eine Beziehung zwischen diesen einzelnen Punkten herstellen muss. Das kann man über eine Relation machen, aber wenn man ein Tag an die Fläche hängt, lässt sich dieses Problem auch einfacher lösen. Gruß Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Taggingschema OpenRailwayMap
Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2012, 18:03:45 schrieb Jimmy_K: Am 16.06.2012 14:37, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: bzw. den Haltepunkt. Also anstatt indirekt am Gesamtgelände zu taggen: hat einen Eisenbahnhaltepunkt/ Bahnverladung, lieber konkret dieses Feature taggen. Finde ich eine gute Idee. Vielleicht sollte man das Tag usage erweitern oder deren Inhalt konkretisieren. Ich würde den Gleisabschnitt auf dem die Verladung stattfindet/ stattfinden kann, entsprechend mit Tags versehen. z.B.: usage=container_loading (jetzt mal als Beispiel in einem Container-Terminal) Für den von dir angesprochenen Zweck gibt es bereits das Tag service=spur. Diese Erfassungsvariante bringt aber nur Nachteile mit sich: 1. Ich habe dann meist mehrere Gleise mit diesem Tag und muss die irgendwie zusammenfassen, einen Centroid bestimmen oder eine Beziehung zueinander herstellen. 2. Auf der Karte will ich die Ausdehnung der Fabrik sehen, was hier nicht möglich ist. 3. Ich will auf der Karte den Namen der Firma haben. Um den zu ermitteln, bräuchte ich wieder eine Relation oder muss es mit Funktionen der Geodatenbank ermitteln. Ganz ehrlich: Man kann es sich auch unnötig kompliziert machen. Ein simples Tag und die Sache ist erledigt. Keine zeitraubende Erfassung mit Relationen, keine komplizierte Auswertesoftware schreiben, ganz zu schweigen vom Mehraufwand bei den Ressourcen, die bei den OSM-Projekten bekanntlich nicht im Überfluss vorhanden sind. Gruß Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Taggingschema OpenRailwayMap
Am 18. Juni 2012 15:28 schrieb Alexander Matheisen alexandermathei...@ish.de: Meist gibt es aber gerade in großen Industrieanlagen wie Stahlwerken oder Chemiefabriken über das ganze Gelände verteilt Beladeeinrichtungen. um so besser ist es doch, diese auch zu mappen. Da hat man dann wieder das Problem, dass man eine Beziehung zwischen diesen einzelnen Punkten herstellen muss. das sollten die Gleise doch eigentlich tun Das kann man über eine Relation machen, aber wenn man ein Tag an die Fläche hängt, lässt sich dieses Problem auch einfacher lösen. welches Problem? In dem einen Fall ergänzt man Details in der Karte, die vielfältig genutzt werden können, und alle möglichen Probleme lösen, im anderen Fall ein schnödes Attribut, das praktisch keine Mehrinformation bietet, da es auch automatisch ableitbar ist, und nur für eine ganz bestimmte Frage eine (grobe) Antwort liefert. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Status Lizenzwechsel
Hallo, mittlerweile ist bei mir einige Unklarheit zum aktuellen Status des Lizenzwechsels entstanden. Wiki, Forum und Mailingliste haben mir bei meinen Fragen nicht wirklich Klarheit verschafft: * Wie sieht es mit dem Status der Datenbereinigung aus? * Wann ist der Lizenzwechsel vollständig abgeschlossen? * Wann kommt das erste Odbl-Planetfile bzw. wann die Diffs (ich weiß, zur Zeit erscheinen sie unter http://planet.openstreetmap.org/redaction-period/), aber wann sind sie wieder unter der alten URL verfügbar? Gruß Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wochennotiz Nr. 100
2012/6/17 Gehling Marc m.gehl...@gmx.de Hallo, die Wochennotiz Nr. 100 mit allen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der OpenStreetMap Welt ist da: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/2012/06/wochennotiz-nr-100/ Neue Bing-Bilder z.B. von Kanada stehen zum Mappen bereit. Nicht nur in Kanada. Auch für Deutschland sind neue Bilder verfügbar; es scheint, dass das Precision Aerial-Programm jetzt auch in Deutschland angekommen ist: Ort - Aufnahmejahr - Auflösung: Kiel - 2011 - 15cm Bremen - 2011 - 15cm Magdeburg - 2011 - 15cm Leipzig - 2011 - 15cm Dresden - 2011 - 15cm Stuttgart - 03-2012 - 30cm München - 03-2012 - 30cm Die unterschiedlichen Auflösungen kann man gut an Eisenbahnschienen erkennen. Bei 15cm-Auflösung sind einzelne Schwellen erkennbar, bei 30cm-Auflösung nicht (Das ist jetzt kein Aufruf zum Schwellenmappen! ;-) ). Bemerkenswert ist, dass die neueren Bilder die schlechtere Auflösung haben. Geplant ist, dass bis Jahresende ganz Deutschland in 15cm-Auflösung verfügbar ist. Im Raum Stuttgart sind derzeit keine Militäranlagen verschleiert - dafür aber Flughafen + Messe... ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Taggingschema OpenRailwayMap
Am Montag, 18. Juni 2012, 15:48:49 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 18. Juni 2012 15:28 schrieb Alexander Matheisen alexandermathei...@ish.de: Meist gibt es aber gerade in großen Industrieanlagen wie Stahlwerken oder Chemiefabriken über das ganze Gelände verteilt Beladeeinrichtungen. um so besser ist es doch, diese auch zu mappen. Klar, die könnte man auch erfassen, auch wenn es für meine Anwendung nicht von Interesse ist und es auch sonst keine Anwendung geben wird, die daran interessiert sind. Da hat man dann wieder das Problem, dass man eine Beziehung zwischen diesen einzelnen Punkten herstellen muss. das sollten die Gleise doch eigentlich tun Wie soll man anhand der Gleise eine Zusammengehörigkeit verschiedener Ladestellen herstellen? Das musst du mir jetzt mal genauer erklären... Das kann man über eine Relation machen, aber wenn man ein Tag an die Fläche hängt, lässt sich dieses Problem auch einfacher lösen. welches Problem? Das Problem ist, dass man die verschiedenen Ladestellen, die über ein Werksgelände verteilt sind, irgendwie zusammenfassen muss. In dem einen Fall ergänzt man Details in der Karte, die vielfältig genutzt werden können, und alle möglichen Probleme lösen, Wie gesagt habe ich nichts gegen die Erfassung dieser Ladestellen, aber die müssen einen Bezug untereinander und zur Firma erhalten. Jedoch kann ich mir zur Zeit auch noch keine Anwendung vorstellen, die ernsthaft an den Ladestellen interessiert wäre. Wenn, dann wären dies nur Routinganwendungen für Güterzüge, aber damit die sich zu einer Ladestelle routen lassen können, brauchen die noch weitere Informationen, an die wir von OSM nicht so leicht rankommen. im anderen Fall ein schnödes Attribut, das praktisch keine Mehrinformation bietet, da es auch automatisch ableitbar ist, und nur für eine ganz bestimmte Frage eine (grobe) Antwort liefert. Diese Information ist sonst aber nur mit einem Mehraufwand an geografischen Operationen in der Datenbank verbunden und möglicherweise auch nicht immer 100%ig korrekt. Natürlich wäre der Implementierungsaufwand nicht sehr hoch, aber der Rechenaufwand steigt und es sind eventuell größere Server nötig. Ein Tag dagegen vereinfacht das ganze sehr stark und ist völlig eindeutig. Gruß Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Status Lizenzwechsel
Hi, On 18.06.2012 15:52, Alexander Matheisen wrote: * Wie sieht es mit dem Status der Datenbereinigung aus? Hat noch nicht angefangen. Es heisst, dass die Software, die eingesetzt werden soll, nun weitgehend fertig sei. Bevor sie loslaeuft, wird es aber einen Testlauf auf einer vollstaendigen Datenbankkopie geben. * Wann ist der Lizenzwechsel vollständig abgeschlossen? Ist nicht klar - eben dann, wenn der Bot fertig ist und die OSMF den Startschuss fuer ODbL gibt. Ich wuerd mal so Ende Juli, Anfang August damit rechnen, aber ich hab schon oft daneben gelegen ;) * Wann kommt das erste Odbl-Planetfile bzw. wann die Diffs (ich weiß, zur Zeit erscheinen sie unter http://planet.openstreetmap.org/redaction-period/), aber wann sind sie wieder unter der alten URL verfügbar? Das erste ODbL-Planetfile kommt fruehestens wenn OSMF die Verwendung der neuen Lizenz verkuendet, spaetestens einige Tage danach. Dieser Verkuendungstermin ist nicht identisch mit dem Datenbereinigung ist fertig-Termin. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Biogasanlagen
Moin, Biogasanlagen sind in den letzten Jahren in großer Zahl entstanden; Ende 2011 gab es mehr als 7000 Anlagen in Deutschland. Typische Anlagen sind einige Hektar groß und bestehen aus größeren befestigten Flächen, Fahrsilos, einem oder mehreren Gärtanks von etwa 30m Durchmesser und einem kleinen Gebäude oder Container mit BHKW. Wie erfasst ihr solche Anlagen? Die Gesamtfläche als landuse=industrial (oder farmyard)? power=generator, power_source=biofuel als Tag für die Gesamtfläche, das Technikgebäude oder als Punkt? Welche Tags kann man für die Gärtanks verwenden, die oft der auffälligste Teil der Anlage sind? building=yes oder man_made=silo finde ich nicht passend. Viele Grüße Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-it] Definizione definitiva del pave' milanese
Scusate se torno nuovamente sull'argomento ma sto inserendo i dati della rilevazione fatta a Milano e ho cominciato a trovare delle inconsistenze. Io stesso ho usato un valore che a posteriori non mi torna e dovro' correggerlo o prima di fare l'upload dei dati o subito dopo. Nel famigerato piazzale Baiamonti di cui ho gia' scritto qualche giorno fa sono stati inseriti valori per surface del tutto inconsistenti tra loro. Qui potete vedere una foto di streetview della piazza: [1] La superficie e' fatta di lastricato (termine tecnico) ovvero quello che a Milano viene chiamato pave'. Nelle way che compongono la piazza sono presenti: - asphalt - sett - cobblestone Io, per complicare la situazione, stavo usando paving_stone. Ovviamente non va bene procedere cosi', visto che dovro' correggere tutte le superfici di Milano, vorrei inserire dati in maniera coerente. I valori devono anche essere funzionali allo scopo della rilevazione, routing per la bici, quindi non posso semplificare e trattare superfici diverse come uguali. Col gruppo tecnico di Ciclobby abbiamo scelto di semplificare per non appesantire troppo la rilevazione. Nella rilevazione sono state quindi indicate queste superfici: - lastricato ([1]) - autobloccanti (i sampietrini [2], le autobloccanti in senso proprio, come da foto sul wiki) - altre superfici che hanno gia' dei valori definiti (asfalto, sterrato, lastre) Per le autobloccanti e i sampietrini useremmo quindi cobblestone:flattened. Ma per il lastricato milanese cosa usare? La mia proposta, per cercare di mantenere coerenza con i valori gia' in uso: - si tratta di una superficie irregolare, quindi cobblestone - non sono sassi tondi ma relativamente piatti, quindi flattened - sono lastre di grosse dimensioni, quindi large_stone Combinando questi valori si potrebbe usare: cobblestone:flattened:large_stone oppure cobblestone:large_flat_stone Se vi viene in mente qualcosa di meglio... grazie maxx [1] http://maps.google.it/maps?q=baiamonti,+milanohl=itll=45.481841,9.182017spn=0.001835,0.00478sll=41.442726,12.392578sspn=8.431504,19.577637hq=baiamonti,hnear=Milano,+Lombardiat=mz=18layer=ccbll=45.481926,9.181962panoid=YM1Qr7cV__uAYkvBBYikegcbp=12,335.93,,0,-3.23 [2] http://www.ciclobby.it/ciclobby/files/imagegallerymodule/@random4b619d877efbd/gallery627/IMG_20111017_175939.jpg ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
Non so se sia meglio creare un thread per ogni caso o tenere tutto in un unico thread. Per ora inizio questo, se preferite in altro modo scrivetelo. Via Montello, parte sud id:152407649 La via e' percorribile solo da tram, taxi e mezzi di soccorso. Immagino anche dai residenti che accedono alle proprieta' ma sui cartelli stradali non c'e' questa indicazione, ma nella via ci sono accessi alle proprieta'. Sono presenti dei tag che credo errati: - bicycle=yes - oneway=yes (la via e' a doppio senso per i mezzi autorizzati) - horse=no - motor_vehicle=no Non ci sono indicazioni che autorizzino il passaggio in bici. Perche' specificare horse=no o motor_vehicle=no? Non basta psv=yes e emergency=yes (che non ci sono)? grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] troppe highway con tram
Il giorno 18 giugno 2012 12:21, emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it ha scritto: L'imbocco da sud e' consentito solo ai tram. Pero' se uno si trova in uno dei civici piu' a nord puo' percorrerla perche' la via e' a doppio senso. Mi pare di capire che l'unico modo per gestire la situazione e' con delle Relation:restriction-- Il modo pulito è mettere delle relazioni di divieto di svolta nella via per tutti i mezzi meno tram. Modo meno pulito: Si potrebbe anche inserire il tratto iniziale della via con accesso solo ai tram e il resto libero, senza relazione. Maurizio Daniele - maurizio.daniele (a) gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] troppe highway con tram
Il 06/18/2012 12:52 PM, Maurizio Daniele scrisse: Il modo pulito è mettere delle relazioni di divieto di svolta nella via per tutti i mezzi meno tram. Troppo banale! :-) In realta' le way per i tram sono definite a parte. Modo meno pulito: Si potrebbe anche inserire il tratto iniziale della via con accesso solo ai tram e il resto libero, senza relazione. Come sopra, i tram hanno gia' una loro strada. E comunque mi pare sbagliato. Un conto e' impedire l'accesso ad una strada, un altro e' una via consentita solo ad alcuni tipi di mezzo. grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Classificazione scuole
Il 13/06/2012 22:28, Alessio Zanol ha scritto: iniziamo a usare isced:level=* per indicare il grado delle scuole? Visto il consenso, ho aggiunto il link alla pagina anche qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Tag:amenity%3Dschool#Altri_tag_utili Ciao! Carlo -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\`/\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per codice ISTAT e codice catasto
Il 29/05/2012 19:21, Luca Wehrstedt ha scritto: Riguardo invece al tag ref:catasto, il nome non mi convince troppo. Questo identificativo dei comuni e' mantenuto dall'Agenzia del Territorio, pero' il tag ref:AgenziaDelTerritorio mi convince ancora meno. Tra l'altro l'Agenzia del Territorio è appena stata soppressa dal governo Monti: il catasto passa all'Agenzia delle Entrate. Ciao! Carlo -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\`/\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Classificazione scuole
2012/6/18 Carlo Stemberger carlo.stember...@gmail.com: Il 13/06/2012 22:28, Alessio Zanol ha scritto: iniziamo a usare isced:level=* per indicare il grado delle scuole? Visto il consenso, ho aggiunto il link alla pagina anche qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Tag:amenity%3Dschool#Altri_tag_utili ho leggermente modificato il link (proposta per un tag secondo la classificazione ISCED), visto che si tratta di una proposta in fase di draft. in realtà nel frattempo ho scoperto che non è ancora il massimo questo ISCED. In Germania non funziona bene, perchè il sistema di scuola lì ha dei tipi (Gymnasium) che fanno parte di più di un livello. I francesi usano un tag: school:FR= che alla fine non è così male (anche se valori in lingue diverse dal inglese hanno certi svantaggi). Quindi propongo (se ritenete necessario/utile) di aggiungere in più un tag: school:IT=it:liceo ecc. (quindi: tipo di scuola in Italia=valore specifico italiano, con preposto un it: per indicare che si tratta di un termine in lingua italiana) ciao, Martin PS: per chi interessa: una semplificazione del sistema tedesco, per esempio Gymnasium è un tipo di scuola che dura 9 anni, dalle 10 anni alle 19 anni: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Deutsches_Bildungssystem-quer.svg per una critica professionale del sistema di classificazione in rispetto al sistema tedesco: http://www.bibb.de/dokumente/pdf/Slides.Silke_.Schneider.pdf (in lingua tedesca) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] troppe highway con tram
2012/6/18 emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it: Come sopra, i tram hanno gia' una loro strada. E comunque mi pare sbagliato. Un conto e' impedire l'accesso ad una strada, un altro e' una via consentita solo ad alcuni tipi di mezzo. +1, poi chi sa se posso andare col cavallo sopra ai binari del tram, oppure a piedi? Ho notato che in alcuni situazioni vengono esclusi i pedoni perchè ci sono costruzioni del tipo: access=no, psv=yes, taxi=yes, emergency=yes, o simile. Dobbiamo starci attento, perchè spesso i marciapiedi sono impliciti nella strada. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] attraversamento pedonale tramvia
Attraversamento pedonale di tramvia in sede separata Via Mac mahon - via Cucchiari a Milano [1] Pensavo di aggiungere una way che colleghi le 2 way via cucchiari (4681905 e 16440725) con highway=crossing crossing=uncontrolled E' corretto aggiungere anche name=Via Cucchiari? Va creata una relation tra le 3 way via Cuccchiari? grazie maxx [1] http://maps.google.it/?ll=45.48845,9.164955spn=0.000925,0.00239t=mz=19layer=ccbll=45.488524,9.164862panoid=VpiV6KTvN_FFK9W6UKat2Acbp=12,113.98,,0,8.69 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
2012/6/18 emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it: Non so se sia meglio creare un thread per ogni caso o tenere tutto in un unico thread. Secondome una cosa bene hai già fatto: vie milanese come inizio del titolo. Forse, se volete discutere tante altre strade locali, sarebbe anche un'idea di creare una ML per la Lombardia, che apparentemente non c'è ancora: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
Il 06/18/2012 12:48 PM, emmexx scrisse: Via Losanna, id:57871141 E' definita come residential. Non e' molto residential, il traffico e' abbastanza intenso, e' una via di collegamento abbastanza importante in zona. Io la imposterei come tertiary o al limite unclassified. Attendo parere di chi la conosce. grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
Via Paolo Lomazzo id:57871138 Tra i tag c'e': addr:housenumber=8 Lo elimino? Lo riposiziono? grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
2012/6/18 emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it: Via Paolo Lomazzo id:57871138 Tra i tag c'e': addr:housenumber=8 Lo elimino? Lo riposiziono? e su un nodo o sul way della strada? ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
Il 06/18/2012 03:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer scrisse: Via Paolo Lomazzo id:57871138 e su un nodo o sul way della strada? Sulla way di cui ho indicato l'id. ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] troppe highway con tram
-Original Message- From: emmexx [mailto:emm...@tiscalinet.it] Sent: lunedì 18 giugno 2012 12:21 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] troppe highway con tram L'imbocco da sud e' consentito solo ai tram. Pero' se uno si trova in uno dei civici piu' a nord puo' percorrerla perche' la via e' a doppio senso. Mi pare di capire che l'unico modo per gestire la situazione e' con delle Relation:restriction Si, va bene una restriction. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] troppe highway con tram
2012/6/18 Alberto Nogaro bartosom...@yahoo.it: Mi pare di capire che l'unico modo per gestire la situazione e' con delle Relation:restriction Si, va bene una restriction. -1, dato che il tram ha una way a parte non vedo dove mettere la restriction. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
2012/6/18 emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it: Il 06/18/2012 03:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer scrisse: Via Paolo Lomazzo id:57871138 e su un nodo o sul way della strada? Sulla way di cui ho indicato l'id. a quel punto toglierei il tag dal way, non ha senso. Se sai dove va messo lo puoi naturalmente anche mettere su un nodo. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
-Original Message- From: emmexx [mailto:emm...@tiscalinet.it] Sent: lunedì 18 giugno 2012 12:48 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi La via e' percorribile solo da tram, taxi e mezzi di soccorso. Immagino anche dai residenti che accedono alle proprieta' ma sui cartelli stradali non c'e' questa indicazione, ma nella via ci sono accessi alle proprieta'. Sono presenti dei tag che credo errati: - bicycle=yes - oneway=yes (la via e' a doppio senso per i mezzi autorizzati) - horse=no - motor_vehicle=no Non ci sono indicazioni che autorizzino il passaggio in bici. Perche' specificare horse=no o motor_vehicle=no? Non basta psv=yes e emergency=yes (che non ci sono)? Toglierei tutti i tag che hai segnato come errati e aggiungerei: vehicle=no psv=yes emergency=yes per il bicycle=yes, prima di toglierlo controlla se magari è consentito percorrere in bici i marciapiedi. Per gli accessi alle proprietà non mi preoccuperei troppo, chi vi accede non ha certo bisogno di consultare OSM. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
Il 06/18/2012 04:47 PM, Alberto Nogaro scrisse: per il bicycle=yes, prima di toglierlo controlla se magari è consentito percorrere in bici i marciapiedi. Si', scendendo dalla bici! ;-) grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] attraversamento pedonale tramvia
-Original Message- From: emmexx [mailto:emm...@tiscalinet.it] Sent: lunedì 18 giugno 2012 14:29 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: [Talk-it] attraversamento pedonale tramvia Pensavo di aggiungere una way che colleghi le 2 way via cucchiari (4681905 e 16440725) con highway=crossing crossing=uncontrolled Io in questi casi metto highway=path, e highway=crossing solo sul nodo di intersezione (secondo il wiki crossing si applica solo ai nodi). Il nome non glielo metterei. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] attraversamento pedonale tramvia
Il 06/18/2012 05:14 PM, Alberto Nogaro scrisse: Io in questi casi metto highway=path, e highway=crossing solo sul nodo di intersezione (secondo il wiki crossing si applica solo ai nodi). Il nome non glielo metterei. Mi era sfuggito che si applica solo ai nodi. Non e' piu' adatto highway=footway? path fa pensare ad un sentiero piuttosto che ad una via per pedoni in citta'. grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
Sovrapposizione di parte di un lato di una piazza e di una way. Un lato di Piazza San Carlo e' stato tracciato sovrapponendolo alla way di Corso Vittorio Emanuele. E' corretto? id:23227671 id:23227576 grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
pista ciclabile di via Ancona [1] La strada e' caratterizzata da una parte a senso unico per tutti i veicoli e da una corsia separata per le bici in senso opposto. Ecco i tag delle 2 way. tutti i veicoli 152000343 highway = residential oneway = -1 name=Via Ancona ciclabile 152008946 highway = cycleway cycleway = opposite_lane oneway = -1 name=Via Ancona Mi pareva che cycleway = opposite_lane si potesse usare quando il tag highway e' diverso da cycleway. Cosi' mi pare sia inutile. Se si tratta di una ciclabile monodirezionale dovrebbe bastare oneway=yes. Cosa ne dite? grazie maxx [1] http://maps.google.it/maps?q=via+ancona,+Milanohl=itll=45.47396,9.188006spn=0.000918,0.00239sll=45.46524,9.193054sspn=0.000926,0.00239hnear=Via+Ancona,+20121+Milano,+Lombardiat=mz=19layer=ccbll=45.47396,9.188006panoid=-Dl-VTn-5jg06bv2gSSE3Acbp=12,266.9,,1,-2.78 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi
-Original Message- From: emmexx [mailto:emm...@tiscalinet.it] Sent: lunedì 18 giugno 2012 22:27 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] vie milanesi con tag errati o dubbi Mi pareva che cycleway = opposite_lane si potesse usare quando il tag highway e' diverso da cycleway. Cosi' mi pare sia inutile. Se si tratta di una ciclabile monodirezionale dovrebbe bastare oneway=yes. +1 Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Nomi dei Comuni nelle relazioni con piccole differenze rispetto a quelli ISTAT
Posso confermare che noi abitanti diciamo Reggio Emilia, ma da qualche anno a questa parte il comune sta cambiando anche tutti i suoi loghi ufficiali scrivendo più correttamente Reggio nell'Emilia, che per inciso era già la dicitura di molti cartelli. Lorenzo Il giorno 15/giu/2012 14:29, Luca Wehrstedt luca.wehrst...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2012/6/13 Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com n 69300019 name=Reggio nell'Emilia, place=city r 43415 name=Reggio Nell'emilia, admin_level=8 (tanti nomi importati hanno errori di maiuscole/minuscole) r 42965 name=Reggio Emilia, admin_level=6 Questi nomi sono corretti (a meno di maiuscole/minuscole): la provincia è Provincia di Reggio Emilia [1] (senza preposizione) mentre il comune è Comune di Reggio nell'Emilia [2] (con la proposizione). Poi, in realtà, spesso si usa Reggio Emilia anche per indicare il comune, ma questo andrebbe segnalato come alt_name o qualcosa del genere... [1] http://www.provincia.re.it/ [2] http://www.municipio.re.it/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-co] MEDELLIN zona no dibujada con imagen nueva
esta zona no esta dibujada en Medellin, con la imagen satelital nueva http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=6.19844lon=-75.59326zoom=17layers=M tambien hay algunas vias nuevas (puentes) que aparecen en la imagen y no estan en el mapa harrierco ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
[Talk-dk] OpenArchitectureMap?
Hej, som arkitekturinteresseret er jeg begyndt at tagge architect= og start_date= på div. bygninger i Kbh-området. I den forbindelse tænker jeg at det kunne være interessant med et osm-baseret åbent arkitektur-kort i stil med www.openlinkmap.orghttp://www.openlinkmap.org Den kunne fx vise: Architect: Start_date: + evt. link til wikipedia-opslag om arkitekt + bygning. en søgefunktion ville også være nyttig. jeg har ikke kunnet finde et sådan kort, men er lidt nysgerrig over hvor svært det ville være at lave? /Andreas ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] OpenArchitectureMap?
Hej Andreas Openlinkmap skriver at man godt til mindre projekter må lave forespørgsler på deres API og så kan du få en JSON,CSV etc. fil retur. Denne fil kan du så bruge til at lave et lag popup vinduer med fx Javascriptbibliotekerne Openlayers, Leaflet eller JQuery Geo og så henover fz Mapquest, Stamen Toner tiles, cyclemap o.lign. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenLinkMap Alt koden til Openlinkmap kan også hentes på Github, hvis man har mod på at lave det hele selv vh Søren Johannessen 2012/6/18 Andreas Hammershøj a...@dcf.dk: Hej, som arkitekturinteresseret er jeg begyndt at tagge ”architect=” og ”start_date=” på div. bygninger i Kbh-området. I den forbindelse tænker jeg at det kunne være interessant med et osm-baseret åbent arkitektur-kort i stil med www.openlinkmap.org Den kunne fx vise: Architect: Start_date: + evt. link til wikipedia-opslag om arkitekt + bygning. en søgefunktion ville også være nyttig. jeg har ikke kunnet finde et sådan kort, men er lidt nysgerrig over hvor svært det ville være at lave? /Andreas ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] National Memorial Arboretum this Saturday
We have a micro mapping party proposed for this Saturday to the National Memorial Arboretum [1] at Alrewas, Staffs [2]. I'm now available so will be able to make it and I'll do a little planning this week to smooth the day. It would be handy to get an idea of numbers who are planning to come along so if you can respond to the list that would be great. The NMA is a sobering place to visit so don't be surprised if you spend more time reading the memorial details than mapping if you havent been before. At 150 acres the site is far bigger than you can individually get around in one day and see everything. The NMA has its own map which they sell for £3 together with a detailed guidebook for £6.50. They also have a simple 3D map on their website [3]. Our plan is to improve our own detail and get as many of the memorials on OpenStreetMap as possible (there are hundreds!) Entrance to the NMA is Free (they encourage donation) and car parking is £3 Pay and Display. Alternatively you can cycle to it by taking Route 54 from Lichfield/Burton [4] and looking out for the signs to the Arboretum through Alrewas or Fradley. Suggest you plan the route first as the Sustrans cycle signs are not that easy to spot. The quiet route signed is through Fradley. Note there is no access from Alrewas directly to Croxall Road, you have to use the main Burton Road (A513) instead. There is a visitor café/restaurant on site which is where I suggest we meet at 10am (they open at 9) and also would be the logical place for lunch unless you bring your own sandwiches. Note that the site is quite exposed and can be bracing when windy so be prepared for the weather on the day. Cheers Andy [1] http://www.thenma.org.uk/ [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72855lon=-1.7266zoom=16layers=M [3] http://www.thenma.org.uk/the-nma/map/map-of-the-arboretum/ [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72986lon=-1.73671zoom=15layers=C ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] National Memorial Arboretum this Saturday
On 18 June 2012 10:31, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: We have a micro mapping party proposed for this Saturday to the National Memorial Arboretum [1] at Alrewas, Staffs [2]. Our plan is to improve our own detail and get as many of the memorials on OpenStreetMap as possible (there are hundreds!) Sadly, I don't think I can make it due to a prior commitment, but I'd been planning to go there and do some mapping of memorials, as follow-up to an event I was at last weekend: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_I/World_War_I_Editathon which was part of a larger activity, improving coverage of WWI on Wikipedia in the run-up to the 100th anniversary commemorations. May I urge those of you who can attend to please consider taking and uploading pictures to Wikimedia Commons, to supplement those already available there: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:National_Memorial_Arboretum and including Wikipedia links in OSM, per: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikipedia and its talk page discussion on related articles: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:wikipedia The main English Wikipedia article on the NMA is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Memorial_Arboretum I'm sure you'll find it fascinating place to visit. You my also like to note the adjacent River Tame/ Trent confluence. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] National Memorial Arboretum this Saturday
As I live in Lichfield I was hoping to attend but now can't. However, in the interests of boosting interest in and membership of OSM/Mappa Mercia would it be useful for me to post something on my hyperlocal site, Lichfield Live http://lichfieldlive.co.uk inviting people to join in? Phil On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: We have a micro mapping party proposed for this Saturday to the National Memorial Arboretum [1] at Alrewas, Staffs [2]. I'm now available so will be able to make it and I'll do a little planning this week to smooth the day. It would be handy to get an idea of numbers who are planning to come along so if you can respond to the list that would be great. The NMA is a sobering place to visit so don't be surprised if you spend more time reading the memorial details than mapping if you haven’t been before. At 150 acres the site is far bigger than you can individually get around in one day and see everything. The NMA has its own map which they sell for £3 together with a detailed guidebook for £6.50. They also have a simple 3D map on their website [3]. Our plan is to improve our own detail and get as many of the memorials on OpenStreetMap as possible (there are hundreds!) Entrance to the NMA is Free (they encourage donation) and car parking is £3 Pay and Display. Alternatively you can cycle to it by taking Route 54 from Lichfield/Burton [4] and looking out for the signs to the Arboretum through Alrewas or Fradley. Suggest you plan the route first as the Sustrans cycle signs are not that easy to spot. The quiet route signed is through Fradley. Note there is no access from Alrewas directly to Croxall Road, you have to use the main Burton Road (A513) instead. There is a visitor café/restaurant on site which is where I suggest we meet at 10am (they open at 9) and also would be the logical place for lunch unless you bring your own sandwiches. Note that the site is quite exposed and can be bracing when windy so be prepared for the weather on the day. Cheers Andy [1] http://www.thenma.org.uk/ [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72855lon=-1.7266zoom=16layers=M [3] http://www.thenma.org.uk/the-nma/map/map-of-the-arboretum/ [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72986lon=-1.73671zoom=15layers=C ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-es] Viario municipal
Hola, podríamos normalizar bien según número de carriles, medianas, etc, el tipo de vía dentro de población, ya que dejar a nuestras manos decidir si es importante o no siempre es muy relativo por ejemplo, vías de tres carriles por sentido, highway=primary vías de dos carriles por sentido, highway=secundary vías de menos importancia que no sean residential, highway=terciary qué os parece?? Saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Viario municipal
Hola, Yo creo que es más interesante que este taggeado por los mapeadores locales como mejor les parezca ya que ellos saben que calles son importante y cuales no, ya que una calle muy ancha de tres carriles no tiene porque ser una vía importante de la ciudad, mientras que otras carreteras de un carril para cada sentido, pueden ser la carretera principal de acceso a una localidad. Además, para indicar número de carriles ya esta lanes=* Como ves puede depender del tamaño de la ciudad y de como esté organizada. Un saludo! 2012/6/18 Ricardo Sanz ricardosanz1...@gmail.com: Hola, podríamos normalizar bien según número de carriles, medianas, etc, el tipo de vía dentro de población, ya que dejar a nuestras manos decidir si es importante o no siempre es muy relativo por ejemplo, vías de tres carriles por sentido, highway=primary vías de dos carriles por sentido, highway=secundary vías de menos importancia que no sean residential, highway=terciary qué os parece?? Saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Atentamente, Suárez ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Viario municipal
El día 18 de junio de 2012 11:43, Ricardo Sanz ricardosanz1...@gmail.com escribió: Hola, podríamos normalizar bien según número de carriles, medianas, etc, el tipo de vía dentro de población, ya que dejar a nuestras manos decidir si es importante o no siempre es muy relativo Hola, Ricardo, ¿Estás pensando en algún ejemplo en concreto de algún conflicto que hayas tenido por este tema? ¿Dudas sobre cómo taguear alguna localidad en particular? -- Jaime Crespo ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Viario municipal
Si, pero hay muchos usuarios en la misma zona q pueden pensar de diferente manera. Ademas, lanes en los gps no sirve de nada , pero a la hora de calcular el tiempo de viaje es mejor primary q terciary Ricardo Sanz Moreno El 18/06/2012, a las 15:22, Alejandro S. alejandro...@gmail.com escribió: Hola, Yo creo que es más interesante que este taggeado por los mapeadores locales como mejor les parezca ya que ellos saben que calles son importante y cuales no, ya que una calle muy ancha de tres carriles no tiene porque ser una vía importante de la ciudad, mientras que otras carreteras de un carril para cada sentido, pueden ser la carretera principal de acceso a una localidad. Además, para indicar número de carriles ya esta lanes=* Como ves puede depender del tamaño de la ciudad y de como esté organizada. Un saludo! 2012/6/18 Ricardo Sanz ricardosanz1...@gmail.com: Hola, podríamos normalizar bien según número de carriles, medianas, etc, el tipo de vía dentro de población, ya que dejar a nuestras manos decidir si es importante o no siempre es muy relativo por ejemplo, vías de tres carriles por sentido, highway=primary vías de dos carriles por sentido, highway=secundary vías de menos importancia que no sean residential, highway=terciary qué os parece?? Saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Atentamente, Suárez ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Viario municipal
No es nada en concreto. Es k veo muchas ciudades y localidades y hay algunas que solo tienen residential. Otras solo terciary y asi sucesivamente. Estan un poco cada una de su padre y de su madre. Lo suyo seria normalizar pero no por la importancia que creamos, sino por velocidad de la via a la hora de calcular rutas tambien. Y eso esta claro que se va a mas velocidad por una via de 2 ó 3 carriles que por una de 1 por sentido Ricardo Sanz Moreno El 18/06/2012, a las 15:33, Jaime Crespo jy...@jynus.com escribió: El día 18 de junio de 2012 11:43, Ricardo Sanz ricardosanz1...@gmail.com escribió: Hola, podríamos normalizar bien según número de carriles, medianas, etc, el tipo de vía dentro de población, ya que dejar a nuestras manos decidir si es importante o no siempre es muy relativo Hola, Ricardo, ¿Estás pensando en algún ejemplo en concreto de algún conflicto que hayas tenido por este tema? ¿Dudas sobre cómo taguear alguna localidad en particular? -- Jaime Crespo ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Viario municipal
En salamanca que es donde yo me muevo con ese merodo mal iriamos. Hay calles con 3 carriles por sentido que no vas a pasar en la vida y entradas a al ciudad con un carril por sentido. Y seguro que esto pasa en muchos otros sitios. No se donde estaba pero en la wiki habia una organizacion para esto. Algo relativa pero esque en este caso no se puede poner nada fijo. El lunes, 18 de junio de 2012, Ricardo escribió: Si, pero hay muchos usuarios en la misma zona q pueden pensar de diferente manera. Ademas, lanes en los gps no sirve de nada , pero a la hora de calcular el tiempo de viaje es mejor primary q terciary Ricardo Sanz Moreno El 18/06/2012, a las 15:22, Alejandro S. alejandro...@gmail.comjavascript:; escribió: Hola, Yo creo que es más interesante que este taggeado por los mapeadores locales como mejor les parezca ya que ellos saben que calles son importante y cuales no, ya que una calle muy ancha de tres carriles no tiene porque ser una vía importante de la ciudad, mientras que otras carreteras de un carril para cada sentido, pueden ser la carretera principal de acceso a una localidad. Además, para indicar número de carriles ya esta lanes=* Como ves puede depender del tamaño de la ciudad y de como esté organizada. Un saludo! 2012/6/18 Ricardo Sanz ricardosanz1...@gmail.com javascript:;: Hola, podríamos normalizar bien según número de carriles, medianas, etc, el tipo de vía dentro de población, ya que dejar a nuestras manos decidir si es importante o no siempre es muy relativo por ejemplo, vías de tres carriles por sentido, highway=primary vías de dos carriles por sentido, highway=secundary vías de menos importancia que no sean residential, highway=terciary qué os parece?? Saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org javascript:; http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Atentamente, Suárez ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org javascript:; http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org javascript:; http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso - Sanchi Blog http://blog.jorgesanzs.com/ ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Viario municipal
El día 18 de junio de 2012 15:38, Ricardo ricardosanz1...@gmail.com escribió: No es nada en concreto. Es k veo muchas ciudades y localidades y hay algunas que solo tienen residential. Otras solo terciary y asi sucesivamente. Estan un poco cada una de su padre y de su madre. Lo suyo seria normalizar pero no por la importancia que creamos, sino por velocidad de la via a la hora de calcular rutas tambien. Y eso esta claro que se va a mas velocidad por una via de 2 ó 3 carriles que por una de 1 por sentido Si no has tenido ningún conflicto con ningún usuario, entonces no te preocupes mucho. Tu idea de velocidad es más o menos correcta, pero ten en cuenta que no sólo depende del número de carriles, sino de la cantidad de tráfico que soporta. Piensa que en cada ciudad puede ser distinta, y sólo la conoce la gente que vive allí (preferimos la avenida central pese a tener mucho tráfico?). Por eso no normalizaría por lanes. Yo lo que he hecho es poner un listado de primary/secondary/etc. en una página wiki para justificar esas decisiones. -- Jaime Crespo ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Viario municipal
Hola, sobre el tipo de vía es bastante relativo. En mi ciudad Santiago de Compostela hay carreteras nacionales con muy poco trafico , secundarias con bastante tráfico. Y ambas tienen una autovía paralela , con lo que la regla es un poco relativo. O carreteras que es la única alternativa pasa por residencial, vehículos de alto tonelaje . Saludos El 18/06/2012 11:44, Ricardo Sanz ricardosanz1...@gmail.com escribió: Hola, podríamos normalizar bien según número de carriles, medianas, etc, el tipo de vía dentro de población, ya que dejar a nuestras manos decidir si es importante o no siempre es muy relativo por ejemplo, vías de tres carriles por sentido, highway=primary vías de dos carriles por sentido, highway=secundary vías de menos importancia que no sean residential, highway=terciary qué os parece?? Saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-at] OSM Stammtisch - Wr. Neustadt
Auch in Wr. Neustadt steht der nächste Stammtisch wieder vor der Tür. Termin: Donnerstag 21. Juni, 18 Uhr Details: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiener_Neustadt/Stammtisch Ich freu mich auf euer kommen! LG Thomas (Soldier Boy) ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-at] LUGT/OSM-Stammtisch am 21. Juni 2012
Servus! Wir möchten zum nächsten gemeinsamen LUGT-/OSM-Stammtisch einladen/erinnern: am Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2012 um 19:00 Uhr im Restaurant Kastanie Innsbrucker Straße 4, 6176 Völs Wir freuen uns auf ein zahlreiches Erscheinen! Bitte hilf auch gleich mit, den Termin für Juli 2012 zu finden: http://www.doodle.com/8fwm8venpt26awht Die Einladung ist wie immer auch im OSM-Wiki zu finden: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Innsbruck/Stammtisch Grüße Simon ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-ca] Forcer rafraichissement de OpenCycleMap.org
Bonjour, Dans la région suivante: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.5146944522858layers=Clon=-73.2836151123047zoom=14 nous sommes 2 contributeurs à avoir mis à jour les pistes cyclables vers la mi-avril. Depuis tout ce temps le rendu OpenCycleMap n’a pas été rafraichi alors qu’ailleurs (sur OpenCycleMap.org et dans d’autres rendus) ça fonctionne. Je suppose donc que OpenCycleMap.org a échappé des modifications. J’aimerais forcer le rafraichissement de cette zone de OpenCycleMap.org. Pour tester j’ai effacé un attribut d’un petit chemin dans un changeset et l’ai replacé dans un autre. Quelques jours après le rendu commence à se rafraichir pour les tuiles en question. Je sais que ce n’est pas très orthodoxe mais existe-t-il une autre façon de faire? J’ai essayé de joindre Andy Allan et de poser un problème sur le site de soutien: https://getsatisfaction.com/opencyclemap/topics/opencyclemap_org_not_refresh_for_months sans succès. Y a-t-il des objections à ce que je fasse des changesets bidon juste pour forcer le rafraichissement d’un seul rendu? Merci___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Forcer rafraichissement de OpenCycleMap.org
J'ai finalement eu une réponse de Andy Allan sur getsatisfaction.com/opencyclemap qui me répond d'être patient... Claude From: alouette...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:59 AM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Forcer rafraichissement de OpenCycleMap.org Bonjour, Dans la région suivante: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.5146944522858layers=Clon=-73.2836151123047zoom=14 nous sommes 2 contributeurs à avoir mis à jour les pistes cyclables vers la mi-avril. Depuis tout ce temps le rendu OpenCycleMap n’a pas été rafraichi alors qu’ailleurs (sur OpenCycleMap.org et dans d’autres rendus) ça fonctionne. Je suppose donc que OpenCycleMap.org a échappé des modifications. J’aimerais forcer le rafraichissement de cette zone de OpenCycleMap.org. Pour tester j’ai effacé un attribut d’un petit chemin dans un changeset et l’ai replacé dans un autre. Quelques jours après le rendu commence à se rafraichir pour les tuiles en question. Je sais que ce n’est pas très orthodoxe mais existe-t-il une autre façon de faire? J’ai essayé de joindre Andy Allan et de poser un problème sur le site de soutien: https://getsatisfaction.com/opencyclemap/topics/opencyclemap_org_not_refresh_for_months sans succès. Y a-t-il des objections à ce que je fasse des changesets bidon juste pour forcer le rafraichissement d’un seul rendu? Merci ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-cz] Stahovací služby pro INSPIRE téma Katastrální parcely
Dobrý den, a díky - už to funguje. RT 2012/6/14 JV j@seznam.cz Dobrý den, je to opravené, můžete zkouošet. J. Veselý Dne 8.6.2012 14:17, Roman napsal(a): Dobrý den, měl bych 2 dotazy: 1) podle standardu WFS 2.0 by GetCapabilities měly pracovat s parametrem AcceptVersions, a ne version (viz standard - Table 12 na straně 50). version by se měl používat pro All operations (except GetCapabilities). Díky tomu se mi zatím z WFS nepodařilo nic zobrazit. ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
[OSM-talk-fr] Grands boulevards parisiens, mise en double sens
Ce soir, à minuit, pour la première tranche... http://www.paris.fr/pratique/deplacements-voirie/amenagements-de-paris-concertations/grands-boulevards-en-double-sens-reunion-de-restitution-de-la-concertation-le-11-juillet/rub_1004_stand_103195_port_2489 Du monde pour faire la modification ? :) Erik ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Contacter les nouveaux contributeurs pour mieux les accompagner et les accueillir
Pas besoin de scripts compliqués. Pour détecter les nouveaux j'utilise simplement OSM Inspector: ( http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routing ) .Et oui je les dirige vers JOSM vu les ravages causés par Potlatch qui n’est manifestement pas aisé à prendre en main à en juger par le nombre de routes superposées ou non connectées créés par les débutants. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suppression des GR dans OSM
Je crois que là Éric a marqué un point. On ne touche donc à rien? Romain Le 16 juin 2012 22:59, Eric SIBERT courr...@eric.sibert.fr a écrit : Impossible. Dire en cas de doute, on attend est opposée à l'attitude adoptée par la communauté sur le plan international qui a toujours été en cas de doute, on supprime. Je ne suis pas d'accord avec cette interprétation. C'est quand on n'est pas sûr de la source des données qu'on doit supprimer. Et c'est le seul cas. Cartographes Associés est un exemple de données à l'origine incertaine. S'agissant des GR, c'est l'observation sur le terrain. Une source tout ce qu'il y a plus sûr. Après, la question est de reporter dans la base des informations du domaine public et de les publier. C'est la même question qui s'est posé pour les installations militaires russes. J'ai retrouvé la discussion dans les archives. Ça commence là : http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/talk/2010-April/**049451.htmlhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-April/049451.html Leur problème était qu'en Russie, il est interdit de relever et de publier des informations sur les installations militaires. Certains voulaient supprimer ou modifier les informations sur ces installations dans la base de données OSM. Les réponses sont : - Si c'est illégale en Russie de relever les installations militaires, ceux qui résident en Russie ne doivent pas le faire. - Si c'est illégale en Russie de publier des cartes montrant des installations militaires, alors, ils doivent faire leurs propres rendus (et extract) sans ces installations. - Supprimer de telles informations, qui sont justes, est considéré comme du vandalisme (http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/talk/2010-May/**049931.htmlhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-May/049931.html ) De plus, je maintiens qu'on fait courir un risque juridique à tous ceux qui veulent adopter OSM Je ne vois pas où est-ce qu'il y a plus de risques qu'ailleurs. Celui qui publie un site web sur les GR, avec ou sans OSM prend un risque. Comme tous ceux qui utilisent les numéros d'adresse, ce qui ne semble pas poser de problème : http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/talk/2010-April/**049463.htmlhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-April/049463.html en particulier en France, ceux qui penseront pouvoir afficher ces données-là dans leurs applis commerciales. Soit la FFRP n'attaque que les sites centrés sur les GR. Et ceux-là n'avaient qu'à se renseigner avant. Nul n'est sensé ignorer la loi. Soit la FFRP attaque tous les site où traine un bout de GR. Alors, il faudra trouver une structure pour mettre en place des rendus spéciaux France sans les GR et tout ce qui tourne autour (comme ça a été suggéré aux Russes). (et on nous attaque suffisament sur notre modèle ouvert mais peu rigoureux) Notre modèle sur les sources de données est très rigoureux. Je le maintiens. Éric ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-frhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Hortillonages à Amiens: travail de reperage
Salut, J'ai visité ce WE les Hortillongaes à Amiens. Vraiment magnifique. Un marais avec des canaux en pleine ville. Belle promenade en barque. Mais encore beaucoup de travail pour OSM. Difficile de dire ou commence l'eau et ou est la terre. Petits jardins et terrains de maraîchages. Canaux qui manquent, landuse vides etc. http://osm.org/go/0BbdPkG~ cantece -- -- Dr.-Ing. Hans-Christian Bohlmann 94 avenue Victor Cresson 92130 Issy-les-Moulineaux tel: +33 (0)9.51.43.28.43 mob.: +33 (0)6.84.32.77.49 Skype: cantece cant...@web.de ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suppression des GR dans OSM
2012/6/18 Romain MEHUT romain.me...@gmail.com: Je crois que là Éric a marqué un point. On ne touche donc à rien? A ce que je sache, la protection des marques et droits d'auteurs fonctionne très bien entre la France et l'Angleterre. Et dire que de toute façon, la base se situe là-bas et qu'il faut attendre le premier procès de la FFRP avant de réagir n'est pas du tout dans les habitudes d'OSM. On ne doit pas avoir la même définition du mot rigeur. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cartopartie à Saint-Denis (93) samedi 16 juin - 14h (aujourd'hui)
Et voilà le travail: http://freeroute.fr/update/saint-denis.htm Merci à Marc pour cet outil de visualisation des modifications apportées ! https://twitter.com/cq94/status/214615832490283008/photo/1 Une cartopartie un peu humide mais très sympathique. Promis on reviendra montrer le résultat et pour manipuler les outils d'édition, ce qu'on l'on a bien sûr pas eu le temps de faire en 3h. Le 16 juin 2012 09:13, Marc Sibert m...@sibert.fr a écrit : Bonjour, Je vous rappelle, si vous ne l'avez pas vu sur le site web de l'association OpenStreetMap France ( http://www.openstreetmap.fr/cartopartie%20%C3%A0%20Saint-Denis%20%2893%29) qu'une Cartopartie est organisée ce samedi à Saint-Denis, dans la Quartier du Franc-Moisin. Que vous soyez contributeur confirmé pour aider ou débutant pour apprendre et se rencontrer, vous serez tous bienvenus. N'hésitez pas à nous rejoindre au 111, rue Daniel Casanova, Saint-Denis. A cet après-midi 14h. -- Marc Sibert m...@sibert.fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] [event] SophiaConf2012 - OpenData et OpenStreetMap - 2 au 4 juillet 2012
Le programme: http://www.telecom-valley.fr/pagecmsblog/programme-1 -- Cyrille. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Demande d'aide pour bâtiments d'une commune (cadastre)
Bonjour, Je relaye ici une demande postée sur le forum d'OSM: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=17058 Le petit village touristique de Lassay-les-Châteaux ne dispose pas de plan digne de ce nom, juste un plan pas terrible fait à main levé. Je me disais que l'Office de tourism serait très heureux d'avoir une véritable carte de la commune. Je ne sais pas ajouter les batiments grâce au cadastre, il parrait que ça prend peu de temps. Quelqu'un pourrait-il s'en charger ? Je peux facilement repasser derrière pour corriger ou compléter. Merci beaucoup du coup de main ;-) J'ai vérifié le format de la commune et elle est bien en vectoriel. Ceux que ça intéresse peuvent directement répondre sur le forum ou je répercuterai moi-même. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Grands boulevards parisiens, mise en double sens
Contrôle sur le terrain lors d'un prochain passage à La Cantine ! Le 18 juin 2012 09:12, Erik Amzallag amzallag.e...@gmail.com a écrit : Ce soir, à minuit, pour la première tranche... http://www.paris.fr/pratique/deplacements-voirie/amenagements-de-paris-concertations/grands-boulevards-en-double-sens-reunion-de-restitution-de-la-concertation-le-11-juillet/rub_1004_stand_103195_port_2489 Du monde pour faire la modification ? :) Erik ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Demande d'aide pour bâtiments d'une commune (cadastre)
Je m'en charge Le 18 juin 2012 11:13, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, Je relaye ici une demande postée sur le forum d'OSM: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=17058 Le petit village touristique de Lassay-les-Châteaux ne dispose pas de plan digne de ce nom, juste un plan pas terrible fait à main levé. Je me disais que l'Office de tourism serait très heureux d'avoir une véritable carte de la commune. Je ne sais pas ajouter les batiments grâce au cadastre, il parrait que ça prend peu de temps. Quelqu'un pourrait-il s'en charger ? Je peux facilement repasser derrière pour corriger ou compléter. Merci beaucoup du coup de main ;-) J'ai vérifié le format de la commune et elle est bien en vectoriel. Ceux que ça intéresse peuvent directement répondre sur le forum ou je répercuterai moi-même. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suppression des GR dans OSM
Le 18 juin 2012 10:22, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit : A ce que je sache, la protection des marques et droits d'auteurs fonctionne très bien entre la France et l'Angleterre. Et dire que de toute façon, la base se situe là-bas et qu'il faut attendre le premier procès de la FFRP avant de réagir n'est pas du tout dans les habitudes d'OSM. On ne doit pas avoir la même définition du mot rigeur. Je ne suis pas contre supprimer les mentions des GR mais je trouverais dommage que cela concerne également les relations. Romain ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Stats de migration ODbL mises à jour...
Le 16 juin 2012 07:54, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : Simon Poole a mis à jour les statistiques ODbL par pays sur son site http://odbl.poole.ch/ à partir du full planet du 1er juin. Pour la France, on est dans les 99.9% de données en ODbL. Champagne ! ;-P -- Cyrille. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Profondeur des cours d'eau navigables (était Hortillonages à Amiens: travail de reperage)
Bonjour, Une idée qui me passe par l'esprit à propos de où commence l'eau et où est la terre : c'est un peu comme les côtes subissant les marées en fait. Je pensais, pour les canaux, qui sont surtout dédiés aux déplacements de bateaux de toutes sortes, que l'information de profondeur des cours d'eau n'est jamais retranscrite. Je ne sais pas si c'est envisageable, mais savoir qu'il y a un banc de sable peu profond à tel endroit ou que la limite eau/terre est vague parce que la pente est douce, ce sont des informations utiles sur une carte de navigation fluviale. Après, s'il est vrai que le niveau d'eau peut varier selon l'heure de la journée ou selon la saison, l'un des éléments qui ne change que très peu est l'altitude du fond marin/fluvial/etc., au cas où ça pourrait être une piste à suivre... Vos avis sur ces questions ? Teuxe - Mail Original - De: Hans-Christian Bohlmann cant...@web.de À: Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Lundi 18 Juin 2012 09h39:50 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: [OSM-talk-fr] Hortillonages à Amiens: travail de reperage Salut, J'ai visité ce WE les Hortillongaes à Amiens. Vraiment magnifique. Un marais avec des canaux en pleine ville. Belle promenade en barque. Mais encore beaucoup de travail pour OSM. Difficile de dire ou commence l'eau et ou est la terre. Petits jardins et terrains de maraîchages. Canaux qui manquent, landuse vides etc. http://osm.org/go/0BbdPkG~ cantece -- -- Dr.-Ing. Hans-Christian Bohlmann 94 avenue Victor Cresson 92130 Issy-les-Moulineaux tel: +33 (0)9.51.43.28.43 mob.: +33 (0)6.84.32.77.49 Skype: cantece cant...@web.de ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr]ceci est un test
Le message suivant de : ## merci d'ignorer ce test a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=6 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suppression des GR dans OSM
Le 15 juin 2012 à 15:49, Vincent Calame a écrit : [Apparté] À lire ce fil (fort intéressant par ailleurs car rien n'est n'est tout blanc out tout noir), on voit bien que la traduction de « way » par « chemin » est une source de confusion sans fin. Et si on traduisait « way » par tronçon, ce serait plus clair, non ? Ce qui donnerait la position suivante : « on retire la relation chemin et les attributs GR mais on garde les tronçons ». Quelqu'un, éventuellement philologue, pourrait-il m'expliquer par quelle aberration, on peut traduire way par chemin, alors qu'il s'agit, textuellement, d'une voie, terme générique qui couvre aussi bien les sentiers, les autoroutes, les rivières navigables et les montagnes russes? Toutes mes connaissances en linguistique, géographie, histoire et philologie, ne m'ont pas permis d'identifier la source du blocage. Christian___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suppression des GR dans OSM
Le 18/06/2012 11:25, Romain MEHUT a écrit : Le 18 juin 2012 10:22, Pieren pier...@gmail.com mailto:pier...@gmail.com a écrit : A ce que je sache, la protection des marques et droits d'auteurs fonctionne très bien entre la France et l'Angleterre. Et dire que de toute façon, la base se situe là-bas et qu'il faut attendre le premier procès de la FFRP avant de réagir n'est pas du tout dans les habitudes d'OSM. On ne doit pas avoir la même définition du mot rigeur. Je ne suis pas contre supprimer les mentions des GR mais je trouverais dommage que cela concerne également les relations. Romain Pourtant elles sont, elles-aussi, concernées par la propriété intellectuelle, * quelle que soit l'ambiguïté vis-à-vis des associations locales, mais ça n'est pas à OSM de statuer la-dessus, * quel que soit notre désapprobation ou rancoeur vis-à-vis de cette situation : on n'importe pas les données de l'IGN (sauf autorisation expresse : coastline, géodésique), malgré notre désaprobation du fonctionnement. Ce qui pourrait être envisagé, c'est de garder en privé une version des relations existantes, pour faciliter le ré-import, ou la restitution, lorsque la situation sera clarifiée. Si on réimporte, on perdra l'historique... Si on fait une restitution (genre revert) sur les identifiants de relation, l'historique sera préservé. -- FrViPofm ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Routes métropolitaines
Bonjour, Hier, en allant faire une balade dans la vallée de la Vésubie, j'ai été étonné de voir des bornes kilométriques bleues, comme celle-ci : http://bego.06.free.fr/2/public/Transports/signaletique_route_metropole.png Je ne sais pas s'il en a été question sur cette ML, mais, après quelques recherches sur le net, j'ai appris que la métropole niçoise est en train de renuméroter les routes dont elle a la charge. Je n'ai pas trouvé de document officiel donnant la liste de ces routes. J'ai donc renuméroté la D 2565 en M 2565, mais il reste beaucoup de boulot. Avis aux amateurs ! Blog à lire : http://bego.06.free.fr/2/index.php?post/2012/06/01/On-nous-fait-voir-que-du-bleu Jean-Claude ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[forum-osm-fr]cr�er mon propre serveur OSM
Le message suivant de : ## bonjour, Je suis en plein projet et je suis débutant en cartographie et mon travail c'est de créer notre propre serveur openstreetmap mais j'ai passé plusieurs jour a chercher mais a chaque fois il y'en a des pacquages manquantes , donc si vous avez une idée ou vous pouvez m'aider a réaliser ça . en fait j'ai arriver a trouver le lien suivant:http://geotribu.net/node/262 mais e pense qu'il lui manque les librairies c++ nécessaires pour un calcul d' iteneraire. est ce que ca est vrai si oui ou je peut trouver les librairies c++ ?? Merci!! a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=10 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr]Nouveau venu
Le message suivant de : ## Bonjour tout le monde. Très intéressé par le concept d'openstreetmap je rejoins votre forum pour y chercher des solutions techniques. J'espère pouvoir y apporter quelque chose bien sûr. Cordialement René a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=10 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suppression des GR dans OSM
Le 18/06/2012 13:30, Vincent Pottier a écrit : * quel que soit notre désapprobation ou rancœur vis-à-vis de cette situation : on n'importe pas les données de l'IGN (sauf autorisation expresse : coastline, géodésique), malgré notre désaprobation du fonctionnement. Je suis d'accord qu'on ne peut pas recopier les données présentes sur les cartes IGN ou sur les topo-guides FFR. Mais par contre, lorsqu'on fait des relevés de terrain, et que sur un panneau on lit GR5, pourquoi n'aurait-on pas le droit de rentrer cette information dans OSM ? Jean-Claude ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suppression des GR dans OSM
2012/6/18 Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com: Si on fait une restitution (genre revert) sur les identifiants de relation, l'historique sera préservé. Il suffirait de conserver les numéros de relations supprimées sur une page wiki dédiée. Celle-ci pourrait lister les itinéraires qu'on garde ou supprime et la justification. Celles qui restent devront pouvoir se justifier (historique, autorisation explicite en local ou national (NC)). Aucune de celles qui sont conservées ne devraient contenir les marques protégées (GR) sauf celle de Nouvelle Caledonie. Le jour où la FFRP change d'avis, on pourrait facilement rétablir les relations supprimées et leur historique. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Profondeur des cours d'eau navigables (était Hortillonages à Amiens: travail de reperage)
Le 18 juin 2012 11:39, te...@free.fr a écrit : Bonjour, Une idée qui me passe par l'esprit à propos de où commence l'eau et où est la terre : c'est un peu comme les côtes subissant les marées en fait. Je pensais, pour les canaux, qui sont surtout dédiés aux déplacements de bateaux de toutes sortes, que l'information de profondeur des cours d'eau n'est jamais retranscrite. Je ne sais pas si c'est envisageable, mais savoir qu'il y a un banc de sable peu profond à tel endroit ou que la limite eau/terre est vague parce que la pente est douce, ce sont des informations utiles sur une carte de navigation fluviale. Après, s'il est vrai que le niveau d'eau peut varier selon l'heure de la journée ou selon la saison, l'un des éléments qui ne change que très peu est l'altitude du fond marin/fluvial/etc., au cas où ça pourrait être une piste à suivre... Vos avis sur ces questions ? Teuxe Bonjour Le projet OpenSeaMap inclu des tags adaptés à ces données, et je crois qu'ils ont même des outils pour collecter automatiquement les informations issus des sondeurs des bateaux (standard NMEA). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Water_Depth Concernant le niveau de référence, en mer c'est le zéro des cartes la référence (basse mer de très grande marée). Pour les canaux c'est le le niveau de la surface de l'eau qui est fixé par les ouvrages (quand la pluviométrie est suffisante pour alimenter les biefs de partage). Tous les canaux de sont pas entretenus comme ils le devraient et s'envasent d'où les profondeurs très variables que l'on rencontre. Pour les voies navigables non canalisées, je sèche (!) un peu: on entend parler de cotes lors des inondations mais je ne sais pas à quoi elles se rapportent. Bruno ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
