Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:19:22 +1000 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:15 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Unless waste_basket=yes is an approved tag the likelihood of it being searched by anyone not using the tag is almost nil So the bonus is that it works now and (arguably) isn't wrong. Hence the question about whether to put it on the wiki. Yeah, I don't know the best approach. I've seen all kinds of approaches and they all end up in argument ~:| I guess this is one specific case of the broader problem of what to do when two separate entities are co-located (i.e. nodes would be right on top of each other). Well, it depends what you're calling the bus stop. If you go with the stop area approach, these problems go away. In this case I guess you could use highway=bus_stop *and* amenity=waste_basket (i.e. share a single node), but this becomes a problem when you want to tag two things with the same key, e.g. amenity=bench *and* amenity=shelter. That old chestnut. That is schema fail, but the cabal won't see reason. It's always popping up stopping us from representing the real world. Got the t-shirt. Cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: I guess this is one specific case of the broader problem of what to do when two separate entities are co-located (i.e. nodes would be right on top of each other). Well, it depends what you're calling the bus stop. If you go with the stop area approach, these problems go away. A waste_basket bolted to a bus_stop sign. I think it would still be an issue. Unless you use the centre of the sign pole and the centre of the hole in the top of the waste_basket...urgh time to move on :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:43:18 +1000 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:43 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: I've been doing that for a while (well, except waste_basket=*), so that's a +1 from me :) Any objections (from anyone) to adding these to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop ? Yep, hold your horses. There's been some excellent work by the transit list people I need to research a little more to see where it's at. It builds on this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/unified_stoparea but I think there is a tidier page somewhere. Just let me make David's Redcliffe party cake or he will kill me. Cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:57:29 +1000 Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: I need to research a little more to see where it's at. It builds on this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/unified_stoparea but I think there is a tidier page somewhere. Bah, I can't be digging through the murky OSM records at this time of night. Just let me make David's Redcliffe party cake or he will kill me. At least he didn't get the satisfaction. 'night. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details
On 08/09/2009, at 8:57 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: For tagging highway=bus_stop 's, in addition to the existing shelter=yes/no, I'm planning to also use bench=yes/no and waste_basket=yes/no, as these features are often installed as part of the bus stop itself, in Brisbane. Tagging separate nodes with amenity=* is not ideal, as 1) i couldn't really be bothered and, more importantly, 2) they are physically part of the bus stop (e.g. bench built into the bus_stop shelter; waste_basket bolted to the bus_stop sign) and therefore additional nodes are not even semantically more correct. I've been doing that for a while (well, except waste_basket=*), so that's a +1 from me :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:43 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: I've been doing that for a while (well, except waste_basket=*), so that's a +1 from me :) Any objections (from anyone) to adding these to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop ? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] bus_stop further details
Gday, For tagging highway=bus_stop 's, in addition to the existing shelter=yes/no, I'm planning to also use bench=yes/no and waste_basket=yes/no, as these features are often installed as part of the bus stop itself, in Brisbane. Tagging separate nodes with amenity=* is not ideal, as 1) i couldn't really be bothered and, more importantly, 2) they are physically part of the bus stop (e.g. bench built into the bus_stop shelter; waste_basket bolted to the bus_stop sign) and therefore additional nodes are not even semantically more correct. Any comments/support/reprimands? Cheers, Roy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details
I agree, sounds sensible cheers On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Gday, For tagging highway=bus_stop 's, in addition to the existing shelter=yes/no, I'm planning to also use bench=yes/no and waste_basket=yes/no, as these features are often installed as part of the bus stop itself, in Brisbane. Tagging separate nodes with amenity=* is not ideal, as 1) i couldn't really be bothered and, more importantly, 2) they are physically part of the bus stop (e.g. bench built into the bus_stop shelter; waste_basket bolted to the bus_stop sign) and therefore additional nodes are not even semantically more correct. Any comments/support/reprimands? Cheers, Roy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
