Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?
Thanks all for the guidance here. I've uploaded the change (required 4 in the end, as there was a 1 change limit per changeset). Here they are: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117749014 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117749015 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117749022 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117749024 -Justin On 23/2/2022 7:39 am, Ewen Hill wrote: Hi Justin, I see a single batch change as the preferred route as it has no logic other than swapping the values of Victoria and VIC and there is no reason why you would want to revert this at all. Thanks for fixing this anomaly Australia wide and the time you have spent on this. Ewen On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 08:26, Graeme Fitzpatrick <mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Can't see it being an issue? Thanks Graeme On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 22:30, tabjsina mailto:sinatabr...@gmail.com>> wrote: So all of Australia with the exception of Victoria is now fixed to use capitalized state abbreviations. As mentioned before, Victoria was the state that had a much closer (though still not entirely close) split between "Victoria" and "VIC", which leaves a whopping 32k addresses that need to be updated to "VIC". While it is entirely possible (and easy) to do this via maproulette, I've removed the challenge as someone had pointed out to me that 32k individual changes might be a bit much as far as changesets go. Are there any concerns with me doing this as a single batch change? Thanks, Justin ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au> -- Warm Regards Ewen Hill ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?
So all of Australia with the exception of Victoria is now fixed to use capitalized state abbreviations. As mentioned before, Victoria was the state that had a much closer (though still not entirely close) split between "Victoria" and "VIC", which leaves a whopping 32k addresses that need to be updated to "VIC". While it is entirely possible (and easy) to do this via maproulette, I've removed the challenge as someone had pointed out to me that 32k individual changes might be a bit much as far as changesets go. Are there any concerns with me doing this as a single batch change? Thanks, Justin ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?
Since only Northern Territory, Queensland and Victoria remain with inconsistencies, I only created those challenges. Will add other states if new changes creep in with a different format. Victoria - https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/24424 Queensland - https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/24425 Northern Territory - https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/24426 -Justin On 31/1/2022 3:42 pm, tabjsina wrote: Good call - will split it up sometime in the next few days On 31/1/2022 12:36 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 14:18, tabjsina <mailto:sinatabr...@gmail.com>> wrote: Thanks all - let me know if you have any concerns or suggestions Probably easiest, & less messy, to set several up, one for each state - it'd be OK to include ACT in NSW, or Tas in Vic Oops! : TAS in VIC :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?
Good call - will split it up sometime in the next few days On 31/1/2022 12:36 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 14:18, tabjsina <mailto:sinatabr...@gmail.com>> wrote: Thanks all - let me know if you have any concerns or suggestions Probably easiest, & less messy, to set several up, one for each state - it'd be OK to include ACT in NSW, or Tas in Vic Oops! : TAS in VIC :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?
As a follow-up, here it is - https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/24307 Seems like there is a limit to how many get loaded at a time, so the initial batch is NSW and NT only, but more should load up after the set is cleared Thanks all - let me know if you have any concerns or suggestions On 29/1/2022 8:56 pm, tabjsina wrote: Hello, I'm new to this mailing list (and mailing lists in general), apologies if I'm doing it wrong :) I've recently made a maproulette challenge which asked users to confirm updating any populating addr:state value in Western Australia to "WA", if it was something else. Previously, about 90% were already "WA", 9% were a variation like "Western Australia", "wa" (lowercase), and the remaining were something completely wrong, like "AU" or a suburb/city name. Now that WA is all fixed, I was looking at other states, and noticed that, while most states also had a similar 90% rate of using acronym, NSW and moreso VIC had a closer split between the acronym and the full name. Before I go ahead with setting up this maproulette challenge for the rest of the country, I wanted to get some thoughts on whether it makes sense to standardize around using acronyms (WA, ACT, NSW, NT, QLD, VIC, SA, TAS), full name (Western Australia, Australian Capital Territory, etc), or whether we should not be trying to standardise this value at all. Thanks, Justin ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?
It looks like Qld makes up ~3700 address states and QLD is at 15000
("Queensland" is ~1000 as a comparison).
I'm thinking I'll make an adjustment in the Queensland code to skip
cases that are "Qld", but otherwise (For complete errors, and
"Queensland" cases), I'll recommend the more popular format "QLD". Since
you live there Graeme, how does this plan sound?
Tasmania is already consistently TAS throughout (with the exception of
exactly 3 errors where someone put the street name in that field)
Victoria similarly has <500 cases of Vic versus 45k VIC and 35k
Victoria, so I will also just move those few Vic's towards the more
standard VIC.
-Justin
On 30/1/2022 7:30 am, Phil Wyatt wrote:
Hi Folks,
The main reason I have used capitals in the state is because of Address
Presentation Standards with Australia Post
https://auspost.com.au/content/dam/auspost_corp/media/documents/australia-post-addressing-standards-1999.pdf
<https://auspost.com.au/content/dam/auspost_corp/media/documents/australia-post-addressing-standards-1999.pdf>
Having said that, I don’t use capitals for suburbs!
Cheers - Phil
*From:*Graeme Fitzpatrick
*Sent:* Sunday, 30 January 2022 10:10 AM
*To:* tabjsina
*Cc:* OSM-Au
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?
G'day Justin & welcome!
Asking any question that you've got is quite definitely the best way of
doing things - thanks!
I agree fully about the acronyms rather than spelling the name in full,
with the exception that I personally use Qld rather than QLD.
If I was down there, I'd probably also use Tas, but all capitals for the
others.
I don't think there's any hard & fast rules for capitalisation though?
Thanks
Graeme
On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 at 00:32, tabjsina
<mailto:sinatabr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,
I'm new to this mailing list (and mailing lists in general), apologies
if I'm doing it wrong :)
I've recently made a maproulette challenge which asked users to confirm
updating any populating addr:state value in Western Australia to "WA",
if it was something else. Previously, about 90% were already "WA", 9%
were a variation like "Western Australia", "wa" (lowercase), and the
remaining were something completely wrong, like "AU" or a
suburb/city name.
Now that WA is all fixed, I was looking at other states, and noticed
that, while most states also had a similar 90% rate of using acronym,
NSW and moreso VIC had a closer split between the acronym and the
full name.
Before I go ahead with setting up this maproulette challenge for the
rest of the country, I wanted to get some thoughts on whether it makes
sense to standardize around using acronyms (WA, ACT, NSW, NT, QLD, VIC,
SA, TAS), full name (Western Australia, Australian Capital Territory,
etc), or whether we should not be trying to standardise this value
at all.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?
In this case I intend to specifically only update tags that already have a state field defined, rather than populating the empty ones. Andrew, do you think that adjusting the existing tag values to match the VIC majority would go against the coming data import plans you mentioned? -Justin On 30/1/2022 1:09 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote: Many people would be mapping because iD has a template which includes state, so people see an empty field and try to enter more complete information. Many people new to OSM don't know that addresses inherit state and suburb from the existing boundaries. From the VIC address import work there was opposition to including addr:state so this hasn't been included (I'm hoping to finalise that with the final import files and import date very soon), and it was proposed removing the suburb and state fields from the address template in iD. Also in that thread there were a few reasons given for also including the state/suburb tags (easier to obtain this info when querying specific addresses, saves further processing work). On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 at 10:30, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: Hi, Is there any advantage to tagging addresses with the state when the state is already well defined in OSM and the state for a given address location can be obtained from existing map data? I'm not criticising Justin's work - improved consistency is good. I'm asking the open ended question: is there a better way of recording this data that avoids duplication? Regards, Kim On 29/1/22 23:56, tabjsina wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to this mailing list (and mailing lists in general), apologies > if I'm doing it wrong :) > > I've recently made a maproulette challenge which asked users to > confirm updating any populating addr:state value in Western Australia > to "WA", if it was something else. Previously, about 90% were already > "WA", 9% were a variation like "Western Australia", "wa" (lowercase), > and the remaining were something completely wrong, like "AU" or a > suburb/city name. > > Now that WA is all fixed, I was looking at other states, and noticed > that, while most states also had a similar 90% rate of using acronym, > NSW and moreso VIC had a closer split between the acronym and the full > name. > > Before I go ahead with setting up this maproulette challenge for the > rest of the country, I wanted to get some thoughts on whether it makes > sense to standardize around using acronyms (WA, ACT, NSW, NT, QLD, > VIC, SA, TAS), full name (Western Australia, Australian Capital > Territory, etc), or whether we should not be trying to standardise > this value at all. > > Thanks, > Justin > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?
In this case I intend to specifically only update tags that already have a state field defined, rather than populating the empty ones. Andrew, do you think that adjusting the existing tag values to match the VIC majority would go against the coming data import plans you mentioned? -Justin On 30/1/2022 1:09 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote: Many people would be mapping because iD has a template which includes state, so people see an empty field and try to enter more complete information. Many people new to OSM don't know that addresses inherit state and suburb from the existing boundaries. From the VIC address import work there was opposition to including addr:state so this hasn't been included (I'm hoping to finalise that with the final import files and import date very soon), and it was proposed removing the suburb and state fields from the address template in iD. Also in that thread there were a few reasons given for also including the state/suburb tags (easier to obtain this info when querying specific addresses, saves further processing work). On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 at 10:30, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: Hi, Is there any advantage to tagging addresses with the state when the state is already well defined in OSM and the state for a given address location can be obtained from existing map data? I'm not criticising Justin's work - improved consistency is good. I'm asking the open ended question: is there a better way of recording this data that avoids duplication? Regards, Kim On 29/1/22 23:56, tabjsina wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to this mailing list (and mailing lists in general), apologies > if I'm doing it wrong :) > > I've recently made a maproulette challenge which asked users to > confirm updating any populating addr:state value in Western Australia > to "WA", if it was something else. Previously, about 90% were already > "WA", 9% were a variation like "Western Australia", "wa" (lowercase), > and the remaining were something completely wrong, like "AU" or a > suburb/city name. > > Now that WA is all fixed, I was looking at other states, and noticed > that, while most states also had a similar 90% rate of using acronym, > NSW and moreso VIC had a closer split between the acronym and the full > name. > > Before I go ahead with setting up this maproulette challenge for the > rest of the country, I wanted to get some thoughts on whether it makes > sense to standardize around using acronyms (WA, ACT, NSW, NT, QLD, > VIC, SA, TAS), full name (Western Australia, Australian Capital > Territory, etc), or whether we should not be trying to standardise > this value at all. > > Thanks, > Justin > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?
Hello, I'm new to this mailing list (and mailing lists in general), apologies if I'm doing it wrong :) I've recently made a maproulette challenge which asked users to confirm updating any populating addr:state value in Western Australia to "WA", if it was something else. Previously, about 90% were already "WA", 9% were a variation like "Western Australia", "wa" (lowercase), and the remaining were something completely wrong, like "AU" or a suburb/city name. Now that WA is all fixed, I was looking at other states, and noticed that, while most states also had a similar 90% rate of using acronym, NSW and moreso VIC had a closer split between the acronym and the full name. Before I go ahead with setting up this maproulette challenge for the rest of the country, I wanted to get some thoughts on whether it makes sense to standardize around using acronyms (WA, ACT, NSW, NT, QLD, VIC, SA, TAS), full name (Western Australia, Australian Capital Territory, etc), or whether we should not be trying to standardise this value at all. Thanks, Justin ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
