Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
2009/10/14 Sam Vekemans : > Then the yellow must be all the "landuse=residential" then :) In this instance I'd guess the same thing, but without a survey we won't know for sure. > As land use can extend past the property boundary, were there is an easment. Easements show up as a void also, although a lot of these tend to be lane ways, a lot don't exist, which is why surveys need to be done, but at least this way it might be mathematically possible to come up with a route to cover the most ground with the least amount of fuel. A "single" place can buy out next door, but it might still be considered 2 properties by the relevant governments. http://osm.org/go/ueSlZ561Q- It doesn't render properly (tourism=theme_park), although I filed a bug about it, but according to the DCDB Qld data, the Ginger Factory occupies 2 adjoining properties. > Since were on the tagging list, the sidewalks & waterworks like sewer > lines, or underground cable lines, do we map these too, as the data is > also available? People are already tagging overhead high voltage power lines in areas, although being above ground they can be useful land marks for navigating etc. If you think the data will be useful, or is specifically useful to you, I don't see why not. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
Then the yellow must be all the "landuse=residential" then :) As land use can extend past the property boundary, were there is an easment. Strike 3, im out. Since were on the tagging list, the sidewalks & waterworks like sewer lines, or underground cable lines, do we map these too, as the data is also available? Sam On 10/13/09, John Smith wrote: > I made another example: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/5/5d/Dcdb-example.png > > It's clearer in this screen shot (using JOSM, JOSM has a black > background so the transparent pixels are black) exactly what runs down > the middle of these voids. > -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
2009/10/14 John Smith : > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/5/5d/Dcdb-example.png Here's the after shot: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/b/bf/Dcdb-example2.png ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
I made another example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/5/5d/Dcdb-example.png It's clearer in this screen shot (using JOSM, JOSM has a black background so the transparent pixels are black) exactly what runs down the middle of these voids. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
2009/10/14 Sam Vekemans : > But of course the landuse us 'unknown' by default. .. so what needs to be > done is to go around and find out what the actual landuse is. > ... of course there are voids there are voids all over the map of black > space. :) Swing and a miss... The property boundary data looks like this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/0/0d/Mapserv-wms-example.all-hallows.png The thickish white sections are actually transparent pixels because there is no data in this data set for that area, the most common "things" that fill the void that I've see so far is road ways and water ways. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:26 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/10/14 Sam Vekemans : > > Ok, so my big question is: > > Why are your property boundaries rendered with solid fill? > > Its not indicating land use, and should be rendered as a > > 'dash-dot-dot-dash' line. > > (at least thats how i remember it from drafting class) > > > > So if the property boundaries arnt filled in, then there is room to go > > around and tag areas of 'landuse=residential; or farmland or > > protected_area or industrial or what ever. > > > > Its after the area has been tagged with an appropriate landuse tag, > > that it becomes clear where the roads 'should technically' be, and > > there is also (I think) a tag landuse=civil (to show that the city > > owns it) > > > > Me hopes that makes sence :) > > It makes sense, but you missed the point entirely. > > The property boundary landuse is unknown, between the boundaries there > are voids, these voids seem to exist where there is road ways and > water ways. > eye... i, i ie :0) But of course the landuse us 'unknown' by default. .. so what needs to be done is to go around and find out what the actual landuse is. ... of course there are voids there are voids all over the map of black space. :) When these boundaries are filled in, with 'area=yes' ... then yes there appear to be 'voids' But it's just like a power line running through somewhere you cant automatically say that the land under it is a 'no-go' zone. ... you cant put anything there, until eithor A - you get more data available, or B- it is physically survayed. My point is that you dont need to be drawing in ANY roads your just importing boundaries nothing todo with roads. For examaple... I have polygons that are ready to be imported for landuse=residential. For me, since im aware that roads are being imported, It's silly for me to be importing this landuse=residential polygons... 'cause when you see them (with no roads around) you CAN extrapolate and see that the space between them, is wide enough for a road to be. but it could be a landuse=industrial. So the solution (im doing) is that i make these .osm files available on a server, as the conversion part... and just let these files sit there until someone want them. So for Austrailia... my guess is that YES, the road data will 'most likely' become available in the next year. So why be so concerned about these empty spaces? .. why not just focus the efforts on converting all the other different types of data available, and make those available as .osm files.... and keep the discussion going on 'how to appropriately tag the features that are available' rather than how to tag what is NOT available. and again, If was to go out there and survay an area and i see that there is no road. ... what i DO see is that there is a landuse=something (farmland) (desert) ... or but a fence if there is one. .. or natural=grassland. 'cause there ALWAYS something. .. ditch ... whatever.. Once that area is physically surveyed, it's mapped that i's something. ... and there should be no question. .. from what i see on that sourcedata website, you got LOTS of different datasets available to play with.... i think that the BBQ's have been dealt with, whats next? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data.australia.gov.au/World_Heritage_Areas? cheers, (fun taking in circles) ... good times, im learning too. Sam :-) p.s. You guys will probably be done your import before Canada's done :) lol... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)
2009/10/14 Liz : > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote: >> Before you propose a tag, you should be using it. > > how ridiculous > prohibiting discussion before polluting the data base with even more tags There seems to be 2 completely distinct camps within OSM. Those that think any tag you can think of should be used and who cares if the data is completely useless for anything later as long as it's human readable and verifiable. Those that want to put some thought into how to make the data as useful as possible for all purposes by trying to achieve some kind of consensus before tagging. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
2009/10/14 Sam Vekemans : > Ok, so my big question is: > Why are your property boundaries rendered with solid fill? > Its not indicating land use, and should be rendered as a > 'dash-dot-dot-dash' line. > (at least thats how i remember it from drafting class) > > So if the property boundaries arnt filled in, then there is room to go > around and tag areas of 'landuse=residential; or farmland or > protected_area or industrial or what ever. > > Its after the area has been tagged with an appropriate landuse tag, > that it becomes clear where the roads 'should technically' be, and > there is also (I think) a tag landuse=civil (to show that the city > owns it) > > Me hopes that makes sence :) It makes sense, but you missed the point entirely. The property boundary landuse is unknown, between the boundaries there are voids, these voids seem to exist where there is road ways and water ways. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
Ok, so my big question is: Why are your property boundaries rendered with solid fill? Its not indicating land use, and should be rendered as a 'dash-dot-dot-dash' line. (at least thats how i remember it from drafting class) So if the property boundaries arnt filled in, then there is room to go around and tag areas of 'landuse=residential; or farmland or protected_area or industrial or what ever. Its after the area has been tagged with an appropriate landuse tag, that it becomes clear where the roads 'should technically' be, and there is also (I think) a tag landuse=civil (to show that the city owns it) Me hopes that makes sence :) cheers, Sam On 10/13/09, John Smith wrote: > Unless anyone has an objection I propose that we tagged non-existent > roads from DCDB Qld as: > > highway=gazetted_road > > Anything that hasn't been surveyed can be tagged as highway=road which > is consistent with current usage, these will also be rendered enough > to indicate they need to be surveyed and hopefully this will encourage > people to participate even if they don't have a GPS. > > I updated the wiki as well to reflect this: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#What_about_using_meta_information_from_the_DCDB_Qld_date.3F > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
Thinking about it now, I realise you are quite correct :) My apologies. - Ben. 2009/10/14 Liz > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Ben Kelley wrote: > > I would have thought highway=unclassified would be better if you don't > know > > what type of highway it is. > the highway=road has actually the exact use (in the wiki) that John > mentioned. > highway=unclassified has a use which isn't "i don't know", it means it's a > lowly road which doesn't have a MABC type (in UK, to be precise) > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Get DCDB QLD Lite running on Mapserver on Windows.
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, morb@beagle.com.au wrote: > If you were having fun then fine. But you can compare your notes to mine: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Morb_au > > I suppose I should split it off to another page. I made the page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/QueenslandDcdbLite with the intention that it could have different solutions on it, or links to other solutions ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Ben Kelley wrote: > I would have thought highway=unclassified would be better if you don't know > what type of highway it is. the highway=road has actually the exact use (in the wiki) that John mentioned. highway=unclassified has a use which isn't "i don't know", it means it's a lowly road which doesn't have a MABC type (in UK, to be precise) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote: > Before you propose a tag, you should be using it. how ridiculous prohibiting discussion before polluting the data base with even more tags ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
Hi. Slightly OT, but the highway tag shouldn't be used to indicate if it hasn't been surveyed or not. That should be in the source tag. I would have thought highway=unclassified would be better if you don't know what type of highway it is. - Ben. 2009/10/14 John Smith > Anything that hasn't been surveyed can be tagged as highway=road which > is consistent with current usage, these will also be rendered enough > to indicate they need to be surveyed and hopefully this will encourage > people to participate even if they don't have a GPS. > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road
Unless anyone has an objection I propose that we tagged non-existent roads from DCDB Qld as: highway=gazetted_road Anything that hasn't been surveyed can be tagged as highway=road which is consistent with current usage, these will also be rendered enough to indicate they need to be surveyed and hopefully this will encourage people to participate even if they don't have a GPS. I updated the wiki as well to reflect this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#What_about_using_meta_information_from_the_DCDB_Qld_date.3F ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Get DCDB QLD Lite running on Mapserver on Windows.
Thanks for the page you made on the wiki Liz :). I've had a stab at putting a guide up of what I did and it is at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/QueenslandDcdbLite On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:25 PM, wrote: > Quoting Lindley Bowers : > > > Hi, > > > > I just got the DCDB QLD Lite data running on my windows machine. (I don't > > have a spare box for Linux and wouldn't have a clue how to get that all > > going etc). > > > > Should I post up what I did? I should warn that I'm a complete noobie and > > have no idea if I did it right or not. But, I can read, Google info and > copy > > and paste. It's surprising how far that will get you, lol. > > If you were having fun then fine. But you can compare your notes to mine: > > Yes I was :), even if I got a bit frustrated with mapserver until I figured out that it doesn't like long names for files. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Morb_au > > I suppose I should split it off to another page. > > > Realised that > > the data was just t big as it ran like a sloth. Installed > > PostgreSQL/Postgis. > > Yes, that size shapefile (even with a so called spatial index) didn't seem > to > return anything under 30 seconds > > I was getting 5 or 6 tiles a minute into JOSM but it was still incredibly slow. > > Cheers, > > Brentyn. > > What's with people starting with "Bren" starting their own DCDB servers? > That's > 3 now (-: > > Brendan > > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Get DCDB QLD Lite running on Mapserver on Windows.
Quoting Lindley Bowers : > Hi, > > I just got the DCDB QLD Lite data running on my windows machine. (I don't > have a spare box for Linux and wouldn't have a clue how to get that all > going etc). > > Should I post up what I did? I should warn that I'm a complete noobie and > have no idea if I did it right or not. But, I can read, Google info and copy > and paste. It's surprising how far that will get you, lol. If you were having fun then fine. But you can compare your notes to mine: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Morb_au I suppose I should split it off to another page. > Realised that > the data was just t big as it ran like a sloth. Installed > PostgreSQL/Postgis. Yes, that size shapefile (even with a so called spatial index) didn't seem to return anything under 30 seconds > Cheers, > Brentyn. What's with people starting with "Bren" starting their own DCDB servers? That's 3 now (-: Brendan ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit files
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Franc Carter wrote: > > I've been looking over the navit code and have made some minor tweaks to > > suite me. > > My first guess is that the issue might be able to be worked around by > > changing the order > > that osm2navit looks at properties - e.g making ti look at decide these > are > > roads instead > > of boundaries. > the part of the irc conversation below may help > Yep, interesting - my guess may have been wrong - but it gives me some leads - thanks > > > > > Of course this will mean boundaries will disappear in those places. > > > > Solving it properly will probably be trickier. I'll have a look at it on > > the weekend. > > > > cheers > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM, John Smith > wrote: > > > 2009/10/13 Elizabeth Dodd : > > > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: > > > >> This is really a bug in their software, specifically the osm2navit > > > >> binary, it would be better to file a bug and get them to fix the > issue > > > >> rather than trying to work around their bugs. > > > >> > > > >> Have you filed a bug report for this at all? > > > > > > > > I've sat on irc for nearly a week waiting for some action to discuss > it > > > > > > their > > > > > > > irc channel first > > > > as i also wanted to talk about the strange computed routes i was > > > > getting > > > > > > Pretty sure I had the same issue when I tried to report their routing > > > engine was screwy too. > > > > > > Alternatively there is plan B, there is a number of people on this > > > list that can code, and even more on the dev list, I'm sure between us > > > we can cook up a suitable patch. Is anyone familiar with the osm2navit > > > code at all? > > > > progress on IRC > nominated Thiele Highway, goes north from Kapunda in SA > > but trouble getting the OSM way ID > can get point identifiers instead > > > > 20:57] This is probably due to the "longest match" functionality in > osm2navit. osm items are converted to the navit items which are matching > the > most tags > [20:58] If there are several matches of the same length, the item > gets > duplicated, otherwise the shorter matches will be ignored > [20:58] Maybe we have to add an extra match to compensate for this > > > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit files
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:55 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/10/13 Franc Carter : > > > > I've been looking over the navit code and have made some minor tweaks to > > suite me. > > My first guess is that the issue might be able to be worked around by > > changing the order > > that osm2navit looks at properties - e.g making ti look at decide these > are > > roads instead > > of boundaries. > > > > Of course this will mean boundaries will disappear in those places. > > I wonder if it's possible to duplicate the object to break it up into > 2 objects instead of one, and strip appropriate tags from the > respective objects. > Yep, that's the 'correct' solution that I am assuming, without having actually delved in to the code at the moment. It's been a *long* time seince I was a real developer, so most of my approaches tend to be aimed at getting stuff to work the way I want. So, unless it's easier than I am expecting I'll probably go for the 'it works' solution (obviously not expecting the patch to be accepted) -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit files
2009/10/13 Franc Carter : > > I've been looking over the navit code and have made some minor tweaks to > suite me. > My first guess is that the issue might be able to be worked around by > changing the order > that osm2navit looks at properties - e.g making ti look at decide these are > roads instead > of boundaries. > > Of course this will mean boundaries will disappear in those places. I wonder if it's possible to duplicate the object to break it up into 2 objects instead of one, and strip appropriate tags from the respective objects. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit files
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Franc Carter wrote: > I've been looking over the navit code and have made some minor tweaks to > suite me. > My first guess is that the issue might be able to be worked around by > changing the order > that osm2navit looks at properties - e.g making ti look at decide these are > roads instead > of boundaries. the part of the irc conversation below may help > > Of course this will mean boundaries will disappear in those places. > > Solving it properly will probably be trickier. I'll have a look at it on > the weekend. > > cheers > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM, John Smith wrote: > > 2009/10/13 Elizabeth Dodd : > > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: > > >> This is really a bug in their software, specifically the osm2navit > > >> binary, it would be better to file a bug and get them to fix the issue > > >> rather than trying to work around their bugs. > > >> > > >> Have you filed a bug report for this at all? > > > > > > I've sat on irc for nearly a week waiting for some action to discuss it > > > > their > > > > > irc channel first > > > as i also wanted to talk about the strange computed routes i was > > > getting > > > > Pretty sure I had the same issue when I tried to report their routing > > engine was screwy too. > > > > Alternatively there is plan B, there is a number of people on this > > list that can code, and even more on the dev list, I'm sure between us > > we can cook up a suitable patch. Is anyone familiar with the osm2navit > > code at all? > > progress on IRC nominated Thiele Highway, goes north from Kapunda in SA but trouble getting the OSM way ID can get point identifiers instead 20:57] This is probably due to the "longest match" functionality in osm2navit. osm items are converted to the navit items which are matching the most tags [20:58] If there are several matches of the same length, the item gets duplicated, otherwise the shorter matches will be ignored [20:58] Maybe we have to add an extra match to compensate for this ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit files
John Smith wrote: > Pretty sure I had the same issue when I tried to report their routing > engine was screwy too. The idlers and lurkers will read the backlog when they return. Conversations can go very slowly this way, but communication is possible. Bug tracker: http://trac.navit-project.org/ Forums (no idea how closely they're monitored): http://sourceforge.net/projects/navit/forums There doesn't appear to be a mailing list. > Alternatively there is plan B, there is a number of people on this > list that can code, and even more on the dev list, I'm sure between us > we can cook up a suitable patch. Is anyone familiar with the osm2navit > code at all? I've looked it over a few times and even modified it a little. It's 5500 lines of dense code with lots of global variables, nearly no comments and a highly abstracted attribute-driven metaschema so I'll make no claims of familiarity. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit files
I've been looking over the navit code and have made some minor tweaks to suite me. My first guess is that the issue might be able to be worked around by changing the order that osm2navit looks at properties - e.g making ti look at decide these are roads instead of boundaries. Of course this will mean boundaries will disappear in those places. Solving it properly will probably be trickier. I'll have a look at it on the weekend. cheers On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/10/13 Elizabeth Dodd : > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: > >> This is really a bug in their software, specifically the osm2navit > >> binary, it would be better to file a bug and get them to fix the issue > >> rather than trying to work around their bugs. > >> > >> Have you filed a bug report for this at all? > > I've sat on irc for nearly a week waiting for some action to discuss it > their > > irc channel first > > as i also wanted to talk about the strange computed routes i was getting > > Pretty sure I had the same issue when I tried to report their routing > engine was screwy too. > > Alternatively there is plan B, there is a number of people on this > list that can code, and even more on the dev list, I'm sure between us > we can cook up a suitable patch. Is anyone familiar with the osm2navit > code at all? > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Get DCDB QLD Lite running on Mapserver on Windows.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:19 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/10/13 Lindley Bowers : > > I'll post more details if I'm allowed (just asking before I post > something a > > few pages long). > > Might be better to do this as a wiki page... > Um, I don't know how to do a wiki page. But I can read, copy/paste, so I'll see what happens :). Looks like a wiki page then. I have no idea as to the organization of the Wiki site. What should I call the page? Ugh, how do you create a new page? I'll do a bit of a run down on how I got the shape file data serving by mapserver from a PostgreSQL database in Windows. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Update for bigtincan tile database.
I've just updated the update process for the map server, the previous minutely files produced from the OSM DB had a serious flaw where long updates would be missed which would require the entire DB to be reloaded periodically, however now better changesets are produced which includes changes made since the last change set, but may not be produced each minute. Hopefully now there will be less missing data from the database and will eliminate the need to reload the entire database of information. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit files
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: > This is really a bug in their software, specifically the osm2navit > binary, it would be better to file a bug and get them to fix the issue > rather than trying to work around their bugs. > > Have you filed a bug report for this at all? I've sat on irc for nearly a week waiting for some action to discuss it their irc channel first as i also wanted to talk about the strange computed routes i was getting alas #navit has been very quiet -- Writing is easy; all you do is sit staring at the blank sheet of paper until drops of blood form on your forehead. -- Gene Fowler ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Get DCDB QLD Lite running on Mapserver on Windows.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Liz wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Lindley Bowers wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:19 PM, John Smith > wrote: > > > 2009/10/13 Lindley Bowers : > > > > I'll post more details if I'm allowed (just asking before I post > > > > > > something a > > > > > > > few pages long). > > > > > > Might be better to do this as a wiki page... > > > > Um, I don't know how to do a wiki page. But I can read, copy/paste, so > I'll > > see what happens :). > > > > Looks like a wiki page then. I have no idea as to the organization of the > > Wiki site. What should I call the page? Ugh, how do you create a new > page? > > > > I'll do a bit of a run down on how I got the shape file data serving by > > mapserver from a PostgreSQL database in Windows. > > do you want someone to make a basic page and you put some text into it? > > > Yes please. > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Get DCDB QLD Lite running on Mapserver on Windows.
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Lindley Bowers wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:19 PM, John Smith wrote: > > 2009/10/13 Lindley Bowers : > > > I'll post more details if I'm allowed (just asking before I post > > > > something a > > > > > few pages long). > > > > Might be better to do this as a wiki page... > > Um, I don't know how to do a wiki page. But I can read, copy/paste, so I'll > see what happens :). > > Looks like a wiki page then. I have no idea as to the organization of the > Wiki site. What should I call the page? Ugh, how do you create a new page? > > I'll do a bit of a run down on how I got the shape file data serving by > mapserver from a PostgreSQL database in Windows. do you want someone to make a basic page and you put some text into it? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit files
2009/10/13 Elizabeth Dodd : > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: >> This is really a bug in their software, specifically the osm2navit >> binary, it would be better to file a bug and get them to fix the issue >> rather than trying to work around their bugs. >> >> Have you filed a bug report for this at all? > I've sat on irc for nearly a week waiting for some action to discuss it their > irc channel first > as i also wanted to talk about the strange computed routes i was getting Pretty sure I had the same issue when I tried to report their routing engine was screwy too. Alternatively there is plan B, there is a number of people on this list that can code, and even more on the dev list, I'm sure between us we can cook up a suitable patch. Is anyone familiar with the osm2navit code at all? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Get DCDB QLD Lite running on Mapserver on Windows.
2009/10/13 Lindley Bowers : > I'll post more details if I'm allowed (just asking before I post something a > few pages long). Might be better to do this as a wiki page... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Get DCDB QLD Lite running on Mapserver on Windows.
> Installed mapserver and some demos. Edited gmap demo to get it working thus > verifying mapserver worked on windows. > Downloaded the DCDB QLD Lite data. Setup a map file for the data. Got > frustrated at it not working until I renamed the data files. Realised that > the data was just t big as it ran like a sloth. Installed > PostgreSQL/Postgis. Converted the data & it all works locally nice and fast. > > I'll post more details if I'm allowed (just asking before I post something a > few pages long). > > Cheers, > Brentyn. Sounds good. Or add a page to the wiki? I've been looking at doing the same for the waterways/wetlands data but I have a few too many things on at the moment. So would be interested to see how you did it but will be using linux myself. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit files
2009/10/13 Liz : > navit files built form osm data don't show a road if there is a reuse of the > admin boundary for the road > > and so navigation around adelaide is going to be really interesting > as a lot of main roads have just disappeared > > please guys > don't reuse admin boundaries ( like ABS ) to replace perfectly good data that > was already in the database. This is really a bug in their software, specifically the osm2navit binary, it would be better to file a bug and get them to fix the issue rather than trying to work around their bugs. Have you filed a bug report for this at all? > Just like i used to reuse the post office node for the place name and then the > rendering rules changed for mapnik and none of those named places showed up on > the map. Did you file a bug report against mapnik for this? There is no reason a single node can't be used for both. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] navit files
navit files built form osm data don't show a road if there is a reuse of the admin boundary for the road and so navigation around adelaide is going to be really interesting as a lot of main roads have just disappeared please guys don't reuse admin boundaries ( like ABS ) to replace perfectly good data that was already in the database. Just like i used to reuse the post office node for the place name and then the rendering rules changed for mapnik and none of those named places showed up on the map. :( ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Get DCDB QLD Lite running on Mapserver on Windows.
Hi, I just got the DCDB QLD Lite data running on my windows machine. (I don't have a spare box for Linux and wouldn't have a clue how to get that all going etc). Should I post up what I did? I should warn that I'm a complete noobie and have no idea if I did it right or not. But, I can read, Google info and copy and paste. It's surprising how far that will get you, lol. As a summary this is kinda what happened to my computer over the last few days: Installed mapserver and some demos. Edited gmap demo to get it working thus verifying mapserver worked on windows. Downloaded the DCDB QLD Lite data. Setup a map file for the data. Got frustrated at it not working until I renamed the data files. Realised that the data was just t big as it ran like a sloth. Installed PostgreSQL/Postgis. Converted the data & it all works locally nice and fast. I'll post more details if I'm allowed (just asking before I post something a few pages long). Cheers, Brentyn. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
