[talk-au] Historic stations and rail
Hi all, I've been working on some old train lines and stations, mostly around Victoria, and have finally settled on a tagging scheme, based on what's popular in taginfo. The current tagging has been pretty inconsistent, with lots of variations like railway=station, disused=yes, railway=station, name=Foo (former), railway:historic=station, historic:railway=station, building=station... Thought I'd check whether anyone has any comments/disagreements: Active stations (whether tourist, regional, commuter or freight): railway=station Disused/abandoned stations, with buildings present: railway:historic=station Abandoned, former station site, no buildings, little to see: railway:historic=station_site In all cases, the name of the station object should just be, eg, Thompson. Not: Thompson (former) Not: Thompson (disused) Not: Thompson Railway Station In addition, a station building may be tagged as: building=station (But one of the above should also be present - either on the building polygon or not.) Active rail (commuter, freight, regional): railway=rail Tourist rail railway=preserved Disused, but tracks still present and conceivably services could return: railway=disused Tracks removed, or state is pretty far gone. railway=abandoned Thoughts? To see where we're at, I've done a quick replica of this well known rail map of Victoria: http://i.imgur.com/ohXHwsk.png http://emscycletours.site44.com/rail.html Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Making Garmin IMG for Bushwalking - Insanity starts
Hi In the wonderful vague world that is OSM I am attempting to make maps for my Garmin 62s optimized for bushwalking. I have raised this issue a few time but not much luck but decided to be pig headed and not let this beat me as more than a few people have become enthusiast about OSM only to become disillusion when they actually try to use it in the bush. We have the excellent site OSM Australia that for vehicle users generates very sensibly sized IMG for each state. I use their routeable maps on the Garmin 62s and the 2Km minor roads ones on my Fenix and have for a friend loaded them on his Extrex 10. But they do not have contours. I have obtained and loaded on more than a few Garmins the Contour Australia 5M. Then I overlay the IMG from OSM Australia but frankly this is a clumsy solution for many people as the OSM Australian site IMG have poor zoom level set for bushwalkers and you do not get colour coded elevation shading. So I have been reading up on mkgmap and struck as usual the standard array of Wikipedia entries that go around in circles with the reader needing to make numerous assumptions and follow links and at the end of this maze either given up or some how figure out what needs to happen. Then I stumbled across http://thebird.nl/tutorials/osm_garmin.html, that while for Linux, explains the concepts so light has started to dawn. My biggest issue is I use Telstra's mobile phone network to connect to the internet and this means very expensive data costs. So I am rather keen to minimize downloads. Ideally if the project works I would not mind if OSM Australia could generate the maps but first I need to workout how to do it myself and get others to use them before troubling the site owner. Ok the first step is getting the OSM data. I am aware that http://download.geofabrik.de/ provides .pbf files but for Australia it is 145MB. Bit much of a download for a mobile phone given that I am looking to update Tassie every week or so as I am still madly mapping under the name Ent. So step one is, getting .pbf files for just Tassie to begin with. I cannot find anything that will do this. I am aware that OSM will export small sections in an alternative format but will not do the whole state. The reason for the whole state is about about every second weekend I can be walking anywhere in Tassie so would like to have all the state loaded so I can test it out with worrying about getting the exact section right as plans change often when we get in the car. So does anyone know where I will find a site to download a pdf format file for Tassie and more importantly how to do this. Thanks in advance. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Vicmap data released on data.gov.au
Sweet, very exciting and willing to lend a hand in the import process. Also have a few contacts in Vicmap, and will email Nyall Dawson directly. What tools are available for importing data (and removing duplicates) Li. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:00 PM, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. Vicmap data released on data.gov.au (Nyall Dawson) 2. Re: Vicmap data released on data.gov.au (Ian Sergeant) 3. Re: Vicmap data released on data.gov.au (Paul Norman) 4. Re: Vicmap data released on data.gov.au (Nyall Dawson) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 09:27:15 +1000 From: Nyall Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] Vicmap data released on data.gov.au Message-ID: CAB28AsgZPt3Dw4WAuwRSYA_Jm=x+3v428= v7mifeedxbger...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, I'm not sure if this has been raised yet, but in the last week the entire VicMap dataset was released on data.vic.gov.au under a CC-Attribution 3.0 license. This includes the entire address [1], roads [2], parcel boundaries [3], and administration boundaries [4] for Victoria. I gather by http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission that we're OK to use data from data.gov.au for OSM. Does anyone know if this is still the case, and if so, how we could go about getting this data into osm? I'm willing to do any hard work required, but don't want to duplicate effort and first want to see if there's already any ongoing discussion about this data release. Regards, Nyall Dawson 1. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/address-vicmap-address/748 2. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/road-network-vicmap-transport/4877 3. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/parcel-view-vicmap-property/2038 4. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/locality-boundaries-property-polygon-vicmap-admin/2043 http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/local-government-area-boundaries-property-polygon-vicmap-admin/2039 -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 10:09:54 +1000 From: Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com To: Nyall Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.com Cc: OSM - Talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Vicmap data released on data.gov.au Message-ID: calda4yjby0bzvngqvkr3j91lzonefgu8p0x7fewr7exrtuh...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 We should send an email to the data owner to seek permission under our contributor terms. I don't think there is any relationship between data.vic.gov.au and data.gov.au, so I don't see how any permission we have is relevant to this. Ian. On 8 July 2013 09:27, Nyall Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm not sure if this has been raised yet, but in the last week the entire VicMap dataset was released on data.vic.gov.au under a CC-Attribution 3.0 license. This includes the entire address [1], roads [2], parcel boundaries [3], and administration boundaries [4] for Victoria. I gather by http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission that we're OK to use data from data.gov.au for OSM. Does anyone know if this is still the case, and if so, how we could go about getting this data into osm? I'm willing to do any hard work required, but don't want to duplicate effort and first want to see if there's already any ongoing discussion about this data release. Regards, Nyall Dawson 1. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/address-vicmap-address/748 2. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/road-network-vicmap-transport/4877 3. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/parcel-view-vicmap-property/2038 4. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/locality-boundaries-property-polygon-vicmap-admin/2043 http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/local-government-area-boundaries-property-polygon-vicmap-admin/2039 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20130708/b953cea8/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2013 17:28:03 -0700 From: Paul Norman penor...@mac.com
Re: [talk-au] Vicmap data released on data.gov.au
Hi Nyall, Yeah I'm quite interested to know more about this. I gather the Spatial DataMart has been around a while, so is the difference that they've published it on data.vic.gov.au and made it accessible to the public? Or is it the licensing that has changed? Might be worth having a meetup to discuss what we can do with all this data. Steve On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Nyall Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.com wrote: All we need from them is a statement that a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database, Derivative Database, or the Database as part of a Collective Database, and that it is available under this License (ODbL 4.3) meets the requirements of a notice reasonable to the medium. Basically, that the attribution required by the ODbL is enough. Some cities have viewed CC BY's reasonable to the medium to mean every data source needs to be credited directly on a web map. Great -- this is exactly what I needed to know. I've attempted to get in contact with the appropriate person at data.vic.gov.au, I'll report back here how this goes. Cheers, Nyall Dawson ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Vicmap data released on data.gov.au
On 9 July 2013 13:51, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nyall, Yeah I'm quite interested to know more about this. I gather the Spatial DataMart has been around a while, so is the difference that they've published it on data.vic.gov.au and made it accessible to the public? Or is it the licensing that has changed? Actually it's both - previously DataMart was only accessible by authorised users. The CC-BY license is new too.. (although I'm not sure exactly what license the data used to be under, it definitely wasn't a free license like this). Might be worth having a meetup to discuss what we can do with all this data. I'm keen for this. My request has been forwarded to the DTF, so I'll hopefully have some more info when they get back to me. Cheers, Nyall ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Historic stations and rail
Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm not sure if this has been raised yet, but in the last week the entire VicMap dataset was released on data.vic.gov.au under a CC-Attribution 3.0 license. This includes the entire address [1], roads [2], parcel boundaries [3], and administration boundaries [4] for Victoria. I gather by http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission that we're OK to use data from data.gov.au for OSM. Does anyone know if this is still the case, and if so, how we could go about getting this data into osm? I'm willing to do any hard work required, but don't want to duplicate effort and first want to see if there's already any ongoing discussion about this data release. Regards, Nyall Dawson 1. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/address-vicmap-address/748 2. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/road-network-vicmap-transport/4877 3. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/parcel-view-vicmap-property/2038 4. http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/locality-boundaries-property-polygon-vicmap-admin/2043 http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/local-government-area-boundaries-property-polygon-vicmap-admin/2039 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20130708/b953cea8/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2013 17:28:03 -0700 From: Paul Norman penor...@mac.com To: 'Nyall Dawson' nyall.daw...@gmail.com, talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Vicmap data released on data.gov.au Message-ID: 118d01ce7b72$034b0760$09e11620$@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Nyall Dawson [mailto:nyall.daw...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 4:27 PM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] Vicmap data released on data.gov.au Hi all, I'm not sure if this has been raised yet, but in the last week the entire VicMap dataset was released on data.vic.gov.au under a CC- Attribution 3.0 license. This includes the entire address [1], roads [2], parcel boundaries [3], and administration boundaries [4] for Victoria. I gather by http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_perm ission that we're OK to use data from data.gov.au for OSM. Does anyone know if this is still the case, and if so, how we could go about getting this data into osm? I'm willing to do any hard work required, but don't want to duplicate effort and first want to see if there's already any ongoing discussion about this data release. All we need from them is a statement that a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database, Derivative Database, or the Database as part of a Collective Database, and that it is available under this License (ODbL 4.3) meets the requirements of a notice reasonable to the medium. Basically, that the attribution required by the ODbL is enough. Some cities have viewed CC BY's reasonable to the medium to mean every data source needs to be credited directly on a web map. -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 13:43:22 +1000 From: Nyall Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.com To: Paul Norman penor...@mac.com Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Vicmap data released on data.gov.au Message-ID: CAB28AsiQZ2TwdLP-pqJqTTOCWEkfnYSMthb= amzn2_uystz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All we need from them is a statement that a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database, Derivative Database, or the Database as part of a Collective Database, and that it is available under this License (ODbL 4.3) meets the requirements of a notice reasonable to the medium. Basically, that the attribution required by the ODbL is enough. Some cities have viewed CC BY's reasonable to the medium to mean every data source needs to be credited directly on a web map. Great -- this is exactly what I needed to know. I've attempted to get in contact with the appropriate person at data.vic.gov.au, I'll report back here how this goes. Cheers, Nyall Dawson -- ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au End of Talk-au Digest, Vol 73, Issue 5
