Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
On 13/08/19 10:02, David Wales wrote: I mainly do it if I need a break from adding useful data... And it makes the map look pretty. Also, could it be useful for fire fighters? It is useful for fire-fighters here, there is even a movement to place signs on the street to indicate where they are, just like fire hydrants. As for 'colouring-in' yes there are vast areas of blankness. I'd adding farmyards at the moment .. there are 100s of square kilometres of them all blank at present. It does at lest give some indication that there is not nothing there. Once I get bored with it I'll go back and add the bits of trees and scrub and also homesteads and bits of natural=water (reservoir where I can determine it). On 13 August 2019 9:50:01 am AEST, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 13/8/19 09:22, Ian Sergeant wrote: For OSM it's nothing more than a colouring-in exercise. Once again it depends on what use you think the data is going to be used for. If you're interested in selling tennis court maintenance services then it's useful information. Maybe you're interested in the spatial distribution of tennis courts and their relationship to polo grounds? I agree with Andrew that marking a building next to a private swimming pool as anything other than "building=yes", almost always calls for pure speculation. Whether it's a pool shed, cabana or outside dunny. Unless source=survey ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
I mainly do it if I need a break from adding useful data... And it makes the map look pretty. Also, could it be useful for fire fighters? On 13 August 2019 9:50:01 am AEST, Andrew Davidson wrote: >On 13/8/19 09:22, Ian Sergeant wrote: >> For OSM it's nothing more than a colouring-in exercise. > >Once again it depends on what use you think the data is going to be >used >for. If you're interested in selling tennis court maintenance services >then it's useful information. Maybe you're interested in the spatial >distribution of tennis courts and their relationship to polo grounds? > >> I agree with Andrew that marking a building next to a private >swimming pool >> as anything other than "building=yes", almost always calls for pure >> speculation. Whether it's a pool shed, cabana or outside dunny. > >Unless source=survey > >___ >Talk-au mailing list >Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
On 13/8/19 09:22, Ian Sergeant wrote: For OSM it's nothing more than a colouring-in exercise. Once again it depends on what use you think the data is going to be used for. If you're interested in selling tennis court maintenance services then it's useful information. Maybe you're interested in the spatial distribution of tennis courts and their relationship to polo grounds? I agree with Andrew that marking a building next to a private swimming pool as anything other than "building=yes", almost always calls for pure speculation. Whether it's a pool shed, cabana or outside dunny. Unless source=survey ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
On 13/8/19 08:59, Sebastian S. wrote: I've also been mapping pools occasionally. Thinking about it I'm actually not sure what the value for the map could be but they stand out a lot on good quality aerial images. Mapping them is probably adding about the same amount of value to the map as mapping residential building outlines. Doesn't really do very much for navigation, but might be useful to someone researching housing density and the ownership of backyard pools. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
In my view - the reason apple is mapping private tennis courts, is not because it actually sees a benefit in mapping peoples backyard, it's because it's using a level of automation that recognises them. For OSM it's nothing more than a colouring-in exercise. I agree with Andrew that marking a building next to a private swimming pool as anything other than "building=yes", almost always calls for pure speculation. Whether it's a pool shed, cabana or outside dunny. Ian. On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 08:25, David Wales wrote: > I think in this day and age, we can't really consider anything private > if it's visible from space... > > Apple appears to be mapping backyard tennis courts now. > https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps > > Just make sure that you tag them as access=private ! > > On 12/8/19 7:58 pm, Warin wrote: > > On 12/08/19 19:46, Benjamin Ceravolo wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I've been tracing in residential swimming pools and I have not as yet > >> found an appropriate tagging for the small poolside buildings that > >> (from my experience); may have an area to get changed and to store > >> pool-toys, chemicals and other pool care items. > >> > >> My current guess is just to mark it as: building=yes > >> > >> If there are any other tags I have missed or if I'm just being blind > >> and missing something obvious, I would like to hear your > >> option/response. > > > > Caution: there are some who object to 'private' things being mapped. > > > > These buildings my have toilets and showers too, tags exist for these. > > I would like a tag for changing rooms, some sports venues have them, > > some beach side buildings have them. Amenity=changing_rooms? > > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-au mailing list > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
I've also been mapping pools occasionally. Thinking about it I'm actually not sure what the value for the map could be but they stand out a lot on good quality aerial images. access=private for sure. On 13 August 2019 8:23:08 am AEST, David Wales wrote: >I think in this day and age, we can't really consider anything private >if it's visible from space... > >Apple appears to be mapping backyard tennis courts now. >https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps > >Just make sure that you tag them as access=private ! > >On 12/8/19 7:58 pm, Warin wrote: >> On 12/08/19 19:46, Benjamin Ceravolo wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I've been tracing in residential swimming pools and I have not as >yet >>> found an appropriate tagging for the small poolside buildings that >>> (from my experience); may have an area to get changed and to store >>> pool-toys, chemicals and other pool care items. >>> >>> My current guess is just to mark it as: building=yes >>> >>> If there are any other tags I have missed or if I'm just being blind >>> and missing something obvious, I would like to hear your >>> option/response. >> >> Caution: there are some who object to 'private' things being mapped. >> >> These buildings my have toilets and showers too, tags exist for >these. >> I would like a tag for changing rooms, some sports venues have them, >> some beach side buildings have them. Amenity=changing_rooms? >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
I think in this day and age, we can't really consider anything private if it's visible from space... Apple appears to be mapping backyard tennis courts now. https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps Just make sure that you tag them as access=private ! On 12/8/19 7:58 pm, Warin wrote: > On 12/08/19 19:46, Benjamin Ceravolo wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've been tracing in residential swimming pools and I have not as yet >> found an appropriate tagging for the small poolside buildings that >> (from my experience); may have an area to get changed and to store >> pool-toys, chemicals and other pool care items. >> >> My current guess is just to mark it as: building=yes >> >> If there are any other tags I have missed or if I'm just being blind >> and missing something obvious, I would like to hear your >> option/response. > > Caution: there are some who object to 'private' things being mapped. > > These buildings my have toilets and showers too, tags exist for these. > I would like a tag for changing rooms, some sports venues have them, > some beach side buildings have them. Amenity=changing_rooms? > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
Thanks for that information I will defiantly work on implementing those. Thanks, Ben. On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 21:09, Michael Collinson wrote: > I usually mark all residential buildings, including the main house or > strata building, as building=residential. I feel it useful but safe. I > usually map in Sweden where planning regulations encourage a plethora of > out-buildings whose use is difficult to judge from imagery: garages, spare > rooms, wood-sheds, saunas, children's play rooms, yada yada. When I am > unsure if a building is actually part of a residential plot, then I go for > building=yes and can check them out on visits. > > Mike > On 2019-08-12 11:46, Benjamin Ceravolo wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been tracing in residential swimming pools and I have not as yet > found an appropriate tagging for the small poolside buildings that (from my > experience); may have an area to get changed and to store pool-toys, > chemicals and other pool care items. > > My current guess is just to mark it as: building=yes > > If there are any other tags I have missed or if I'm just being blind and > missing something obvious, I would like to hear your option/response. > > Thanks, Ben. > > ___ > Talk-au mailing > listTalk-au@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
I usually mark all residential buildings, including the main house or strata building, as building=residential. I feel it useful but safe. I usually map in Sweden where planning regulations encourage a plethora of out-buildings whose use is difficult to judge from imagery: garages, spare rooms, wood-sheds, saunas, children's play rooms, yada yada. When I am unsure if a building is actually part of a residential plot, then I go for building=yes and can check them out on visits. Mike On 2019-08-12 11:46, Benjamin Ceravolo wrote: Hi all, I've been tracing in residential swimming pools and I have not as yet found an appropriate tagging for the small poolside buildings that (from my experience); may have an area to get changed and to store pool-toys, chemicals and other pool care items. My current guess is just to mark it as: building=yes If there are any other tags I have missed or if I'm just being blind and missing something obvious, I would like to hear your option/response. Thanks, Ben. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 20:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 12/08/19 19:46, Benjamin Ceravolo wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've been tracing in residential swimming pools Please use access=private on those that aren't open to the public. > > and I have not as yet > > found an appropriate tagging for the small poolside buildings that > > (from my experience); may have an area to get changed and to store > > pool-toys, chemicals and other pool care items. > > > > My current guess is just to mark it as: building=yes > I'm not sure how you'd know that from aerial imagery, and given it's not possible to survey this you could just use building=yes (I think it would be wrong to make a guess, it would be better to use the generic/unknown building=yes). > If there are any other tags I have missed or if I'm just being blind > > and missing something obvious, I would like to hear your option/response. > > Caution: there are some who object to 'private' things being mapped. > > These buildings my have toilets and showers too, tags exist for these. > I would like a tag for changing rooms, some sports venues have them, > some beach side buildings have them. Amenity=changing_rooms? > I don't think a residential facility in someones backyard should ever be mapped as a change room, it's impossible to verify or know this. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddressing_room is the correct tag for change rooms at beaches etc. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
On 12/08/19 19:46, Benjamin Ceravolo wrote: Hi all, I've been tracing in residential swimming pools and I have not as yet found an appropriate tagging for the small poolside buildings that (from my experience); may have an area to get changed and to store pool-toys, chemicals and other pool care items. My current guess is just to mark it as: building=yes If there are any other tags I have missed or if I'm just being blind and missing something obvious, I would like to hear your option/response. Caution: there are some who object to 'private' things being mapped. These buildings my have toilets and showers too, tags exist for these. I would like a tag for changing rooms, some sports venues have them, some beach side buildings have them. Amenity=changing_rooms? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Residential Poolside Building
Hi all, I've been tracing in residential swimming pools and I have not as yet found an appropriate tagging for the small poolside buildings that (from my experience); may have an area to get changed and to store pool-toys, chemicals and other pool care items. My current guess is just to mark it as: building=yes If there are any other tags I have missed or if I'm just being blind and missing something obvious, I would like to hear your option/response. Thanks, Ben. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
