Re: [talk-au] TidyMyStreet
2009/9/24 : > Another thing I'd like to do is to generate a street map (with a grid > reference of all the roads) of a council boundary, there's a few > utilities that can do that already, but they're not terribly well > supported / user friendly just yet, but in time they will be better :D Any chance of a current set of council borders we can import into OSM? :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] TidyMyStreet
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: > Another thing I'd like to do is to generate a street map (with a grid > reference of all the roads) of a council boundary, there's a few > utilities that can do that already, but they're not terribly well > supported / user friendly just yet, but in time they will be better :D > -- see maposmatic.org (just being repetitive) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] TidyMyStreet
On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 15:41 +1000, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/24 : > > > Very good point, in which case perhaps a mobile phone interface can omit > > the address field, but a full computer web based interface could include > > the address field? (or perhaps come up with some sleek interface > > that'll work for both phone and computer platforms) > > Timeliness seems more important than the street address, since the > street address in most cases can be worked out, but we're trying to > get this functionality into mobile phones so things can be reported on > the spot. > > This way you can do all sorts of interesting statistics on the > information and try and find patterns. > That's quite a good point, lat/lon would make visual representation of > graffiti attacks easier than addresses, as some addresses aren't terribly > logical at times ;) If you can identify similar graffiti, and have enough data you can > probably estimate where it's likely to occur in future because people > are fairly predicable. > Indeed that's what I've been thinking and researching a little myself of late. > Later I'd like to add bus routes as well. > > I haven't thought about it much yet, but it'd be nice to link to time > tables for routes too. > Indeed that's the beauty of OSM, it's so flexible and has such great > capabilities :) Another thing I'd like to do is to generate a street map (with a grid reference of all the roads) of a council boundary, there's a few utilities that can do that already, but they're not terribly well supported / user friendly just yet, but in time they will be better :D -- cam_...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] TidyMyStreet
2009/9/24 : > Very good point, in which case perhaps a mobile phone interface can omit > the address field, but a full computer web based interface could include > the address field? (or perhaps come up with some sleek interface > that'll work for both phone and computer platforms) Timeliness seems more important than the street address, since the street address in most cases can be worked out, but we're trying to get this functionality into mobile phones so things can be reported on the spot. This way you can do all sorts of interesting statistics on the information and try and find patterns. If you can identify similar graffiti, and have enough data you can probably estimate where it's likely to occur in future because people are fairly predicable. > Later I'd like to add bus routes as well. I haven't thought about it much yet, but it'd be nice to link to time tables for routes too. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] TidyMyStreet
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:18 +1000, "John Smith" wrote: > 2009/9/24 : > > I didn't know that was possible :P > > geocoding sounds quite good, but approximation isn't usually good > > enough. > > The approximations, depending on the data set, can range from quite > good to quite poor. > > eg > > http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=-33.83561,151.20276 > > Comes up with 28 Bay Rd, Waverton NSW 2060 > > > I would recommend an optional address field that allows the > > bug-submitter to specify an address, ontop of the lat/lon information. > > The problem is it's difficult to do a lot of data entry on most phones > and people are lazy, so if they can get away with doing the least > possible they will. However I'll add it to the todo list because the > same info could be used to plot street addressing on OSM. Very good point, in which case perhaps a mobile phone interface can omit the address field, but a full computer web based interface could include the address field? (or perhaps come up with some sleek interface that'll work for both phone and computer platforms) > > > I'm currently busy enough as it is at work, and I can't say that there's > > any room for a budget that'd allow me to do this. > > But, it's a damn fine idea though - I'll have to investigate this option > > :) > > You could also try for a grant, rather than trying to get budget for it > :) > > > The council I work for does provide walking maps to the general public, > > but that was simply the result of a few volunteers - this is indeed > > something I'd like to rejuvenate with OSM maps that've been > > custom-rendered rather than a few red lines over a Sydways map. > > Would the cycle map rendering be useful or does this ignore foot paths? I haven't researched it enough just yet, but I should think it'd make for a very good start. Later I'd like to add bus routes as well. -- cam_...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] TidyMyStreet
2009/9/24 : > I didn't know that was possible :P > geocoding sounds quite good, but approximation isn't usually good > enough. The approximations, depending on the data set, can range from quite good to quite poor. eg http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=-33.83561,151.20276 Comes up with 28 Bay Rd, Waverton NSW 2060 > I would recommend an optional address field that allows the > bug-submitter to specify an address, ontop of the lat/lon information. The problem is it's difficult to do a lot of data entry on most phones and people are lazy, so if they can get away with doing the least possible they will. However I'll add it to the todo list because the same info could be used to plot street addressing on OSM. > I'm currently busy enough as it is at work, and I can't say that there's > any room for a budget that'd allow me to do this. > But, it's a damn fine idea though - I'll have to investigate this option > :) You could also try for a grant, rather than trying to get budget for it :) > The council I work for does provide walking maps to the general public, > but that was simply the result of a few volunteers - this is indeed > something I'd like to rejuvenate with OSM maps that've been > custom-rendered rather than a few red lines over a Sydways map. Would the cycle map rendering be useful or does this ignore foot paths? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] TidyMyStreet
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:15 +1000, "John Smith" wrote: > 2009/9/24 : > > - As for starters there are very few council / contractor staff that > > have GPS units (and are able to use them). > > I think you misunderstood me, geocoding turns lat/lon into street > addresses, you can see examples of this when you type a lat/lon into > google maps it will give you an address approximation for the co-ords. I didn't know that was possible :P geocoding sounds quite good, but approximation isn't usually good enough. I would recommend an optional address field that allows the bug-submitter to specify an address, ontop of the lat/lon information. > > > - In time it'll be done, as my OSM work is currently voluntary > > out-of-work time. > > I would think the majority of OSM mapping is on a voluntary basis. > Maybe you should see if you can get some paid time to improve things > for your council, this could be tourism/leisure type stuff ie > footpaths/bike paths/jogging tracks etc :) I'm currently busy enough as it is at work, and I can't say that there's any room for a budget that'd allow me to do this. But, it's a damn fine idea though - I'll have to investigate this option :) > > Then the resulting maps could be used for tourism, not sure if that's > done much as it is in regional areas, most councils in regional areas > usually seem to staff a tourism centre. The council I work for does provide walking maps to the general public, but that was simply the result of a few volunteers - this is indeed something I'd like to rejuvenate with OSM maps that've been custom-rendered rather than a few red lines over a Sydways map. - Rhubarb -- cam_...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] TidyMyStreet
2009/9/24 : > - As for starters there are very few council / contractor staff that > have GPS units (and are able to use them). I think you misunderstood me, geocoding turns lat/lon into street addresses, you can see examples of this when you type a lat/lon into google maps it will give you an address approximation for the co-ords. > - In time it'll be done, as my OSM work is currently voluntary > out-of-work time. I would think the majority of OSM mapping is on a voluntary basis. Maybe you should see if you can get some paid time to improve things for your council, this could be tourism/leisure type stuff ie footpaths/bike paths/jogging tracks etc :) Then the resulting maps could be used for tourism, not sure if that's done much as it is in regional areas, most councils in regional areas usually seem to staff a tourism centre. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] TidyMyStreet
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:34 +1000, "John Smith" wrote: > 2009/9/24 : > > As I actually work for a council, and would very much like to start > > using tidymystreet, can I make a few suggestions? > > I'd like a date stamp when a bug is submitted, so that I can prioritise > > jobs that need to be done. > > We store the time stamp of created/updated and we have a field in the > DB for status but this also needs to be exposed, currently code is > being added so people can subscribe to areas to receive notifications. Lovely :) > > > And where possible, an address of properties that have graffiti. > > I would have thought GPS details would have been more important, you > can always geocode the lat/lon to give you an address. In some cases GPS details can be very useful, especially around parks. But as it happens, when there's graffiti on private property, the address of the property is far more useful than GPS location data. - As for starters there are very few council / contractor staff that have GPS units (and are able to use them). ... Now all I have to do is to get the last few remaining roads surveyed within the Council I work for, and all the bus shelters too. - In time it'll be done, as my OSM work is currently voluntary out-of-work time. -- cam_...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] TidyMyStreet
2009/9/24 : > As I actually work for a council, and would very much like to start > using tidymystreet, can I make a few suggestions? > I'd like a date stamp when a bug is submitted, so that I can prioritise > jobs that need to be done. We store the time stamp of created/updated and we have a field in the DB for status but this also needs to be exposed, currently code is being added so people can subscribe to areas to receive notifications. > And where possible, an address of properties that have graffiti. I would have thought GPS details would have been more important, you can always geocode the lat/lon to give you an address. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] TidyMyStreet
>> However now all the errors I've submitted have disappeared just as I was >> about to ring up the next local council to introduce them to the site? Also >> I can't seem to add any more errors? What is happening? > >The site is currently in development, the DB shouldn't have been >messed with but there may be a bug in displaying them, I've forwarded >your email to someone who should know. Ooooh fantastic! As I actually work for a council, and would very much like to start using tidymystreet, can I make a few suggestions? I'd like a date stamp when a bug is submitted, so that I can prioritise jobs that need to be done. And where possible, an address of properties that have graffiti. Thanks :) - Rhubarb -- cam_...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
