Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout
2009/12/29 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: These days all public roads should be named, note should I couldn't get find a name for one rural road, emailed the relevant Council (Cabonne Shire) and the naming proposal was stuck somewhere in the bureaucracy. It should be part of the numbering system, even if it's Unamed Road X, it should have a unique name or at least unique number for the road. Leave a letter in a mail box and ask the person to write you a letter with their postal information :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM
What is the URL format? If it's possible to change the hostname so that it points at our servers, and to set at least the first part of the path, I could see whether we can implement a custom URL parser for it (like we have for Potlatch). b 2009/12/23 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The problem I'm really trying to solve is with the slippymap plugin, because it is compiled and the URL isn't easily setable/changeable by a user, there is no options to tweak the URL in the plugin interface/settings This isn't easy, but you could try...going to the Advanced Settings tab, and add a slippymap.custom_tile_source_1 as described at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM/Plugins/SlippyMap (note I haven't tested this myself) Ok, I tried this myself and it doesn't work, seemingly because the slippymap plugin attempts to fetch tiles from url/*/*/*.jpg, rather than urlz=zx=xy=ynml=Vert. Something like that. This problem seems to be the motivation for Morb_au's hosted Apache mod_rewrite instance (details: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nearmap#JOSM) This is still a bit yuck. Anyone made any progress? -- Ben Last Development Manager (HyperWeb) NearMap Pty Ltd ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Ok, I tried this myself and it doesn't work, seemingly because the slippymap plugin attempts to fetch tiles from url/*/*/*.jpg, rather than urlz=zx=xy=ynml=Vert. What is the URL format? If it's possible to change the hostname so that it points at our servers, and to set at least the first part of the path, I could see whether we can implement a custom URL parser for it (like we have for Potlatch). This is (it seems) detailed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames In short, as described on that page: Filename(url) format is /zoom/x/y.png, where each zoom level is a directory, each column is a subdirectory, and each tile in that column is a file. Thanks! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones
Has anyone tagged an alcohol free zone before, if so how? They cover parks/foot paths etc, so I guess some sort of area would be applicable, I should pester the local cop who got them put in place as to the exact areas covered. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: Has anyone tagged an alcohol free zone before, if so how? They cover parks/foot paths etc, so I guess some sort of area would be applicable, I should pester the local cop who got them put in place as to the exact areas covered. Can't see the Germans agreeing to the concept ;) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones
2009/12/29 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: Has anyone tagged an alcohol free zone before, if so how? They cover parks/foot paths etc, so I guess some sort of area would be applicable, I should pester the local cop who got them put in place as to the exact areas covered. Can't see the Germans agreeing to the concept ;) There is a couple of Germans on the caravan park in the middle of an alcohol free zone and the cop shop isn't far away, they don't have much of a choice ;) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Ok, I tried this myself and it doesn't work, seemingly because the slippymap plugin attempts to fetch tiles from url/*/*/*.jpg, rather than urlz=zx=xy=ynml=Vert. What is the URL format? If it's possible to change the hostname so that it points at our servers, and to set at least the first part of the path, I could see whether we can implement a custom URL parser for it (like we have for Potlatch). This is (it seems) detailed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames In short, as described on that page: Filename(url) format is /zoom/x/y.png, where each zoom level is a directory, each column is a subdirectory, and each tile in that column is a file. Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nmd/z/x/y.jpg (where nmd is the date) The following related example of an apache mod_rewrite instance is from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nearmap#SlippyMap_Plugin_.28Method_2.2C_Using_hosted_URL_rewriting.29: # Allows JOSM slippymap to browse the NearMap Aerial coverage 20091015 RewriteRule nearmap.aerial.slippymap.20091015/(.+)/(.+)/(.+).jpg http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nmd=20091015nml=Vertx=$2y=$3z=$1 [L,R=permanent] ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Cycle path under railway
Hi Steve I am busy trying to get to understand how to connect the bits in a relation. Not getting far but I want to read a bit more before I ask teh dumb questions here. Yes I am planning on getting to the Warragul-Drouin two towns trail. My wife has done no exercise for years and we are taking it slow with the kids. I also need to get my Nuvi onto the bike rather than stuck in my pocket. I would love to get all the other trials done and it may still happen in the near future. Geoff Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Geoff gjn@gmail.com mailto:gjn@gmail.com wrote: Which raises another point how do I link all the bits that I have mapped into one one way or put in a relation to make it a route. Or do I just work around it by naming all the bits as Linear park track? A relation is best for long bike paths, imho. Amongst other things, it makes it render more prominently in opencyclemap. Also, looks like you haven't mapped the Warragul-Drouin (Two Towns) Trail yet? Is that on the agenda? And while I think of it, it looks like the Boolarra-Mirboo North trail is incompletely mapped. Perhaps because there are two bridges down...it's possible to get past (did it a few weeks ago), but a bit fiddly, and you need to lift your bike over a small (1 metre wide) stream. Then of course there's the Sale-Maffra trail, and the Foster-Leongatha rail trail...:) Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Cycle path under railway
2009/12/29 Geoff gjn@gmail.com: Hi Steve I am busy trying to get to understand how to connect the bits in a relation. Not getting far but I want to read a bit more before I ask teh dumb questions here. I can't tell you in potlatch, but it's dead simple in JOSM, you just select them and then bring up the relation panel (Alt+R) and click on the new relation button (button on the bottom left side of the panel), and you just fill in the bits, I don't know about cycle relations as I haven't tagged them but I'm guessing the type=route. Yes I am planning on getting to the Warragul-Drouin two towns trail. My wife has done no exercise for years and we are taking it slow with the kids. I also need to get my Nuvi onto the bike rather than stuck in my pocket. Kids take it slow, I thought most old guys taking up marathon running was because their kids got them fit. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM
2009/12/29 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nmd/z/x/y.jpg (where nmd is the date) Doesn't need to be part of the path, just part of the URL, eg: http://www.nearmap.com/maps/z/x/y.jpg?nmd=mmdd ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Need some SVG images to file RFE bugs
I've been mapping out quite a number of POIs from shops and other various things, and while I realise it isn't in the best interests of everyone to have everything render I think it would be nice if a few more things did render, but I have no graphic skills and I haven't been able to locate anything suitable on wikipedia etc, and JOSM doesn't use SVGs as far as I know, only PNGs and I don't think they accept anything but SVGs. * Newsagencies * Playgrounds * Schools/Daycare * Supermarkets * Butchers * Bakeries * Art Galleries * Hair Dresser * Doctors * Picnic tables + covered tables * Information signs Probably others, but that will do for starters :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/29 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nmd/z/x/y.jpg (where nmd is the date) Doesn't need to be part of the path, just part of the URL, eg: http://www.nearmap.com/maps/z/x/y.jpg?nmd=mmdd But John, it has to precede the last / to work as a slippymap.custom_tile_source_1, right? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Cycle path under railway
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/29 Geoff gjn@gmail.com: Hi Steve I am busy trying to get to understand how to connect the bits in a relation. Not getting far but I want to read a bit more before I ask teh dumb questions here. I can't tell you in potlatch, but it's dead simple in JOSM, you just select them and then bring up the relation panel (Alt+R) and click on the new relation button (button on the bottom left side of the panel), and you just fill in the bits, I don't know about cycle relations as I haven't tagged them but I'm guessing the type=route. Just look at existing bike paths that use relations, like in Melbourne. This explains it, I think: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:rcn Use the rcn key. It's pretty straightforward in potlatch, there are so many buttons you can press before you hit the right one. You create the relation, then add each way to it. Again, look at existing bike paths to see what it looks like. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM
2009/12/29 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/29 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nmd/z/x/y.jpg (where nmd is the date) Doesn't need to be part of the path, just part of the URL, eg: http://www.nearmap.com/maps/z/x/y.jpg?nmd=mmdd But John, it has to precede the last / to work as a slippymap.custom_tile_source_1, right? Sorry, half asleep when I typed that, I wonder if something like this would work, as the nmd could be searched for in the URL etc. http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nmd=mmdd/z/x/y.jpg ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones
I know Bendigo has an 'alcohol free zone' which would be useful to capture. Initial thoughts are that it is best represented as a relation, made up of the ways (roads etc) that form the outer boundary. Just need to define a new relation 'type' (Alcohol Free Zone) and 'restriction' (alcohol?). Start/end times may also be a consideration in some places as well. And then, of course, there is the rendering. On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: Has anyone tagged an alcohol free zone before, if so how? They cover parks/foot paths etc, so I guess some sort of area would be applicable, I should pester the local cop who got them put in place as to the exact areas covered. Can't see the Germans agreeing to the concept ;) There is a couple of Germans on the caravan park in the middle of an alcohol free zone and the cop shop isn't far away, they don't have much of a choice ;) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Custom highway shields
2009/12/28 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields Can you include the shield image on the wiki page? I've updated the wiki page to include some highway templates I found on wikipedia... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones
2009/12/30 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: I know Bendigo has an 'alcohol free zone' which would be useful to capture. Initial thoughts are that it is best represented as a relation, made up of the ways (roads etc) that form the outer boundary. Just need to define a new relation 'type' (Alcohol Free Zone) and 'restriction' (alcohol?). Start/end times may also be a consideration in some places as well. And then, of course, there is the rendering. I don't think a relation would be good enough, as they don't always just cover roads + foot paths either side, they also cover parks/playgrounds and here caravan parks too. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones
The same thing happens here as well John. So you are saying that specific playgrounds etc are AFZ's as well. So in those instances they would be part of a relation (with a single object ie the polygon representing the playground). I think relations are the best option for AFZ's because they allow flexibility to cover both scenarios. It is therefore easier for renders to look at just relations when it comes to rendering them rather than tags and relations. 2009/12/30 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 2009/12/30 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: I know Bendigo has an 'alcohol free zone' which would be useful to capture. Initial thoughts are that it is best represented as a relation, made up of the ways (roads etc) that form the outer boundary. Just need to define a new relation 'type' (Alcohol Free Zone) and 'restriction' (alcohol?). Start/end times may also be a consideration in some places as well. And then, of course, there is the rendering. I don't think a relation would be good enough, as they don't always just cover roads + foot paths either side, they also cover parks/playgrounds and here caravan parks too. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones
2009/12/30 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: The same thing happens here as well John. So you are saying that specific playgrounds etc are AFZ's as well. So in those instances they would be part of a relation (with a single object ie the polygon representing the playground). I think relations are the best option for AFZ's because they allow flexibility to cover both scenarios. It is therefore easier for renders to look at just relations when it comes to rendering them rather than tags and relations. Perhaps relations would be good enough if you can map landuse areas, but in rural areas it's hard to map landuses, most parks are rough guesses. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] roundabouts and footways/cycleways
Hi, Just an FYI that I spotted last night - current versions of navit appear to count exits that aren't navigable by the current vehicle (e.g footways when traveling by car) when calculating the exit count. cheers -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones
so if the park is only a rough guess, are you going to be able to define the AFZ any better? So long as the relation is attached to the polygon (or other feature), when that feature gets updated so will the relation. I will take a stab at doing one for Bendigo and post it onto the list for discussion. 2009/12/30 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 2009/12/30 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: The same thing happens here as well John. So you are saying that specific playgrounds etc are AFZ's as well. So in those instances they would be part of a relation (with a single object ie the polygon representing the playground). I think relations are the best option for AFZ's because they allow flexibility to cover both scenarios. It is therefore easier for renders to look at just relations when it comes to rendering them rather than tags and relations. Perhaps relations would be good enough if you can map landuse areas, but in rural areas it's hard to map landuses, most parks are rough guesses. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Cycle path under railway
Thank You Steve and John I think I did it correctly please have a look at the Warragul Linear Trail http://www.bawbawshire.vic.gov.au/Page/page.asp?Page_Id=1166h=0 pdf download from there. I have not completed surveying the whole trail but that will come. Along with the others in the region as I get the family on the bike and outside. Geoff Steve Bennett wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/29 Geoff gjn@gmail.com mailto:gjn@gmail.com: Hi Steve I am busy trying to get to understand how to connect the bits in a relation. Not getting far but I want to read a bit more before I ask teh dumb questions here. I can't tell you in potlatch, but it's dead simple in JOSM, you just select them and then bring up the relation panel (Alt+R) and click on the new relation button (button on the bottom left side of the panel), and you just fill in the bits, I don't know about cycle relations as I haven't tagged them but I'm guessing the type=route. Just look at existing bike paths that use relations, like in Melbourne. This explains it, I think: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:rcn Use the rcn key. It's pretty straightforward in potlatch, there are so many buttons you can press before you hit the right one. You create the relation, then add each way to it. Again, look at existing bike paths to see what it looks like. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout
2009/12/29 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: What about service roads? They're lined with houses, and used primarily by people accessing those homes. Surely highway=service. I marked a couple of ways today that is the primary access to residential buildings as highway=track, because it was nothing more than a track, even though the name contains the word street it wasn't even gravelled properly to be considered unpaved. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...
2009/12/30 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: Canberra didn't have an 'administrative boundary'. Is there such a thing? I sent out a post a week or so ago about using admin_level=7 for metro/regional area boundaries, but yes there is a Canberra admin boundary, but it only covers the suburb of Canberra, assuming no one has mangled the boundary relation up. Unless they are look for a boundary way instead of boundary relations. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...
2009/12/30 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: That's pretty impressive stuff. One random map that came up: http://maposmatic.org/rendered//004922_2009-12-28_08-34_GrenobleIsreRhneAlpesFrance.png I used to live right on the eastern edge of that map. Can't help but wonder if Australian cities will ever have that level of detail... It's possible to get that level of detail anywhere in the world as long as there is hi-res imagery for it, the biggest thing we lack is human resources with enough time and skills to map things to that degree. I was attempting to get Carnarvon to that level as a show case, ie small area and to some extent we suceeded. http://maposmatic.org/rendered//004989_2009-12-30_08-03_CarnarvonWA.png ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
