Re: [talk-au] Australian Road Review by littlemaps
Thanks for the clarification Ian. Keep up the great work. On 22/06/2021 7:27 pm, Little Maps wrote: Hi Warren, thanks for your feedback. You sent me back to my computer to re-check some numbers. Remember that the 57,828 kms in the blog post only includes OSM highway tags from highway=motorway to highway=tertiary. Other road types, including highway=unclassified, track, residential etc, are not included in the totals. I just ran some Overpass Turbo queries to calculate the total length of other road classes in WA, and this what you get: OSM ROAD CLASS DISTANCE (km) CUMULATIVE TOTALS Motorway to tertiary 57,828 (as in blog) 57,828 Unclassified 87,195 145,023 Track 77,339 222,362 If you add motorways to tertiary plus unclassified roads in OSM you get 145,023 kms. This is very close to the total length of roads that is not managed by DPAW, as you quoted from the WA Main Roads report: 147,676 km. In fact the difference is only 1.8%. In addition to this, there are 77,339 kms of highway=track in WA in OSM. This vastly exceeds the length of DPAW managed roads (National Parks, Forestry) that you quoted from the WA Main Roads report (38,333 km). (I assume that at least some of these "extra" tracks must be on private property?) It's difficult to compare the numbers any more closely than this, as Main Roads WA and OSM categorise roads in different ways. Thus, the total length of highway=motorway + trunk + primary + secondary + tertiary + track in WA in OSM = 222,362 km. The total length of roads that are and are not managed by DPAW that you quoted from the WA Main Roads report is 186,009 km. So I reckon OpenStreetMap is doing pretty well really, /especially /on unsealed roads. (Plus, about 20,000 kms of residential roads have also been mapped in WA, as well as other road types). Having said all that, I'm sure that extra roads will be added to OSM in WA and the NT, as you suggest. Northern Qld is probably in the same boat. However, the total length of these roads will be very minor compared to what's already been mapped. Anyhow, thanks for keeping me honest, I'm glad I didn't stuff the numbers up that badly! Best wishes Ian :) On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 6:54 PM Warren via Talk-au mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: An impressive effort Ian but I think you have underestimated the length of Roads in WA. From Main Roads WA report: Road length excluding DPAW managed roads = 147,676 DPAW managed Roads (National Parks, Forestry etc) = 38,333 Mappers in WA have a long way to go. I suspect a large percentage of the sealed roads have been mapped on OSM. The remainder are almost all unsealed. The NT may be in a similar position. Nonetheless an interesting report. Thanks for sharing. Warren ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Australian Road Review by littlemaps
An impressive effort Ian but I think you have underestimated the length of Roads in WA. From Main Roads WA report: Road length excluding DPAW managed roads = 147,676 DPAW managed Roads (National Parks, Forestry etc) = 38,333 Mappers in WA have a long way to go. I suspect a large percentage of the sealed roads have been mapped on OSM. The remainder are almost all unsealed. The NT may be in a similar position. Nonetheless an interesting report. Thanks for sharing. Warren ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How is the word "park" meant in Australian, English?
On 23/10/2020 9:26 am, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Subject: Re: [talk-au] How is the word "park" meant in Australian English? I would agree with Greg on this. I think a Park is a Natural or Recreational area within a city or Town. They can also be National Parks, but I think the vernacular is to use Park. Reserve is also fairly common within City or Town boundaries, be it a Sports Reserve or a Nature Reserve. Outside of a City or Town, the use is more National Park, Reserve or Wilderness Area. There will be some blurring of terminology. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 160, Issue 14
Please share with me John
Regards
Warren
On 21/10/2020 4:48 pm, John Bryant wrote:
Yes, agreed. At a quick look, the quality seems to be better in some
areas than others, some of the suburban areas of Perth come out pretty
well. Anyway, if it's useful to anyone, I now have a folder of ~1700
.osm files for all the suburbs in Perth, happy to share them if anyone
wants. I'll probably do some tinkering with them, as a JOSM learning
exercise.
Cheers
John
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 15:49, Warren <mailto:war...@specialtyfeeds.com.au>> wrote:
That was also my plan John. The Kings Park data set looks like a
perfect example. I can load that as a layer and compare the
existing OSM data in another layer. It is not that difficult to
select a number of building traces at a time and bring them in.
However the Kings Park data is already showing some
inconsistencies. For Example Fraser's Restaurant, circular
building is showing as orthogonal. Many of the other buildings
are also incorrect.
Oh well perhaps it is just another tool that can sometimes be useful.
Good effort anyway
On 21/10/2020 3:12 pm, John Bryant wrote:
Seems sensible to me, I'd personally be shying away from imports
without more knowledge of how that works. I was thinking about
biting off very small chunks (even suburbs may be too big for
this) and manually going over them, making sure to not overwrite
existing buildings, and checking them individually to make sure
they match up with relevant imagery. Is there a recommended
workflow for this?
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 15:02, Daniel O'Connor
mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just to flag a note of caution here - I'd recommend small
scale evaluations /only/ at this stage; or if you do bigger
test imports; in a sandbox environment.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sandbox_for_editing#Experiment_with_the_API_.28advanced.29
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sandbox_for_editing#Experiment_with_the_API_.28advanced.29>
If there is interest; later we can create a bunch of tasking
manager jobs for importing small chunks at a time; plus write
up the plan(s) as needed
On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 5:10 PM John Bryant
mailto:johnwbry...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Warren, I've split it out into .osm files for each of
the WA suburbs [1], see attached small example file for
King's Park. Does something like this work? I can drag
and drop them into JOSM, but I'm not 100% sure if they're
formatted or attributed correctly to be most useful.
Cheers
John
[1]
https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-6a0ec945-c880-4882-8a81-4dbcb85e74e5/details
<https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-6a0ec945-c880-4882-8a81-4dbcb85e74e5/details>
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 09:58, Warren
mailto:war...@specialtyfeeds.com.au>> wrote:
Hi John
I use JOSM. Any file format that I can bring in as
a layer would be fine. I can then select, copy and
paste the tracings into an active layer for upload,
checking as I go. Certainly faster than tracing by
hand.
I am not sure when JOSM get chocked by file size, but
say Perth or the South West of WA may be enough of a
reduction.
Thanks
On 21/10/2020 9:20 am, John Bryant wrote:
Hi Warren, I could probably help with this. What
would be a good size for a chunk? What would be a
useful format?
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:21, Warren
mailto:war...@specialtyfeeds.com.au>> wrote:
Hi
I am in the eastern suburbs of Perth where
minimal buildings have been
traced. I would be happy to check trace data in
my area, lets face it
hand tracing is not much fun and very time
consuming. I think some
inaccuracies are acceptable, they can be
modified as they become apparent.
The data at
https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints
<https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints>
is
much too large for me to handle.
Is someone more skillful than me able to break
this data set into bite
sized chunks?
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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 160, Issue 14
That was also my plan John. The Kings Park data set looks like a perfect example. I can load that as a layer and compare the existing OSM data in another layer. It is not that difficult to select a number of building traces at a time and bring them in. However the Kings Park data is already showing some inconsistencies. For Example Fraser's Restaurant, circular building is showing as orthogonal. Many of the other buildings are also incorrect. Oh well perhaps it is just another tool that can sometimes be useful. Good effort anyway On 21/10/2020 3:12 pm, John Bryant wrote: Seems sensible to me, I'd personally be shying away from imports without more knowledge of how that works. I was thinking about biting off very small chunks (even suburbs may be too big for this) and manually going over them, making sure to not overwrite existing buildings, and checking them individually to make sure they match up with relevant imagery. Is there a recommended workflow for this? On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 15:02, Daniel O'Connor mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com>> wrote: Just to flag a note of caution here - I'd recommend small scale evaluations /only/ at this stage; or if you do bigger test imports; in a sandbox environment. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sandbox_for_editing#Experiment_with_the_API_.28advanced.29 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sandbox_for_editing#Experiment_with_the_API_.28advanced.29> If there is interest; later we can create a bunch of tasking manager jobs for importing small chunks at a time; plus write up the plan(s) as needed On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 5:10 PM John Bryant mailto:johnwbry...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Warren, I've split it out into .osm files for each of the WA suburbs [1], see attached small example file for King's Park. Does something like this work? I can drag and drop them into JOSM, but I'm not 100% sure if they're formatted or attributed correctly to be most useful. Cheers John [1] https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-6a0ec945-c880-4882-8a81-4dbcb85e74e5/details <https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-6a0ec945-c880-4882-8a81-4dbcb85e74e5/details> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 09:58, Warren mailto:war...@specialtyfeeds.com.au>> wrote: Hi John I use JOSM. Any file format that I can bring in as a layer would be fine. I can then select, copy and paste the tracings into an active layer for upload, checking as I go. Certainly faster than tracing by hand. I am not sure when JOSM get chocked by file size, but say Perth or the South West of WA may be enough of a reduction. Thanks On 21/10/2020 9:20 am, John Bryant wrote: Hi Warren, I could probably help with this. What would be a good size for a chunk? What would be a useful format? On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:21, Warren mailto:war...@specialtyfeeds.com.au>> wrote: Hi I am in the eastern suburbs of Perth where minimal buildings have been traced. I would be happy to check trace data in my area, lets face it hand tracing is not much fun and very time consuming. I think some inaccuracies are acceptable, they can be modified as they become apparent. The data at https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints <https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints> is much too large for me to handle. Is someone more skillful than me able to break this data set into bite sized chunks? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 160, Issue 14
Hi John I use JOSM. Any file format that I can bring in as a layer would be fine. I can then select, copy and paste the tracings into an active layer for upload, checking as I go. Certainly faster than tracing by hand. I am not sure when JOSM get chocked by file size, but say Perth or the South West of WA may be enough of a reduction. Thanks On 21/10/2020 9:20 am, John Bryant wrote: Hi Warren, I could probably help with this. What would be a good size for a chunk? What would be a useful format? On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:21, Warren <mailto:war...@specialtyfeeds.com.au>> wrote: Hi I am in the eastern suburbs of Perth where minimal buildings have been traced. I would be happy to check trace data in my area, lets face it hand tracing is not much fun and very time consuming. I think some inaccuracies are acceptable, they can be modified as they become apparent. The data at https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints <https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints> is much too large for me to handle. Is someone more skillful than me able to break this data set into bite sized chunks? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 160, Issue 14
Hi I am in the eastern suburbs of Perth where minimal buildings have been traced. I would be happy to check trace data in my area, lets face it hand tracing is not much fun and very time consuming. I think some inaccuracies are acceptable, they can be modified as they become apparent. The data at https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints is much too large for me to handle. Is someone more skillful than me able to break this data set into bite sized chunks? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 116, Issue 11
Thank you all I have a clearer picture now. On 10/02/2017 8:00 PM, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: When is a Road a Track (David Bannon) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:55:31 +1100 From: David Bannon <dban...@internode.on.net> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] When is a Road a Track Message-ID: <eb0835cf-cc09-d908-1948-03ab945ac...@internode.on.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Do you mean without seeing them yourself Warren ? I personally think that you should only correct another mapper's work if you have personally seen something that needs correction. I am sure there are some exceptions. But here, in particular, you seem to have "negative" information. Its also worth remembering that highway= indicates the purpose of the road or track, a number of other tags indicate its condition. In theory .... David On 10/02/17 10:51, Warren wrote: I have asked this question before but did not really get a clear answer. I am working off the Western Australian Main Roads data checking against the OSM road attributes. Occasionally I come across lines that are classed in OSM as highway:unclassified or highway:residential that do not appear on the Main Roads data base. I would argue that these are named tracks rather than roads but I wanted to check others opinion. Do I leave them alone or change the classification to highway:track? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- End of Talk-au Digest, Vol 116, Issue 11 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] When is a Road a Track
I agree Eon4wd, my interest in OSM originated from my interest in bushwalking. Often we can make an educated guess of tracktype from an aerial image and knowledge of the general area. I suggest that if it is not clear you leave out the tracktype field, this implies unknown. My point was really: Do we accept the Main Roads Western Australia data as a list of officially recognised Roads ( highway = primary, residential, etc not = track or = path)? I accept the point that highway = unclassified could be appropriate for a road that does not appear on the data base. On 10/02/2017 12:13 PM, Eon4wd wrote: Hi Warren, Tracks are of particular interest to me. As a 4wder, I plan my travels according to the tracks and the 'grade' of the track in an area, thus getting them right is important to me. If highway = Track is used it really needs the additional 'grade' tags The Aust tagging guidelines is a good system see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines Tracks need to be driven before they can be correctly described. Armchair mapping has its place to identify that something maybe there, but the rest of the tags need to be correct as it dictates what type of 4wd is required to negotiate the track. Is it possible to tag that the grade is 'unknown' ? which is more helpful to me than nothing or an incorrect guess. Thanks Ian -Original Message- From: Warren [mailto:war...@specialtyfeeds.com.au] Sent: Friday, 10 February 2017 10:52 AM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] When is a Road a Track I have asked this question before but did not really get a clear answer. I am working off the Western Australian Main Roads data checking against the OSM road attributes. Occasionally I come across lines that are classed in OSM as highway:unclassified or highway:residential that do not appear on the Main Roads data base. I would argue that these are named tracks rather than roads but I wanted to check others opinion. Do I leave them alone or change the classification to highway:track? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] When is a Road a Track
I have asked this question before but did not really get a clear answer. I am working off the Western Australian Main Roads data checking against the OSM road attributes. Occasionally I come across lines that are classed in OSM as highway:unclassified or highway:residential that do not appear on the Main Roads data base. I would argue that these are named tracks rather than roads but I wanted to check others opinion. Do I leave them alone or change the classification to highway:track? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] When is a road not a road
In this case I know the roads, I have walked, ridden a bike, and in some cases driven them. They exist, but they are in a restricted area. This is possibly why they do not appear on the WAMR data. I guess my question includes the concept of what roads should appear on the OSM map. I know this discussion has been had before. Do we accept the MRWA data as an "approved" set of public roads in WA? I understand, and agree with, Warin's point about not changing data without good cause. I also understand Sam's point about the "on ground accuracy" of the MRWA data. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] When is a road, not a road?
I suspect the answer to this question is simple. Following Sam Wilson's post about the data sources available for Western Australian Roads, and using Sam's approach I have begun adding and checking road names in WA. In the area that I am currently working there are a number of named "roads" on OSM (usually Highway: unclassified), that do not appear on the Main roads data. If a road is not on the Main roads database does it automatically become a named track (Highway: Track)? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Possible illegal imports in Western Australia (Andy Townsend)
I am reasonably local. Both areas have had recent road building. But I think they are now complete. I will divert when I am close and resort to a gps trace. It may take a week or so, but when I am close I will divert. Warren On 18/07/2016 8:00 PM, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Possible illegal imports in Western Australia (Andy Townsend) 2. Re: Possible illegal imports in Western Australia (Warin) 3. Re: CC 4.0 was Re: Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia) (Reuben) 4. Almost finished LPI Post Offices (Frank) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:31:45 +0100 From: Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Possible illegal imports in Western Australia Message-ID: <578bdd21.3020...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed For info, I've just finishing reverting the remaining nodes from these imports. The last one was https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40792543 . As previously mentioned upthread, many of the objects had already been removed but some of the nodes from some of the larger changesets remained. Two issues that I spotted on the way through I've commented on on: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40195315 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40195392 It'd be great if a Perth local could have a look at those. Best Regards, Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse), on behalf of the Data Working Group. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:32:34 +1000 From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Possible illegal imports in Western Australia Message-ID: <3a43c7ef-2eb2-b5f0-3caa-a25785e1d...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 7/18/2016 5:31 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: For info, I've just finishing reverting the remaining nodes from these imports. The last one was https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40792543 . As previously mentioned upthread, many of the objects had already been removed but some of the nodes from some of the larger changesets remained. Two issues that I spotted on the way through I've commented on on: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40195315 Using Strava cyclist heat map it looks to me like the roundabout (way 361673628) should be a smaller diameter. The other roundabout (north western side) way 351188658 has used the same diameter, that too may need to be reduced? Bing, AGRI and Mapbox imagery are not upto date in this area so cannot be used. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40195392 Similar situation - not available in the present imagery. Way Arthur Street 37451474 Way Lord Street 346140242 and part of way 318945115. It'd be great if a Perth local could have a look at those. Might take some time. In the short term would it not be 'better' to; 1) Reduce the roundabout diameters and remove the kinks (probably a more truthfull representation of what is there) 2) Reduce the portrayed importance to the sections of these roads? And then place fixmes on the ways? -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:38:21 +1000 From: Reuben <reube...@yahoo.com> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] CC 4.0 was Re: Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia) Message-ID: <8939a6e0-8a4f-9fd0-74c8-db7266e7e...@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Perhaps someone should make a submission to the Productivity Commission inquiry if it is the former: Forwarded Message Subject:[talk-au] The Australian Productivity Commission public inquiry on Data Availability and Use. Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:35:35 +1000 To: OSM Australian Talk List <Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> for info… The public inquiry will investigate ways to improve the availability and use of public and private sector data. The Australian Productivity Commission has released an issues paper and is asking for feedback. Initial submissions are due by Friday 29 July 2016. http://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/current/data-access Reuben On 16/07/16 13:38, Paul Norman wrote: On 7/12/2016 1:50 AM, Simon Poole wrote: - the additional requirement to adhere to the AUS priv
Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 97, Issue 2 Huts
I would also like to input into this discussion. From the point of view of a user of one of the renditions of OSM maps I can see the point that the huts be labelled as Alpine Huts. In Western Australia we do not do Alpine but we do have huts. It would be nice to have the huts on the Bibbulmun track marked, currently they seem to be marked as toilets at best. Can we redefine Alpine to mean any remote hut? Warren On 18/07/2015 8:00 PM, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: High country huts (fors...@ozonline.com.au) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 10:14:02 +1000 From: fors...@ozonline.com.au To: Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] High country huts Message-ID: 20150718101402.lvcc4mxbcowkw...@webmail2.ozonline.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp=Yes; format=flowed Thanks Warin for the reply. wilderness_hut should not cause map clutter because they should only be tagged in wilderness areas which by definition are largely empty of man made features but I accept that getting their zoom level changed may be difficult so continue to tag as basic hut in NSW and alpine hut in Victoria? Tony On 4/07/2015 6:24 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Hi I am new to editing. I have noticed inconsistency in what are known in Australia as Alpine or High Country or Mountain Cattlemen's huts. In Victoria they are tagged tourism=alpine_hut (see Bogong High Plains, Mt Sterling and Lake Mountain) In the NSW they are tagged as shelter_type=basic_hut. (see the Snowy Mountains, [except that you can't easily see them, eg Whites River Hut, Schlink Hilton, Tin Hut]) I would consider retagging the Victorian huts to basic_hut or wilderness_hut but there is a serious safety issue involved. I am aware that I should not tag for Mapnik but downgrading the hut status would be very risky for map users. alpine_hut displays in Mapnik at zoom 13 but basic_hut displays at zoom 16. It is practically impossible to find a basic_hut with scroll and zoom, even if you know roughly where it is. I guess this is why Victorian huts are tagged alpine_hut. These huts are the single most important feature in Australian alpine areas. Ideally I would like to see basic_hut or wilderness_hut displaying at zoom 13, there is heaps of empty space, at least in Australian maps round these huts, then I would like to see the Victorian huts retagged. Your thoughts? Unfortunately rendering 'rules' are world wide ... Meaning if basic_hut or wilderness_hut displaying were displayed at zoom 13 somewhere in the world there would be too much clutter for the map to be usefull. Personally I'd like to see these 'rules' being made fuzzy ... so in places where little is shown things can be brought forward. Probably best implemented the other way around, removing things untill the number of things displayed per unit area is suitably small for reading, but large enough for detail. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- End of Talk-au Digest, Vol 97, Issue 2 ** ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Use of mapconnect and CAPAD data in OSM
Thank you Simon. I would be interested in chasing an appropriate license to allow uploading this data. The way I read the license it seems that the intent is that anyone can use the data for non-commercial or commercial uses provided they attribute it correctly. I do not know what OSM requires or who to ask. A clear answer would be nice. I think I understand the limitations of the information. I was specifically interested in boundary data, particularly for National Parks and conservation reserves. While I admit the exact boundary can sometimes be important, for the majority of map users I think naming the reserve and roughly outlining the boundaries may be enough. I have noticed that, while many of the reserves in Western Australia are named in the OSM data there are lots that do not appear. I think that even with the limitations of the MapConnect data set it could improve the current OSM data set. I did look at Ross's suggestion of the 2014 CAPAD data set. From my initial look and my local knowledge it seems to be complete and more current. Thanks Ross. The data set is fairly big so it needs to be broken up to be useful. Thanks all for your input Warren On 15/04/2015 8:00 PM, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Use of mapconnect data in OSM [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] (simon.coste...@ga.gov.au) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 11:39:03 + From:simon.coste...@ga.gov.au To:talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Use of mapconnect data in OSM [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Message-ID:56a3257c-0055-48c9-a8b5-ad0c0f418...@ga.gov.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The data in Mapconnect can be up to 8 years old. It originally came from both CAPAD and the states/territories, and was generalised to be consistent with a cartographic map at a scale of 1:250,000. CAPAD has come from the states / territories, and probably from the national park authorities rather than the mapping agency. There will be differences. I would also be keen to hear what the limitations in the CCBY licence is. If you want to use the data in Mapconnect then I can chase up an alternative licence/permission to use if the current license doesn't work. Thanks, Simon Simon Costello Branch Head, National Location Information | EGD Management Environmental Geoscience Division | GEOSCIENCE AUSTRALIA Phone: +61 2 6249 9716tel:+61%202%206249%209716 Fax: +61 2 6249 tel:+61%202%206249%20 Email:simon.coste...@ga.gov.aumailto:simon.coste...@ga.gov.au Web:www.ga.gov.auhttp://www.ga.gov.au/ Cnr Jerrabomberra Avenue and Hindmarsh Drive Symonston ACT GPO Box 378 Canberra ACT 2601 Australiax-apple-data-detectors://3 Applying geoscience to Australia's most important challenges On 7 Apr 2015, at 10:03 pm, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.orgmailto:talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.orgmailto:talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.orgmailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.orgmailto:talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.orgmailto:talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Use of mapconnect data in OSM (Andrew Harvey) 2. Re: Use of mapconnect data in OSM (Ross) 3. Use of mapconnect data in OSM (Ross) (Warren) mime-attachment mime-attachment mime-attachment ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au Geoscience Australia Disclaimer: This e-mail (and files transmitted with it) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, then you have received this e-mail by mistake and any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail and its file attachments is prohibited. The security of emails transmitted cannot be guaranteed
[talk-au] Use of mapconnect data in OSM (Ross)
Thanks Ross It seems to me that the human readable licence details imply permission but I will not reopen that argument. From what you say it can be done provided we get someone from Geosciences Australia to specifically state that it is OK. Now we have to find the person that is willing to sign away. This may be the tricky bit. The Mapconnect data is incomplete and not that wonderful but it is better than what is in OSM at the moment, at least for WA. How much effort do I put into this task? Any other comments will be welcomed. Warren On 6/04/2015 8:00 PM, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Use of mapconnect data in OSM (Ross) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 10:40:28 +1000 From: Ross i...@4x4falcon.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Use of mapconnect data in OSM Message-ID: 5521d5fc.3030...@4x4falcon.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed With the current terms and conditions you need to have permission of the work owner to add it to the database. Something that is licenced CC-BY-SA does not imply permission. There have been numerous debates on this pre and post licence change in 2012 See here for an example of what has been done previously: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tasmania_Parks_Import Cheers Ross On 05/04/15 19:38, Warren wrote: Can someone in the know talk with me about mapconnect? http://mapconnect.ga.gov.au/MapConnect/index.jsp The licensing statement at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/legalcode and the human readable version seem to me to indicate that its use is OK provided you give appropriate credit and show a link to the license. I was looking for a way to import National Park Boundaries into OSM. The data is there but, lets face it the licensing issues are so complex that I do not know if we are allowed. I have put a boundary around John Forrest National Park, just east of Midland WA, ex an shp file from mapconnect. Easily revertible. I would appreciate a response to the licensing issue and if the boundary definition is OK. Thanks Warren ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- End of Talk-au Digest, Vol 94, Issue 3 ** ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Use of mapconnect data in OSM
Can someone in the know talk with me about mapconnect? http://mapconnect.ga.gov.au/MapConnect/index.jsp The licensing statement at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/legalcode and the human readable version seem to me to indicate that its use is OK provided you give appropriate credit and show a link to the license. I was looking for a way to import National Park Boundaries into OSM. The data is there but, lets face it the licensing issues are so complex that I do not know if we are allowed. I have put a boundary around John Forrest National Park, just east of Midland WA, ex an shp file from mapconnect. Easily revertible. I would appreciate a response to the licensing issue and if the boundary definition is OK. Thanks Warren ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
