Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 15 January 2011 11:38, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I've updated the details, for version 3751. I wonder if Ben would be so kind as to have a standard tile URL, I haven't dug into the current TMS/WMS code to see if you can supply custom URLs, alternatively using a web server to do a http redirect seems less resource intensive than a java app: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#SlippyMap_Plugin_.28Using_hosted_URL_rewriting.29 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 15/01/11 09:38, Andrew Harvey wrote: I've updated the details, for version 3751. On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Harveyandrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I've put some details on how to add NearMap back in for the latest JOSM versions on the wiki, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#SlippyMap_Plugin_Custom_Tile_Source ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au How do you get it to show on the imagery menu list? Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 15/01/11 10:06, John Smith wrote: On 15 January 2011 12:03, 4x4falconi...@4x4falcon.com wrote: How do you get it to show on the imagery menu list? Add another layer to the list: tms:http://localhost:port/ Or something to that effect, depending where you are pulling the images from. Already done this using the BTC redirect but was hoping to use the SlippyMap Plugin Custom Tile Source method as the redirect is very slow. Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 15 January 2011 12:15, 4x4falcon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Already done this using the BTC redirect but was hoping to use the SlippyMap Plugin Custom Tile Source method as the redirect is very slow. Same thing for tiles... Slippy map integrated with WMS, tms = tile map source (I assume) This is what I was suggesting for Ben, a tms:http://nearmap URL so we don't need to redirect via any 3rd parties, or even our own servers. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
The URL format is pretty much Google-compatible, and there's also the format that was added for Potlatch (with the three ! characters). See http://forum.nearmap.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=751p=1262hilit=url+format#p1262 Please note that I'm not making any specific comment whatsoever regarding any CT or licence terms for anything you may choose to do when tracing - our licence terms are the same as they've always been. Also: we're being linked like crazy from several major media sources, so if you can ensure you have a decent-size browser cache and avoid trying to spider down large areas of tiles, that'd be very helpful in reducing the load (currently around 3x the peak we saw during the WA Telethon competition, and climbing). On 15 January 2011 10:49, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 January 2011 12:15, 4x4falcon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Already done this using the BTC redirect but was hoping to use the SlippyMap Plugin Custom Tile Source method as the redirect is very slow. Same thing for tiles... Slippy map integrated with WMS, tms = tile map source (I assume) This is what I was suggesting for Ben, a tms:http://nearmap URL so we don't need to redirect via any 3rd parties, or even our own servers. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ben Last Development Manager nearmap.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 15 January 2011 13:29, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: The URL format is pretty much Google-compatible, and there's also the format that was added for Potlatch (with the three ! characters). See http://forum.nearmap.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=751p=1262hilit=url+format#p1262 Might be google compatible, but the only URL format I've been able to make work in JOSM is what I replied with in that thread: http://example.com/tiles/z/x/y.[jpg|png] I currently use the following URL to make it work: tms:http://localhost/nearmap-tiles/ Then in lighttpd.conf I have: url.redirect+= (^/nearmap-tiles/(.+)/(.+)/(.+)\.(.*)$ = http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nml=Vertx=$2y=$3z=$1; ) url.redirect+= (^/nearmap-date/(.+)/(.+)/(.+)/(.+)\.(.*)$ = http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nmd=$1nml=Vertx=$3y=$4z=$2; ) The apache equivalent is on the wiki still: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#SlippyMap_Plugin_.28Using_hosted_URL_rewriting.29 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 January 2011 11:38, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I've updated the details, for version 3751. I wonder if Ben would be so kind as to have a standard tile URL, I haven't dug into the current TMS/WMS code to see if you can supply custom URLs, alternatively using a web server to do a http redirect seems less resource intensive than a java app: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#SlippyMap_Plugin_.28Using_hosted_URL_rewriting.29 You can use NearMaps current tile API in josm 3751, as I described on the wiki, No redirecting necessary, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#version_3751.2B This is what it should look like, http://andrew.liway.net/josm-imagery.png ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 15 January 2011 13:57, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote:
You can use NearMaps current tile API in josm 3751, as I described on
the wiki, No redirecting necessary,
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#version_3751.2B
This is what it should look like, http://andrew.liway.net/josm-imagery.png
Ahh I missed that, for those that also missed it, you can copy and
paste from below...
tms:http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nml=Vertz={zoom}x={x}y={y}
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Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:29:01 +0800 Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Also: we're being linked like crazy from several major media sources, so if you can ensure you have a decent-size browser cache and avoid trying to spider down large areas of tiles, that'd be very helpful in reducing the load (currently around 3x the peak we saw during the WA Telethon competition, and climbing). that sounds great Ben, please tell us more about the interest in your business ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Er... there's lots! Most of the FairFax media sites picked up the Sydney Morning Herald article yesterday, and now that the latest Brisbane CBD and Oxley surveys are up, the Brisbane Courier Mail and Brisbane Times linked directly to us this morning (both seem to be rotating many stories about the floods now). So traffic is pretty damn high; we cranked up the major Internet link's speed yesterday and we'll hold that whilst it's needed. But it's a pretty scalable architecture and it's working! We're noting the links to us on our Facebook/twitter feeds also, as well as announcing the surveys as they go online (I think Ipswitch is next). Cheers b On 15 January 2011 12:54, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:29:01 +0800 Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Also: we're being linked like crazy from several major media sources, so if you can ensure you have a decent-size browser cache and avoid trying to spider down large areas of tiles, that'd be very helpful in reducing the load (currently around 3x the peak we saw during the WA Telethon competition, and climbing). that sounds great Ben, please tell us more about the interest in your business ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ben Last Development Manager nearmap.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:03:10 +0800 Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Er... there's lots! Most of the FairFax media sites picked up the Sydney Morning Herald article yesterday, http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/flood-devastation-mapped-by-highres-sky-cams-20110114-19qer.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On the bright side at least there is now an end point and some kind of finality which many including myself have spent at least the last 6 months asking for, the whole license change over has been one debacle after another and I doubt it could have been intentionally dealt with in a worst manner even taking the immoral behaviour into account. On 12/19/10, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: So, whens the aussie fork coming? David world-wide osm-f...@googlegroups.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Sent from my mobile device ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
Does the recent board minutes mean any talks with Nearmap have concluded? https://docs.google.com/View?id=d38xqz5_6fj2bcdcm Because the latest CT draft still seems to include sections that were objected to: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_933xs7nvfb ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
I've put some details on how to add NearMap back in for the latest JOSM versions on the wiki, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#SlippyMap_Plugin_Custom_Tile_Source ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 09:49 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: I've put some details on how to add NearMap back in for the latest JOSM versions on the wiki, Why? Did you fail to read the minutes that were posted? Basically OSMF has given itself the ultimate authority to remove all non-compliant data by end of March. The foundation board also considered the loss of data and does not consider its removal a reason not to proceed with new terms. It appears the foundation have given a big screw-you to every contributor who has contributed and complained about very minor wording in their new licences, and considers that the removal of our contributed data, is acceptable. That its better to have a blank map than it is to have a project of happy contributors. So, whens the aussie fork coming? David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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So, whens the aussie fork coming? David world-wide osm-f...@googlegroups.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:15 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 09:49 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: I've put some details on how to add NearMap back in for the latest JOSM versions on the wiki, Why? Did you fail to read the minutes that were posted? Basically OSMF has given itself the ultimate authority to remove all non-compliant data by end of March. The foundation board also considered the loss of data and does not consider its removal a reason not to proceed with new terms. It appears the foundation have given a big screw-you to every contributor who has contributed and complained about very minor wording in their new licences, and considers that the removal of our contributed data, is acceptable. That its better to have a blank map than it is to have a project of happy contributors. So, whens the aussie fork coming? The OSMF stated that there will be a (full history?) dump prior to any removal of CC BY-SA data, this can then form the start of the osm ccbysa fork. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
Yes, hopefully the OSM-Foundation will provide a full planet.osm file. ... However, to be on the safe side (there is no benifit for osm-foundation to help), having a bunch (i'd say at least 10) copies of the latest planet.osm scattered across many websites / offlines and external hard drives will ensure the safety of the years of volunteers efforts. Also, having local regional copies of .osm files will make the task easier to filter out the data by users (and licences). This way once the other API's are called to help (March 1st 2011), we will have a good volume of data to begin (or keep going as in the case of fosm.org) so then it will cause a very minimal disruption for mappers of all types. cheers, sam On 12/18/10, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:15 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 09:49 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: I've put some details on how to add NearMap back in for the latest JOSM versions on the wiki, Why? Did you fail to read the minutes that were posted? Basically OSMF has given itself the ultimate authority to remove all non-compliant data by end of March. The foundation board also considered the loss of data and does not consider its removal a reason not to proceed with new terms. It appears the foundation have given a big screw-you to every contributor who has contributed and complained about very minor wording in their new licences, and considers that the removal of our contributed data, is acceptable. That its better to have a blank map than it is to have a project of happy contributors. So, whens the aussie fork coming? The OSMF stated that there will be a (full history?) dump prior to any removal of CC BY-SA data, this can then form the start of the osm ccbysa fork. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: But you are right in questioning my above quip because as far as I know (and I don't follow it too closely) Then kindly STFU. Is that unreasonable? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Sorry If I am stupid here, but is it not possible to use CC-BY data for tracing to create new CC-BY-SA data, just not the other way around? According to the compatibility chart, http://learn.creativecommons.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cclearn-explanations-cc-license-compatability.pdf By can be used in BY-SA, just give attribution. or am I missing something again? that is the problem when you create all new licenses, no one understands them. mike On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 3:59 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean talks with Nearmap has failed to come to an amicable arrangement? From http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg06524.html Where, Ben Last said: I asked Richard F to remove NearMap support from Potlatch, since we didn't want to encourage anyone to add data to OSM which might be, or become, incompatible with the CTs. Seems like it just took a little longer for this to be reflected in the JOSM plugin. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I find that it scares me that OSM tools are being locked down. One we have flash tools that need a non free runtime, and developers who dont give a damn, then we have this silverlight drama about to unfold. The tools should not be dependant on one license or server or one point of view. Yes. The reason given for removing Nearmap from Potlatch 1 was (paraphrasing): Users who have agreed to the CTs must not use Nearmap. Potlatch cannot tell whether a given user has agreed to the CTs. We do not want to spend time adding that support, because we'd rather work on Potlatch 2. Therefore we have disabled Nearmap for all users. I think that's a fairly defensible position. Obviously it sucks for those of us who haven't agreed to the CTs, and want to continue to use Nearmap (which we're entitled to do). But it's fair enough. So the question is: is this the same reasoning for removing Nearmap as an option from JOSM? Could a better solution be found, like perhaps flashing an alert to anyone selecting Nearmap, warning them that they must not use it if they have agreed to the CTs? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: You can of course fork whatever you like, but allow me to point out that (1) if you are unhappy with the slippy map plugin, why not fork that instead of the whole editor. (2) the slippy map plugin can be configured via the preferences to use almost any kind of data source, whether legal or not; it is just that the *default* datasources that are available with one click should not contain something that causes licensing problems down the line. Yes. I should have been more specific. On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. The reason given for removing Nearmap from Potlatch 1 was (paraphrasing): Users who have agreed to the CTs must not use Nearmap. Potlatch cannot tell whether a given user has agreed to the CTs. We do not want to spend time adding that support, because we'd rather work on Potlatch 2. Therefore we have disabled Nearmap for all users. I think that's a fairly defensible position. Obviously it sucks for those of us who haven't agreed to the CTs, and want to continue to use Nearmap (which we're entitled to do). But it's fair enough. So the question is: is this the same reasoning for removing Nearmap as an option from JOSM? Could a better solution be found, like perhaps flashing an alert to anyone selecting Nearmap, warning them that they must not use it if they have agreed to the CTs? I wonder if one was to code this and submit a patch to do this which follows the existing style guidelines, would it be accepted into the slippymap plugin? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 27 November 2010 19:08, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: You can of course fork whatever you like, but allow me to point out that (1) if you are unhappy with the slippy map plugin, why not fork that instead of the whole editor. (2) the slippy map plugin can be configured via the preferences to use almost any kind of data source, whether legal or not; it is just that the *default* datasources that are available with one click should not contain something that causes licensing problems down the line. Yes. I should have been more specific. You don't actually need to fork the plugin since you can add custom tile locations, details have been on the Nearmap wiki page for quite some time because it's useful for using past imagery, not just current imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nearmap#JOSM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Warning, if you use this imagery, you will most likely not be able to agree to the CTs at any time in the future. When OSM changes its license, all your contributions will be have to be removed from the live OSM database. Are you sure you want to continue? I find your presumption that there will never be any CT wording that is compatible with use of third-party CC-BY-SA sources offensive. Do you know something we don't? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 3:59 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean talks with Nearmap has failed to come to an amicable arrangement? From http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg06524.html Where, Ben Last said: I asked Richard F to remove NearMap support from Potlatch, since we didn't want to encourage anyone to add data to OSM which might be, or become, incompatible with the CTs. Seems like it just took a little longer for this to be reflected in the JOSM plugin. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 17:57:25 -0500 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 3:59 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean talks with Nearmap has failed to come to an amicable arrangement? From http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg06524.html Where, Ben Last said: I asked Richard F to remove NearMap support from Potlatch, since we didn't want to encourage anyone to add data to OSM which might be, or become, incompatible with the CTs. Seems like it just took a little longer for this to be reflected in the JOSM plugin. No-one 'asked' for removal from JOSM. No-one announced its removal from JOSM. It was found to be removed by a concerned person checking the code. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
Does this mean talks with Nearmap has failed to come to an amicable arrangement? before: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/slippymap/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/plugins/slippymap/SlippyMapPreferences.java?p=24300 after: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/slippymap/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/plugins/slippymap/SlippyMapPreferences.java ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 26 November 2010 08:59, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean talks with Nearmap has failed to come to an amicable arrangement? before: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/slippymap/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/plugins/slippymap/SlippyMapPreferences.java?p=24300 after: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/slippymap/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/plugins/slippymap/SlippyMapPreferences.java As far as I can tell, we are still talking with Nearmap to find a compromise acceptable to both party. The last email I exchanged with Ben Last was last night. I don't think we are near a breakdown in communication at all. I don't know who did this but I suspect it is for the same reason that it was removed from Potlatch in the first place. I am still hopeful that an agreement can be found as progress is being made towards resolving our difference. Emily Laffray ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 26 November 2010 20:18, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I can tell, we are still talking with Nearmap to find a compromise acceptable to both party. The last email I exchanged with Ben Last was last night. I don't think we are near a breakdown in communication at all. I Is there any kind of time line on this? It'd be nice if there was some sort of guide to license change over for that matter too, it seems previous time lines agreed upon are being ignored... don't know who did this but I suspect it is for the same reason that it was removed from Potlatch in the first place. Unlike potlatch, JOSM is usually only used by advanced users and it's a lot more complicated to access Nearmap imagery than potlatch... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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That is funny, I hope we don't get into a forking of josm as well. OMG. The osm trac is taking forever to load, how lame. Luckily we are using github, which has real performance : https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm-plugins/commit/7402a2349583a250db930b8ac41b5ffa9885acc0#commitcomment-203309 It was removed by Firefishy aka gslater, grant-webs...@firefishy.com I cced him on this mail so he can answer you directly. hope that helps, and peace and love to you all. Happy thanksgiving! thanks, mike On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 11:24 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 November 2010 20:18, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I can tell, we are still talking with Nearmap to find a compromise acceptable to both party. The last email I exchanged with Ben Last was last night. I don't think we are near a breakdown in communication at all. I Is there any kind of time line on this? It'd be nice if there was some sort of guide to license change over for that matter too, it seems previous time lines agreed upon are being ignored... don't know who did this but I suspect it is for the same reason that it was removed from Potlatch in the first place. Unlike potlatch, JOSM is usually only used by advanced users and it's a lot more complicated to access Nearmap imagery than potlatch... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 26 November 2010 10:24, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 November 2010 20:18, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I can tell, we are still talking with Nearmap to find a compromise acceptable to both party. The last email I exchanged with Ben Last was last night. I don't think we are near a breakdown in communication at all. I Is there any kind of time line on this? It'd be nice if there was some sort of guide to license change over for that matter too, it seems previous time lines agreed upon are being ignored... As much as I would like to commit to time line, I just can't. Legal stuff takes time to resolve and contrary to some organization like Wikimedia, we don't have full time staff and full time hired legal counsel. The only I can do is try to keep people up to date on some milestone. Again, if you have questions, I will be happy to try to answer them either publicly either privately (my time is sparse those days, so I apologize in any delay you might get before I answer you). I think my point of view is known (I believe in the CT and licensing change) but I certainly do not believe in preaching as I strongly believe that the claim should stand on their own and that's why we are still working on getting input and tweaking the CT in order to fix potential issues, which had an impact on the timeline and will continue to have one until we have a final version. This is unfortunate as I suspect that all of us want to go to mapping and start ignoring some legal issues whatever the output is. Emily Laffray ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 26 November 2010 10:32, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: That is funny, I hope we don't get into a forking of josm as well. OMG. The osm trac is taking forever to load, how lame. Luckily we are using github, which has real performance : https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm-plugins/commit/7402a2349583a250db930b8ac41b5ffa9885acc0#commitcomment-203309 It was removed by Firefishy aka gslater, grant-webs...@firefishy.com I cced him on this mail so he can answer you directly. The real code was remove in a previous commit. https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm-plugins/commit/9610061c1c86f4fd55d10730ff4edc3831b5ac82 My commit removed an old NearMap reference so the code would compile. / Grant ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
Great Grant, thanks alot! so john, you gotta talk to big fred : nearmap does not support the planned license change so we'd rather have people using bing Hope I am helping the discussion not harming. peace and love, thanks, mike On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 26 November 2010 10:32, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: That is funny, I hope we don't get into a forking of josm as well. OMG. The osm trac is taking forever to load, how lame. Luckily we are using github, which has real performance : https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm-plugins/commit/7402a2349583a250db930b8ac41b5ffa9885acc0#commitcomment-203309 It was removed by Firefishy aka gslater, grant-webs...@firefishy.com I cced him on this mail so he can answer you directly. The real code was remove in a previous commit. https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm-plugins/commit/9610061c1c86f4fd55d10730ff4edc3831b5ac82 My commit removed an old NearMap reference so the code would compile. / Grant -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
nearmap does not support the planned license change so we'd rather have people using bing --frederik Where is the license information from bing that makes deriving information from their maps compatiable with OSM? Time to fork josm... fjosm! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
I find that it scares me that OSM tools are being locked down. One we have flash tools that need a non free runtime, and developers who dont give a damn, then we have this silverlight drama about to unfold. The tools should not be dependant on one license or server or one point of view. We need to adopt a more neutral point of view like wikipedia has, and stop pushing people towards one technology or license. I maintain that competition will help and not harm osm as a project, and that Is why I support creative and not destructive usages of osm and its tools and data in different ways. We need to make sure the tools are open and free, and to be used without a specific purpose or intent. Putting in code changes for the purpose of motivating a certain behavior, to motivate a license change or purpose of usage to limit it to a certain server is wrong in my view. thanks, mike On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: nearmap does not support the planned license change so we'd rather have people using bing --frederik Where is the license information from bing that makes deriving information from their maps compatiable with OSM? Time to fork josm... fjosm! -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
