Re: [talk-au] ABS post code areas
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Ben Kelley wrote: > I have seen a couple of places where you have put these. > Can you please put something like layer=-5, as otherwise > they cover up other layers in the town. I just came across this the other day in the osm-template.xml. Ignoring for the moment that we shouldn't do this to effect the outcome of rendering, this isn't actually needed as the size of each area is stored in the per-processed rendering database/tables and the system orders by the layer then by the area covered. Also Roads etc are drawn on top of areas, so actually stating layer=* isn't needed to order the drawing order of area colouring. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Coastlines, was: Rivers
Sorry to drag up this thread, but it's become relevant again. --- On Wed, 20/5/09, Ian Sergeant wrote: > There is some contention where the coastline ends, and > where the river begins. >From a practical stand point, coastlines are treated differently to other >similar ways in that they can be non-closed ways and still render. Things like natural=land must be closed or it won't render, same with waterway=riverbank, I'm guessing but I doubt these are the only examples. natural=coastline is dealt with by shape files, shape files don't update with the same frequency as other OSM data. Any way, back to how this is relevant, at present if you have over 2000 points outlining a body of water it won't be accepted by the current limitations of the API and so you'd have multiple closed ways/areas which is also a hack to get this to render. So the river/coastline thing is also technically contentious, not just distance from the ocean or if there is salt water present in the water :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] government-owned mapping company PSMA data
--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Mike Smith wrote: > Has anybody explored the possibility > of getting access to data from > the Australian government owned mapping company PSMA? > > Link is here... http://www.psma.com.au/ I think most of us would be aware of PSMA, but I think any requests to them would need to be handled tactfully and delicately and this is one reason I'm trying to establish a legal entity so we can say we're an organisation not just a bunch of hobbyists. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] government-owned mapping company PSMA data
Has anybody explored the possibility of getting access to data from the Australian government owned mapping company PSMA? Link is here... http://www.psma.com.au/ Regards, mikesm...@dominoconsultant.org for information about me please see my LinkedIn profile at http://www.linkedin.com/in/dominoconsultant I use free Ubuntu Linux with free Open Office instead of Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office, get your free copy of Ubuntu from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu and free Open Office from http://www.openoffice.org/ A directory of other quality free Open Source alternatives to commercial software can be found at http://www.osalt.com/ and a copy of the OpenDisc DVD full of software can be downloaded from http://www.theopendisc.com/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boundary names...
--- On Sat, 22/8/09, Matt White wrote: > One thing I noticed is that your coastlines seem out of > date (and in > return, the main OSM map doesn't handle overflow of > residential areas > into coastline very well). For what ever reason, the tile server seems to have updated boundary shape files, but they weren't available for download. I was pointed to this site: http://hypercube.telascience.org/~kleptog/ Which has updated shape files so the map now looks right :) http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=13&lat=-25.94115772201&lon=153.035897781 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?
Liz wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Cosmic Charade wrote: yes, but I use debian and xfce as desktop. however the screen is so small you need to learn about fullscreen, the keyboard shortcuts and see the optometrist as well I use Ubuntu with xfce so a similar setup but it runs like a dog on mine for some reason maybe I installed the wrong version of Java or I need to run with some command line options? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Navteq mapping AU
Forgot to mention that if you hover over a public swimming pool it even gives you the water temperature, something very important in Switzerland ;-) On Wednesday 26 Aug 2009 13:14:43 Evan Sebire wrote: > In Switzerland they have a site called http://www.search.ch even though > most of it is only available in German or French, like the wikipedia or > weather integration. > The real-estate map is great but they have not been able to get all the > local companies to use their service. http://immo.search.ch/ maybe > because of the cost? > > Public transport timetable information is great, even works from each bus- > stop, just hover over a stop and see the information pop-up. > > On Wednesday 26 Aug 2009 12:13:18 James Livingston wrote: > > On 26/08/2009, at 7:44 PM, John Smith wrote: > > > One example given was do you search on google to rent a house, > > > generally no one does, they use a specialist search engine that is > > > built for rent listings. > > > > That reminds me of something I was wishing for a couple of months ago, > > trying to find a rental place after moving to Brisbane - one of those > > web sites that made better use of geodata. Some of the good ones will > > shop you a map with a house icon for each property that is for rent/ > > sale, but a lot don't do even that. > > > > What I really wanted was a site that would do the above, and also tell > > me how long it would take to talk to the nearest public transport, > > catch it, and walk to my work at the other end[0]. Plus where the > > nearest shops were, if there were any parks or sports facilities > > nearby and so on. > > > > > > Now, if only I had a freely available source of data for something > > like that... I guess I should probably shut up and actually do > > something about it, although it probably wouldn't work to well without > > decent house number data. > > > > > > [0] Copying and pasting the address into the Translink web site gets > > tiring after a while. > > > > ___ > > Talk-au mailing list > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Navteq mapping AU
In Switzerland they have a site called http://www.search.ch even though most of it is only available in German or French, like the wikipedia or weather integration. The real-estate map is great but they have not been able to get all the local companies to use their service. http://immo.search.ch/ maybe because of the cost? Public transport timetable information is great, even works from each bus- stop, just hover over a stop and see the information pop-up. On Wednesday 26 Aug 2009 12:13:18 James Livingston wrote: > On 26/08/2009, at 7:44 PM, John Smith wrote: > > One example given was do you search on google to rent a house, > > generally no one does, they use a specialist search engine that is > > built for rent listings. > > That reminds me of something I was wishing for a couple of months ago, > trying to find a rental place after moving to Brisbane - one of those > web sites that made better use of geodata. Some of the good ones will > shop you a map with a house icon for each property that is for rent/ > sale, but a lot don't do even that. > > What I really wanted was a site that would do the above, and also tell > me how long it would take to talk to the nearest public transport, > catch it, and walk to my work at the other end[0]. Plus where the > nearest shops were, if there were any parks or sports facilities > nearby and so on. > > > Now, if only I had a freely available source of data for something > like that... I guess I should probably shut up and actually do > something about it, although it probably wouldn't work to well without > decent house number data. > > > [0] Copying and pasting the address into the Translink web site gets > tiring after a while. > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Navteq mapping AU
On 26/08/2009, at 7:44 PM, John Smith wrote: > One example given was do you search on google to rent a house, > generally no one does, they use a specialist search engine that is > built for rent listings. That reminds me of something I was wishing for a couple of months ago, trying to find a rental place after moving to Brisbane - one of those web sites that made better use of geodata. Some of the good ones will shop you a map with a house icon for each property that is for rent/ sale, but a lot don't do even that. What I really wanted was a site that would do the above, and also tell me how long it would take to talk to the nearest public transport, catch it, and walk to my work at the other end[0]. Plus where the nearest shops were, if there were any parks or sports facilities nearby and so on. Now, if only I had a freely available source of data for something like that... I guess I should probably shut up and actually do something about it, although it probably wouldn't work to well without decent house number data. [0] Copying and pasting the address into the Translink web site gets tiring after a while. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Navteq mapping AU
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've RTFA ;) They aren't going to do all rural and remote towns like this, just cities. If they do do all rural/remote towns it will cost a lot of money and take a lot of time and effort and I don't see a commercial justification for it. I also doubt they are going to do hiking trails, everything they're planning to do in city areas is already done on OSM for the most part. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Navteq mapping AU
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:44 AM, John Smith wrote: > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, Matt White wrote: > > > Probably been looking at the quality > > of the OSM data... > > > > > http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/cartech/mapping-australia-one-road-at-a-time-20090825-extj.html > > NavTeq still has the same problem as google, they only map streets and > street related information, they don't do foot paths, cycle ways, bridle > ways, mountain bike tracks, hiking tracks and so on and so on. > I've RTFA ;) To build Navteq's pedestrian mapping product called Discover Cities, field agents use hand-held PDAs to collect data. “We walk the streets and parks on foot, or sometimes ride a pushbike, making note of all pedestrian pathways, footpaths, pedestrian crossings, street lights and any pedestrian stairs, ramps or elevators to name a few. We also map and capture the attributes for the major transit stops such as Metro Rail, ferries and taxi stands,” Newton said. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Navteq mapping AU
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Matt White wrote: > Probably been looking at the quality > of the OSM data... > > http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/cartech/mapping-australia-one-road-at-a-time-20090825-extj.html NavTeq still has the same problem as google, they only map streets and street related information, they don't do foot paths, cycle ways, bridle ways, mountain bike tracks, hiking tracks and so on and so on. One of the SoTM09 vids was on just this, there is no future in just street data that's already come and gone, it's the specialist uses and users that is the future of OSM and mapping. One example given was do you search on google to rent a house, generally no one does, they use a specialist search engine that is built for rent listings. It's well worth watching: http://www.vimeo.com/6064709 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Cosmic Charade wrote: > OSM however is stalling woefully on my humble 2GB Atom powered Ubuntu > netbook. Has anyone had any success with JOSM on such a platform? yes, but I use debian and xfce as desktop. however the screen is so small you need to learn about fullscreen, the keyboard shortcuts and see the optometrist as well ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Navteq mapping AU
Probably been looking at the quality of the OSM data... http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/cartech/mapping-australia-one-road-at-a-time-20090825-extj.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tentative data source - Sunshine Coast Council
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Stephen Hope wrote: > A while ago (late last year, early this year?) a group in > Germany did > something like this, where they checked all the data on a > completed > area (I'm thinking Munich, but I may be wrong) against some > standard > database. Then they doublechecked all the differences > to make sure > they were real, and gave the resulting list back to the > council. It > was talked about on the talk list. I think they were > checking roads > existence and naming, rather than the actual shape, but I > could be > wrong. If you have a look at some of the SoTM09 videos there was a number of comparisons made with data from the local mapping authority, usually it's university researchers with access to commercial data doing the comparisons. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tentative data source - Sunshine Coast Council
2009/8/26 Jeff Price : > > The council are also interested in correcting errors in their own data given > that today they are largely corrected via public complaints and subsequent > site surveys. If someone has some wizzy ideas on how to determine the > difference between the datasets then you'd have some happy council campers. > A while ago (late last year, early this year?) a group in Germany did something like this, where they checked all the data on a completed area (I'm thinking Munich, but I may be wrong) against some standard database. Then they doublechecked all the differences to make sure they were real, and gave the resulting list back to the council. It was talked about on the talk list. I think they were checking roads existence and naming, rather than the actual shape, but I could be wrong. If we can find that, I'm sure those involved would be happy to give us some pointers on how they did it. Stephen ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
