Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

[John Smith]

--- On Mon, 17/8/09, BlueMM  wrote:
> A few questions:
> 1. I presume the addr:country=Australia is manditory for
> this to work, but
> :state optional? I could imagine only needing state for
> state specific
> sheilds (ie. nationally consistent ones wouldn't need
> state).

The states vary on different shields, not just state routes.



> 2. If a Route has the same ref/name for it's length, there
> doesn't seem to
> be any problem with having just one relation, combining the
> tags. I think
> this would make simple cases simple to map (always a good
> thing).

I haven't started work on state based highways, been working on highway 1 
mostly, and it changes names a fair bit, but I still think 2 relations would be 
better than lumping it together and for consistency with other highways.

> 3. I think you suggested if there is no underlying street
> name for a section
> of highway, copy/move the name from the relation to the
> way, is that right?

No, if there is no street name don't name the way, this way things will render 
better because you won't get highway names going round roundabouts and over 
bridges even though they are part of the same highway.

> I'd prefer the other way, where the name is stored in the
> relation so a lot
> of the ways would have no name (the validators/no-names
> maps would need to
> be updated to grab data from relations if they don't
> already do. I think
> this would be a nice clean solution, and matches the
> suggestion ages ago to
> put a street name in a relation when it is broken up by
> many residential
> roundabouts...

Exactly, and bridges, and not naming ways reduces the chance of error, and the 
ease to fix up errors, and reduces a lot of redundancy because the same name 
doesn't have to be added to 100s of ways.


  

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Re: [talk-au] Hi, a noob starts some mapping.

[Ross Scanlon]

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:29:46 + (GMT)
John Smith  wrote:

> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 17/8/09, Ross Scanlon  wrote:
> 
> > If there was no u-turn permitted then you would have to use
> > a relation to indicate that.
> 
> That's what I was talking about :)

Yes but some do it for oneway turns as well and it's not always necessary.

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Re: [talk-au] maps.bigtincan.com

[John Smith]

--- On Mon, 17/8/09, Ross Scanlon  wrote:

> Is this still working?
> 
> I get "connection refused when attempting to contact ..."
> errors.
> 
> When I attempt to connect to maps.bigtincan.com or
> maps.bigtincan.com/tagwatch/

Unfortunately it's down at the moment, we had to restart it last night and it 
got itself into an endless boot loop, this was about midnight so the system was 
dragged into the office where it should be fixed soon I hope and put back into 
the colo facility.


  

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Re: [talk-au] Hi, a noob starts some mapping.

[John Smith]

--- On Mon, 17/8/09, Ross Scanlon  wrote:

> If there was no u-turn permitted then you would have to use
> a relation to indicate that.

That's what I was talking about :)


  

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Re: [talk-au] More hi-res sat imagery

[John Smith]

--- On Mon, 17/8/09, Ross Scanlon  wrote:

> Don't forget to georeference the imagery if you are going
> to trace items. 

I noticed some of the traces in the Nambour area weren't properly sourced, a 
fair bit has been redone from survey now as well, but I usually do. Also there 
is hi-res in Cairns area too, I've put links to the areas covering the hires 
imagery on the wiki page:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikiproject_Queensland#Yahoo.21_Aerial_imagery_coverage


  

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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

[BlueMM]

John Smith-129 wrote:
> 
> This is the current relation tags I've come up with based on the talk-us
> threads.
> 
> Ref Relation tags:
> 
> addr:country=Australia
> addr:state=QLD
> network=A
> ref=1
> route=road
> type=route
> 
> Name Relation tags:
> name=Bruce Highway
> route=road
> type=route
> 

Nice work John, looks great.

A few questions:
1. I presume the addr:country=Australia is manditory for this to work, but
:state optional? I could imagine only needing state for state specific
sheilds (ie. nationally consistent ones wouldn't need state).
2. If a Route has the same ref/name for it's length, there doesn't seem to
be any problem with having just one relation, combining the tags. I think
this would make simple cases simple to map (always a good thing).
3. I think you suggested if there is no underlying street name for a section
of highway, copy/move the name from the relation to the way, is that right?
I'd prefer the other way, where the name is stored in the relation so a lot
of the ways would have no name (the validators/no-names maps would need to
be updated to grab data from relations if they don't already do. I think
this would be a nice clean solution, and matches the suggestion ages ago to
put a street name in a relation when it is broken up by many residential
roundabouts...

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which has broken posting at the moment)
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[talk-au] maps.bigtincan.com

[Ross Scanlon]

Is this still working?

I get "connection refused when attempting to contact ..." errors.

When I attempt to connect to maps.bigtincan.com or maps.bigtincan.com/tagwatch/



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Re: [talk-au] More hi-res sat imagery

[Ross Scanlon]

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:06:28 + (GMT)
John Smith  wrote:

> I just noticed Rockhampton also has hi-res imagery available.
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Hi, a noob starts some mapping.

[Ross Scanlon]

> > that if the median break only allows turning into a road, no
> > U-turn or only turning from one direction that some kind of
> > relation needs to be constructed but relations are beyond me
> > for now. 
> 
> This would be a restriction relation, not just a tag, I've never tagged one 
> of these so I don't know the specifics but this is the wiki page about it:
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction
> 
Not always necessary.

Looking here:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-16.917127&lon=145.771595&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF

You will find an intersection with no restriction relations yet it routes and 
renders correctly.

You can not go straight across on Minnie Street but you can turn left from 
either Minnie St to Lake St or viceversa and turn right from Lake St into 
either side of Minnie St.

The section of Minnie St between the two sides of Lake St is not marked as 
oneway so becomes a two way section, which it is on the ground, as is the rest 
of the intersection.

Generally if you map it as it is on the ground, by using oneway=yes where 
required, it will work out like this.

Go to edit to see how the ways are tagged.

If there was no u-turn permitted then you would have to use a relation to 
indicate that.


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[talk-au] More hi-res sat imagery

[John Smith]

I just noticed Rockhampton also has hi-res imagery available.


  

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Re: [talk-au] Hi, a noob starts some mapping.

[John Smith]

--- On Mon, 17/8/09, Lindley Bowers  wrote:

> drlizau invited me to this mailing list, so I thought
> I'd say hi. I'm mapping under the name
> Brentyn.

Welcome to the list :)

> Since discovering both Trails and the gps on my
> iPhone, I thought I'd do a little mapping around the
> Toowoomba area near where I live. I've never had
> anything to do with mapping, gps or gis before so I'm a
> bit of a noob with it all. (So feel free to send any
> advice/corrections my way if I'm doing it all
> wrong).

This isn't a criticism just something I think you should be aware of, the GPS 
chip in iPhone's doesn't seem to be the best, it jumps all over the place if 
you don't have a clear view of the sky.

> Anyway I've been having fun discovering the rich
> diversity of houses and scenic routes in our area. But the
> best part is just cruising around in the car with my 11-yo
> son who's getting quite good at writing down street
> names now. :)

Get 'em hooked while they're young :D

> So far I mapped Meringandan and Meringandan West, 1/3
> of Highfields and a few blocks in West Toowoomba. I
> don't always get to grab the street names so sometimes I
> might just be adding in streets without their names.

This page on the wiki describes some tips when starting with a blank canvas so 
to speak:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Starting_with_a_Blank_Map

I've mapped out several rural towns from almost nothing, but because it was 
just me and because I wasn't looking to have an accident in traffic I haven't 
worked out a good way to quickly grab street names.

That said as long as you have a GPS trace someone without a GPS would still be 
able to enter the street names. Some state governments provide websites with 
street name lookups, although I don't think QLD is one of them.

> I'm guessing that roads or highways with a median strip
> need to be set up as two oneway ways so that routing
> understands where you can turn around. What I don't know

Yes

> is that when a turning opportunity comes up (either a break
> in the median strip or a road intersection) how you are
> meant to tag the little bit of road between the two ways?
> With the name of the main road, or the name of the
> intersecting side street? Any other tags as well? eg In

I usually tag them with the same information as the most important cross 
street, since that section of road is for the cross street(s).

> Toowoomba I split Taylor Street between Greenwattle and Tor
> Streets so that I could do the block on the south side
> correctly. However at the intersection of Taylor and
> McGregor you can cross over Taylor. How is the bit of road
> to be tagged? (I also added crossovers to Warrego Highway
> where Postmans Ridge Road joins up). I'm also guessing

You just join both sides of the cross street togeather and make sure you don't 
mark it as oneway=yes :)

> that if the median break only allows turning into a road, no
> U-turn or only turning from one direction that some kind of
> relation needs to be constructed but relations are beyond me
> for now. 

This would be a restriction relation, not just a tag, I've never tagged one of 
these so I don't know the specifics but this is the wiki page about it:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction

> One motivation for helping out with mapping is the
> number of times I've ended up in the middle of some poor
> farmer's paddock by trying to follow the directions from
> other various online maps. But the clincher for me was when
> I saw on more than one popular online map was falsely drawn
> a railway line up a very steep hill beside Hogg Street
> between Mort and Tor Streets in Toowoomba. Is it ironic that
> that is just beside the Baillie Henderson Hospital (a mental
> institution)?

You've been googled too! :)

I've been told to enter private property, go up trails in national parks, and 
any number of other bad routes. Happened to me so many times.

> Trails on the iPhone uses the maps from cloudmade ...
> but it seems to takes weeks for osm data to appear on their
> map. Is there a better iPhone app I should be using?

I don't know if the iPhone app caches, but OSM does, you can force it to 
refresh tiles however, either on a per image basis or by going to this site:

http://informationfreeway.org

It shows the zoom level on the bottom towards the left hand side, when that 
says z12 you can move your mouse over the map and press the 'r' key on your 
keyboard to get it to re-render tiles from zoom level 12 to 18.

> Anyway, I'm having fun and hope that I contribute
> more than I break as a noob.

There is an undo feature! Except I can never remember where to find it.


  

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Re: [talk-au] List of potential datasources

[John Smith]

--- On Mon, 17/8/09, Ben Kelley  wrote:

> I guess the problems with this would be:
> * Duplication with public toilets that are already marked

Only import toilets where there is no node=amenity within 250-500m, throw them 
into an exceptions file for manual inspection/verification/insertion.
 
> * The toilet map lists toilets that are semi-public. e.g.
> Inside shops. Normally I wouldn't bother to mark these
> on OSM.

I'd mark it as part of the shop, but not in and of itself.

> Thinking about it, if the search was improved for OSM a bit
> (i.e. faster) maybe OSM could tender to host toilet map. I
> guess our base street map coverage is a bit thin in rural
> areas for that, but just a thought.

A POI search in general would be good.


  

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[talk-au] Hi, a noob starts some mapping.

[Lindley Bowers]

Hello all,

drlizau invited me to this mailing list, so I thought I'd say hi. I'm
mapping under the name Brentyn.

Since discovering both Trails and the gps on my iPhone, I thought I'd do a
little mapping around the Toowoomba area near where I live. I've never had
anything to do with mapping, gps or gis before so I'm a bit of a noob with
it all. (So feel free to send any advice/corrections my way if I'm doing it
all wrong).

Anyway I've been having fun discovering the rich diversity of houses and
scenic routes in our area. But the best part is just cruising around in the
car with my 11-yo son who's getting quite good at writing down street names
now. :)

So far I mapped Meringandan and Meringandan West, 1/3 of Highfields and a
few blocks in West Toowoomba. I don't always get to grab the street names so
sometimes I might just be adding in streets without their names.

Just one question for now ... (I couldn't find the answer anywhere after
looking around for an hour or so). I'm guessing that roads or highways with
a median strip need to be set up as two oneway ways so that routing
understands where you can turn around. What I don't know is that when a
turning opportunity comes up (either a break in the median strip or a road
intersection) how you are meant to tag the little bit of road between the
two ways? With the name of the main road, or the name of the intersecting
side street? Any other tags as well? eg In Toowoomba I split Taylor Street
between Greenwattle and Tor Streets so that I could do the block on the
south side correctly. However at the intersection of Taylor and McGregor you
can cross over Taylor. How is the bit of road to be tagged? (I also added
crossovers to Warrego Highway where Postmans Ridge Road joins up). I'm also
guessing that if the median break only allows turning into a road, no U-turn
or only turning from one direction that some kind of relation needs to be
constructed but relations are beyond me for now.

One motivation for helping out with mapping is the number of times I've
ended up in the middle of some poor farmer's paddock by trying to follow the
directions from other various online maps. But the clincher for me was when
I saw on more than one popular online map was falsely drawn a railway line
up a very steep hill beside Hogg Street between Mort and Tor Streets in
Toowoomba. Is it ironic that that is just beside the Baillie Henderson
Hospital (a mental institution)?

Trails on the iPhone uses the maps from cloudmade ... but it seems to takes
weeks for osm data to appear on their map. Is there a better iPhone app I
should be using?

Anyway, I'm having fun and hope that I contribute more than I break as a
noob.

Cheers,
Brentyn.
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Re: [talk-au] List of potential datasources

[Ben Kelley]

Hi.

I was thinking the other day that maybe OSM could import the toilet map data
(if we had permission).

I guess the problems with this would be:
* Duplication with public toilets that are already marked
* The toilet map lists toilets that are semi-public. e.g. Inside shops.
Normally I wouldn't bother to mark these on OSM.

Thinking about it, if the search was improved for OSM a bit (i.e. faster)
maybe OSM could tender to host toilet map. I guess our base street map
coverage is a bit thin in rural areas for that, but just a thought.

2009/8/15 James Livingston 

>
> http://www.toiletmap.gov.au/
> Over 16k toilet POIs
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 26, Issue 49 - Routing problem

[Denise or Gavin]

 Okay,

So
I followed the instructions about contructing the GMAPSUPP.IMG file - no
problem.

On the gps I press the Find key and select Adresses, start entering in the
street name, which the unit finds and I select then scroll to the Enter City
box Enter and this brings up all the Cities - but just about all of them are
listed as being in VIC.
Have opened the same file in Mapedit and confirmed that that almost all of
the cities are listed as being in VIC.

Thanks
Gavin

>
> On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 09:20 +0700, Denise or Gavin wrote:
> I have downloaded the NSW routable map from
> http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php only to find most
> addresses in my GPS 6ocsx assigned the state of Vic - when they
> should be NSW.
> >
> > Any reason for this?
> >
> >
>
> I've just downloaded the routable dataset for NSW on my garmin
> unit (etrex vista HCx) and it works fine for me.
> Did you download
> http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute/AU/NSW_route.img.zip ?
>
> After you've downloaded this file, you can unzip it, then rename
> the file to: GMAPSUPP.IMG and place the file within the GARMIN
> folder on your garmin gps unit.  (You can combine multiple IMG
> files into one big IMG file using some other tools if need be).
> Once that's done, you should have a lot of the OSM details and
> roads on your garmin unit.
>
> What do you mean by "most addresses in my GPS 6ocsx assigned the
> state of Vic - when they should be NSW" ?
> Could you be more specific - what do you mean by addresses? -
> Road names? and how are they assigned the state?
>
> - Rhubarb
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:06:55 +1000
> From: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 26, Issue 48
> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I've had the same issue. When searching for cities or suburbs it will come
> up with results such as "Newcastle, VIC" "Newtown, VIC" etc.
>
> I just switched on my Legend HCx and did a search for nearest cities.
> Currently I'm in Lismore and despite most of the results being in NSW it
> still came up with:
>
> Bora Ridge, VIC 25.03km
> Rileys Hill, VIC 26.38km
> Swan Bay, VIC 28.71km
> *6 other results within 50km which are supposedly in Victoria*
>
> There's probably a consistent pattern in there somewhere, about 70% of the
> results are shown correctly to be in NSW.
>
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[talk-au] Townsville has hi-res sat imagery

[John Smith]

I just marked out the area around Townsville covered by hi-res sat imagery.


  

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Re: [talk-au] Search function on Garmin GPS units

[cam_daw]

Yes!  Indeed there is an issue with this.  I hadn't searched for
cities before on my Garmin unit :P
Ok, I havn't done that much of a comparison of OSM town name POI
tags, and what the Garmin unit's find cities tool brings up.  But
there's a small chance it could be the "is_in" tag (not
is_in:country tags).
It could also be a small bug with mkgmap
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/index.html which would be the tool
that's being used to convert the OSM data into Garmin's IMG
format.
- In which case it might be good idea to file a bug with a little
research to make it easier for the auther of mkgmap to re-create
the bug.
It's not a feature I'd use that much, but still, it would be
handy if you're actually trying to find something - rather than
in my case, to simply tell me if a road exists and if so does it
have a name - so I can survey it and clean it up :P
- Rhubarb
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 15:06 +1000, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote:
I've had the same issue. When searching for cities or suburbs it
will come up with results such as "Newcastle, VIC" "Newtown, VIC"
etc.
>
> I just switched on my Legend HCx and did a search for nearest
cities. Currently I'm in Lismore and despite most of the results
being in NSW it still came up with:
>
> Bora Ridge, VIC 25.03km
> Rileys Hill, VIC 26.38km
> Swan Bay, VIC 28.71km
> *6 other results within 50km which are supposedly in Victoria*
>
> There's probably a consistent pattern in there somewhere, about
70% of the results are shown correctly to be in NSW.
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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

[John Smith]

--- On Sun, 16/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd  wrote:

> OK, a reason to split - I couldn't think of any reason
> either way

The Savannah Way goes from QLD to WA, it's one "route" and I can't think of a 
good reason to split it.

There is a system limitation of 1000 ways per relation, the Americans got round 
this by making multiple relations of the same route and then added all the 
relations to a "super" relation.

That's a system limitation though, not a reason to split on state borders.


  

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Re: [talk-au] "Amenities" tags

[Elizabeth Dodd]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
> --- On Sun, 16/8/09, Liz  wrote:
> > I'd like to draw your attention to this guys suggested
> > organisation of amenity
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Amenity_Reoganization
>
> Good idea, and like others it won't get past the current stalemate with the
> way things are decided upon.
i mentioned earlier to Roy that when a committee is going round in circles you 
wait until the time is right and then come up with another proposal which 
actually offers the way out of the problem, supports most others partially but 
no one fully and then railroad it through.
I suspect that the working party concept may get off the ground with all the 
available hot air from that list

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Re: [talk-au] "Amenities" tags

[John Smith]

--- On Sun, 16/8/09, Liz  wrote:

> I'd like to draw your attention to this guys suggested
> organisation of amenity
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Amenity_Reoganization

Good idea, and like others it won't get past the current stalemate with the way 
things are decided upon.


  

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[talk-au] "Amenities" tags

[Liz]

I've started putting in complete sets of POIs in some small areas.
So I've just marked up the "amenities" with whatever seemed appropriate at the 
time if there was no tag
i used workshop for an engineering workshop
masseur for the massage clinic (not the other sort)
dental_technician for the denture bloke
and undertaker for the undertakers

I'd like to draw your attention to this guys suggested organisation of amenity
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Amenity_Reoganization


some of the comments that appear are quite fun - like the person who didn't 
think a mortuary was an amenity
(mortuary didn't survive as it has two distinct uses in various englishes)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Funeral_home

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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

[Elizabeth Dodd]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
> > would you break the relations at State borders or not?
>
> I have been for the ref=* relation because I'm adding
> addr:country=Australia, addr:state=QLD so that different state shields can
> be displayed differently.
OK, a reason to split - I couldn't think of any reason either way

>
> I didn't really think what to do with highway names. Can anyone think of a
> good reason to split, or reason we shouldn't?



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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

[John Smith]

This is the current relation tags I've come up with based on the talk-us 
threads.

Ref Relation tags:

addr:country=Australia
addr:state=QLD
network=A
ref=1
route=road
type=route

Name Relation tags:
name=Bruce Highway
route=road
type=route


  

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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

[John Smith]

--- On Sun, 16/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd  wrote:

> would you break the relations at State borders or not?

I have been for the ref=* relation because I'm adding addr:country=Australia, 
addr:state=QLD so that different state sheilds can be displayed different.

I didn't really think what to do with highway names. Can anyone think of a good 
reason to split, or reason we shouldn't?


  

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Re: [talk-au] New bridge + 6km of road

[Liz]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
> Must have been a really really slow news day, but they just had the opening
> of a new bridge + 6km of road across the ward river on TV.
>
> http://www.optuszoo.com.au/regional_news/4264/westqld/new-bridge-will-impro
>ve-town-s-wet-season-access.html
>
> Anyone likely to be going this way?
>
>
>
optuszoo doesn't want me 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/14/2655826.htm



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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

[Elizabeth Dodd]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
> It might be good to put the name and the ref in different relations, for
> example, A1 continues past Carins, but it changes name from the Bruce
> Highway to the Captain Cook Highway.
that I did see in May

>
> In this example there would be 3 relations, 1 for A1, 1 for the Bruce
> Highway and 1 for the Captain Cook Highway, and none of the ways in the
> relations have a name=* or ref=* tag except if there is a local street
> name, eg the Bruce Highway is also Mulgave Road in Cairns
would you break the relations at State borders or not?


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[talk-au] New bridge + 6km of road

[John Smith]

Must have been a really really slow news day, but they just had the opening of 
a new bridge + 6km of road across the ward river on TV.

http://www.optuszoo.com.au/regional_news/4264/westqld/new-bridge-will-improve-town-s-wet-season-access.html

Anyone likely to be going this way?


  

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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

[John Smith]

--- On Sun, 16/8/09, Liz  wrote:
> i think that it sounds like an improvement overall

It might be good to put the name and the ref in different relations, for 
example, A1 continues past Carins, but it changes name from the Bruce Highway 
to the Captain Cook Highway.

In this example there would be 3 relations, 1 for A1, 1 for the Bruce Highway 
and 1 for the Captain Cook Highway, and none of the ways in the relations have 
a name=* or ref=* tag except if there is a local street name, eg the Bruce 
Highway is also Mulgave Road in Cairns.


  

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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

[Liz]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
> > Also they talk about only adding ref's to relations that
> > have the entire highway.
>
> The other reason to use relations instead of tagging individual sections of
> ways is consistency, a lot of highways are badly or inconsistently tagged,
> if all the ways are part of the same highway they will be very easy to keep
> consistent.
i think that it sounds like an improvement overall



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Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

[John Smith]

> Also they talk about only adding ref's to relations that
> have the entire highway.

The other reason to use relations instead of tagging individual sections of 
ways is consistency, a lot of highways are badly or inconsistently tagged, if 
all the ways are part of the same highway they will be very easy to keep 
consistent.


  

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