Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

[Sam Wilson]

Thanks everyone, this is interesting.

There's not much activity on the Australia forum 
 these days, but I 
notice that there's a possibility of a new thing, using Discourse: 
https://community.openstreetmap.org/latest 
 (it's said it's coming soon 
for quite a while now...).



On 14/1/22 1:55 pm, Dean Scott wrote:


Hi all,

In reply to previous messages regarding the OSM Discord Server, I can 
just clarify some further details:


1) Conversations stay there forever unless the specific channel is 
removed or messages deleted by admin. And conversations in a "thread" 
are archived but still easily accessible to read those messages.


2) The Discord server is kinda like the “official” server but not 
listed anywhere if being official. The only thing that makes it acting 
like the main server is because it is partnered with discord showing 
it is a verified and is the largest server related to the topic (being 
OSM)


If you have any questions regarding the Discord server in particular 
the #oceania channel, I can answer those questions for you if requested


Regards
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*From:*Phil Wyatt 
*Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2022 1:03:56 PM
*To:* 'Graeme Fitzpatrick' ; 'Sam Wilson' 
; 'OSM-Au' 

*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

Hi Folks,

The discord channel is a bit more chatty but I am not sure if old 
conversations are archived. It’s a great place to get tagging advice 
etc and its also a good place to get information from an international 
perspective. I would still use the mailing list for anything specific 
to Australia.


There is also an informal OSGEO Oceania Slack channel which may be of 
interest to some folks (less OSM and more regional focus). You can 
join here - 
https://maptimeoceania.slack.com/join/shared_invite/enQtNDU3MTU3ODkyMjU2LThiMWU4MjZjNjM0ZWRiMWZlNWE2OTZjYjM0ZTMzZDEwMzc5MTAzN2Q2MzMyZDMzYTMwNjc5NGIxYjY4MDRiMjM#/shared-invite/email 



Cheers - Phil

*From:*Graeme Fitzpatrick 
*Sent:* Friday, 14 January 2022 11:50 AM
*To:* Sam Wilson ; OSM-Au 
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?


On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 10:31, Sam Wilson > wrote:


And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related
discussion is happening elsewhere other than this list?

I'm curious about that as well?

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

[osm.talk-au]

History is being kept and is searchable on Discord.

 

From: Phil Wyatt  
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2022 13:04
To: 'Graeme Fitzpatrick' ; 'Sam Wilson' 
; 'OSM-Au' 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

 

Hi Folks,

 

The discord channel is a bit more chatty but I am not sure if old conversations 
are archived. It’s a great place to get tagging advice etc and its also a good 
place to get information from an international perspective. I would still use 
the mailing list for anything specific to Australia.

 

There is also an informal OSGEO Oceania Slack channel which may be of interest 
to some folks (less OSM and more regional focus). You can join here -  

 
https://maptimeoceania.slack.com/join/shared_invite/enQtNDU3MTU3ODkyMjU2LThiMWU4MjZjNjM0ZWRiMWZlNWE2OTZjYjM0ZTMzZDEwMzc5MTAzN2Q2MzMyZDMzYTMwNjc5NGIxYjY4MDRiMjM#/shared-invite/email

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

 

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <  
graemefi...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2022 11:50 AM
To: Sam Wilson <  s...@samwilson.id.au>; OSM-Au < 
 talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

 




 

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 10:31, Sam Wilson mailto:s...@samwilson.id.au> > wrote:

And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related discussion is 
happening elsewhere other than this list?

I'm curious about that as well?

 

Thanks

 

Graeme

 

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Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

[Dean Scott]

Hi all,
In reply to previous messages regarding the OSM Discord Server, I can just 
clarify some further details:

1) Conversations stay there forever unless the specific channel is removed or 
messages deleted by admin. And conversations in a "thread" are archived but 
still easily accessible to read those messages.

2) The Discord server is kinda like the “official” server but not listed 
anywhere if being official. The only thing that makes it acting like the main 
server is because it is partnered with discord showing it is a verified and is 
the largest server related to the topic (being OSM)

If you have any questions regarding the Discord server in particular the 
#oceania channel, I can answer those questions for you if requested

Regards
Dean Scott
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Scottie0001


From: Phil Wyatt 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 1:03:56 PM
To: 'Graeme Fitzpatrick' ; 'Sam Wilson' 
; 'OSM-Au' 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?


Hi Folks,



The discord channel is a bit more chatty but I am not sure if old conversations 
are archived. It’s a great place to get tagging advice etc and its also a good 
place to get information from an international perspective. I would still use 
the mailing list for anything specific to Australia.



There is also an informal OSGEO Oceania Slack channel which may be of interest 
to some folks (less OSM and more regional focus). You can join here - 
https://maptimeoceania.slack.com/join/shared_invite/enQtNDU3MTU3ODkyMjU2LThiMWU4MjZjNjM0ZWRiMWZlNWE2OTZjYjM0ZTMzZDEwMzc5MTAzN2Q2MzMyZDMzYTMwNjc5NGIxYjY4MDRiMjM#/shared-invite/email



Cheers - Phil







From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2022 11:50 AM
To: Sam Wilson ; OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?






On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 10:31, Sam Wilson 
mailto:s...@samwilson.id.au>> wrote:

And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related discussion is 
happening elsewhere other than this list?

I'm curious about that as well?



Thanks



Graeme


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Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Folks,

 

The discord channel is a bit more chatty but I am not sure if old conversations 
are archived. It’s a great place to get tagging advice etc and its also a good 
place to get information from an international perspective. I would still use 
the mailing list for anything specific to Australia.

 

There is also an informal OSGEO Oceania Slack channel which may be of interest 
to some folks (less OSM and more regional focus). You can join here - 
https://maptimeoceania.slack.com/join/shared_invite/enQtNDU3MTU3ODkyMjU2LThiMWU4MjZjNjM0ZWRiMWZlNWE2OTZjYjM0ZTMzZDEwMzc5MTAzN2Q2MzMyZDMzYTMwNjc5NGIxYjY4MDRiMjM#/shared-invite/email

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

 

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick  
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2022 11:50 AM
To: Sam Wilson ; OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

 




 

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 10:31, Sam Wilson mailto:s...@samwilson.id.au> > wrote:

And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related discussion is 
happening elsewhere other than this list?

I'm curious about that as well?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

[Luke Stewart]

Hi Graeme,

Discord is a text and voice chat platform, like Slack, Skype, or other
platforms. "OpenStreetMap World" is the name of the server, although to my
knowledge it isn't "official" in any sense. (some other servers are listed
on the wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Discord). There's just
over 2,800 members on this server.

The oceania channel has conversations specific to mapping in Australia &
the Pacific, however due to a small number of members the conversation
focuses on Australia most of the time.

Anyone is welcome to join and participate; essentially it is more of a
real-time "how do I tag this", rather than reaching out to the mailing list
anytime there is confusion, as well as containing other conversation.
However it is *not *intended or designed to be a replacement of mailing
lists or anything, but just another communication channel where mappers can
communicate.

Cheers,
Luke

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 11:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
>
>
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 10:31, Sam Wilson  wrote:
>
>> And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related discussion is
>> happening elsewhere other than this list?
>>
> I'm curious about that as well?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 10:31, Sam Wilson  wrote:

> And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related discussion is
> happening elsewhere other than this list?
>
I'm curious about that as well?

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

[Sam Wilson]

Ah that makes sense, thanks! It's let me in now.

On 14/1/22 8:38 am, Luke Stewart wrote:

Hi Sam,

The channel by default is locked unless you select the oceania role in 
the #rules-and-roles channel near the top of the list. Once you select 
that you should be able to view and participate.


Cheers,
Luke

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 11:31, Sam Wilson > wrote:


The recent posts about bus stops have included a bunch of links to
an OSM Discord server , but I'm
a bit confused because it seems that there's a (locked?) channel
called #oceania, which it seems to not want to let me see. (I'm
not really a very active Discord user so sorry if I'm missing
something obvious).

And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related
discussion is happening elsewhere other than this list?

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Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

[Luke Stewart]

Hi Sam,

The channel by default is locked unless you select the oceania role in the
#rules-and-roles channel near the top of the list. Once you select that you
should be able to view and participate.

Cheers,
Luke

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 11:31, Sam Wilson  wrote:

> The recent posts about bus stops have included a bunch of links to an OSM
> Discord server , but I'm a bit confused
> because it seems that there's a (locked?) channel called #oceania, which it
> seems to not want to let me see. (I'm not really a very active Discord user
> so sorry if I'm missing something obvious).
>
> And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related discussion is
> happening elsewhere other than this list?
>
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Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of Australia.

[Nick Hocking]

Hi Anthony,

One reason I can see for discussing this edit here, before doing it, is in
regard to the cases where the platform tag already exists on an area close
to the bus stop node.

If this edit had not been reverted then the question would be, who will
clean up the mess of the duplicate tags.

If you do get consensus to redo this edit then one question will be, How
are you going to handle the cases where the tag is already present on an
adjacent object?
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[talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

[Sam Wilson]

The recent posts about bus stops have included a bunch of links to an 
OSM Discord server , but I'm a bit 
confused because it seems that there's a (locked?) channel called 
#oceania, which it seems to not want to let me see. (I'm not really a 
very active Discord user so sorry if I'm missing something obvious).


And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related discussion is 
happening elsewhere other than this list?


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Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of Australia.

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 18:20,  wrote:

> Warin,
>
>
>
> nobody says that the tagging isn’t correct for cases where the bus_stop
> node is the only thing there is.
>
>
>
> But please look at:
>
>
>
>
> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931073576893825064/unknown.png
>
>
>
> This is a relatively normal bus stop. It clearly DOES have a distinct
> platform. In which case the platform should be tagged on the area.
>
>
>
> Even if someone decides that’s too much work and decides to only to map
> the bus_stop node and throw the platform tag onto that, that’s fine as long
> as it happens on a case by case basis.
>

When mapping bus stops, I've always put the dot of the node on the tactile
strip (when visible) which is where the bus is supposed to stop. Is that
correct?

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Response from one of the blokes on MySwag (who much prefers quiet deserted
gravel over busy bitumen roads! :-)):




*Brilliant !Shall explore that one further.I did similar across Tas, from
St Helens to Campania over several days which was fun.I'm looking at maps
and planning a trip from the head waters to the outfall of a major
Victorian river for when all this Covid stuff is over. *

Thanks

Graeme


On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 19:36,  wrote:

> Ian
>
> I showed my friends, their response was: "when do we start?"
>
> Tony
>
> >  Hi folks, for everyone interested in OpenStreetMap's fantastic road
> data…
> > I've just posted a series of blogs about unsealed roads in Victoria. I've
> > pitched it at cyclists rather than mappers to widen the audience, but you
> > should still find lots of interest I hope.
> >
> >
> https://little-maps.com/2022/01/12/the-great-vic-gravel-route-exploring-victoria-on-unsealed-roads/
> >
> > It starts with the question, how far can you ride across Victoria without
> > hitting a paved road? Then displays Victoria's major 'gravel zones', and
> > plots the route that crosses Victoria from west to east which contains
> the
> > shortest possible distance of paved roads. It's very circuitous.
> >
> > A series of supplementary posts expand on the main theme and describe how
> > the maps and routes were made. I hope you find it interesting. Best
> wishes
> > Ian
> >
>
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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 175, Issue 15

[Anthony Panozzo]

it is 'required'.

Personally I see platforms for trains, wharf? for ferries and usually
nothing for buses.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 19:36:37 +1100
From: Andrew Harvey 
To: OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all
of Australia.
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

On behalf of the DWG, I'll revert the changeset in question due to the
undiscussed automated edit, especially because this was flagged as an
automated edit to the contributor prior to making the change and a
discussion didn't take place before the upload
https://discord.com/channels/413070382636072960/471231032645910529/931056454230745158.
Happy to continue the community discussion on the merits of the change.

on behalf of the DWG,
Andrew Harvey

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 17:53,  wrote:

> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398
>
> To quote my changeset comment:
>
> This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct is
> introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and should be
> reverted.
>
> public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every
> highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's mapped.
>
> If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the
> public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.
>
> see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses
>
>
>
>
> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931071450926964786/unknown.png
>
>
> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931072496403370014/unknown.png
>
>
> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931073576893825064/unknown.png
>
>
>
> Opinions?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
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From: fors...@ozonline.com.au
To: Little Maps 
Cc: OSM Aust Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria
Message-ID: <20220113203252.52ycsj000w4oo...@horde.ozonline.com.au>
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format="flowed"

Ian

I showed my friends, their response was: "when do we start?"

Tony

>  Hi folks, for everyone interested in OpenStreetMap's fantastic road data???
> I've just posted a series of blogs about unsealed roads in Victoria. I've
> pitched it at cyclists rather than mappers to widen the audience, but you
> should still find lots of interest I hope.
>
> https://little-maps.com/2022/01/12/the-great-vic-gravel-route-exploring-victoria-on-unsealed-roads/
>
> It starts with the question, how far can you ride across Victoria without
> hitting a paved road? Then displays Victoria's major 'gravel zones', and
> plots the route that crosses Victoria from west to east which contains the
> shortest possible distance of paved roads. It's very circuitous.
>
> A series of supplementary posts expand on the main theme and describe how
> the maps and routes were made. I hope you find it interesting. Best wishes
> Ian
>







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Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria

[forster]

Ian

I showed my friends, their response was: "when do we start?"

Tony


 Hi folks, for everyone interested in OpenStreetMap's fantastic road data…
I've just posted a series of blogs about unsealed roads in Victoria. I've
pitched it at cyclists rather than mappers to widen the audience, but you
should still find lots of interest I hope.

https://little-maps.com/2022/01/12/the-great-vic-gravel-route-exploring-victoria-on-unsealed-roads/

It starts with the question, how far can you ride across Victoria without
hitting a paved road? Then displays Victoria's major 'gravel zones', and
plots the route that crosses Victoria from west to east which contains the
shortest possible distance of paved roads. It's very circuitous.

A series of supplementary posts expand on the main theme and describe how
the maps and routes were made. I hope you find it interesting. Best wishes
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Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of Australia.

[Andrew Harvey]

On behalf of the DWG, I'll revert the changeset in question due to the
undiscussed automated edit, especially because this was flagged as an
automated edit to the contributor prior to making the change and a
discussion didn't take place before the upload
https://discord.com/channels/413070382636072960/471231032645910529/931056454230745158.
Happy to continue the community discussion on the merits of the change.

on behalf of the DWG,
Andrew Harvey

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 17:53,  wrote:

> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398
>
> To quote my changeset comment:
>
> This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct is
> introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and should be
> reverted.
>
> public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every
> highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's mapped.
>
> If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the
> public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.
>
> see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses
>
>
>
>
> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931071450926964786/unknown.png
>
>
> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931072496403370014/unknown.png
>
>
> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931073576893825064/unknown.png
>
>
>
> Opinions?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of Australia.

[osm.talk-au]

Warin,

 

nobody says that the tagging isn't correct for cases where the bus_stop node
is the only thing there is.

 

But please look at:

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931072496403370014
/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931073576893825064
/unknown.png

 

This is a relatively normal bus stop. It clearly DOES have a distinct
platform. In which case the platform should be tagged on the area. 

 

Even if someone decides that's too much work and decides to only to map the
bus_stop node and throw the platform tag onto that, that's fine as long as
it happens on a case by case basis.

 

The issue is that this is an automated mass edit, where the user loaded all
highway=bus_stop nodes in Australia into JOSM via an overpass query, then
unconditionally added the platform tag to all of them (even ones that might
have already tagged a platform on an area close by), and committed these
changes.

 

Furthermore, the user in question was specifically pointed to the Automated
Edit Code of Conduct before making that change and wilfully ignored the
process:

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931094389407768607
/unknown.png

 

Cheers,

Thorsten

 

From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 17:38
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of
Australia.

 

 

On 13/1/22 5:47 pm, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
  wrote:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398

To quote my changeset comment:

This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct is
introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and should be
reverted.

public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every
highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's mapped. 




If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the
public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.

see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses

 

Umm from the above page 

"If there is no real platform and you will only find a simple sign for the
passengers .
Add a node node at the location of the bus stop sign. It gets following
tags:

public_transport=platform
highway=bus_stop
name= or ref=
optional: additional tags like shelter=yes/no, bench=yes/no, bin=yes/no,
etc."

 

In most instances in Australia all there is is a 'bus stop sign' and shelter
with bench if your lucky. So in the majority of cases the tagging would be
correct. 

 

---

I think this came about from 'public transport version 2'. I don't know if
it is 'required'. 

Personally I see platforms for trains, wharf? for ferries and usually
nothing for buses.  

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