Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:45:19 +1100 Steve Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Elizabeth Dodd > wrote: > > we mark them all with a 'fixme' > > Sounds good to me. > > Steve so do we have a consensus and a volunteer? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > we mark them all with a 'fixme' Sounds good to me. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
> Dear god. > 1) You, and about a thousand other people have pointed this out. > 2) Clearly the person involved didn't know this, and is now doing the > right thing. > 3) Why complain *here* about it? > > Steve could you reduce the exaggeration? I don't see anything on talk or tagging about things being sorted out and asked here if someone was interested in actually removing stuff from Au. I assume that there are a few thousand of these nodes. Either we remove them or we mark them all with a 'fixme' ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 09:00:45 +1000 "Kevin & Ruth Sheather" wrote: > As a regular traveller in remote Australia, I can see advantage for > map users in having cattle station air strips in OSM. Quite apart > from RFDS operations, there is a progressive merging of tourism and > agriculture. To have strips shown in OSM is of value to light > aircraft owners planning their trip. More visitors will travel to > tourist cattle stations as time goes on. I don't think you can make a > comparison with back yard pools and tennis courts at all. > > Kevin Airstrip? or Airport? these are not distinguished, and those I have been able to place were not correctly placed to me that is useless information Some could be placed from aerial imagery but others not so, particularly when the airstrip and the racecourse share the same space eg Ardlethan NSW currently, and Quamby Qld from memory Correctly tagged and placed, this could have been useful information. However right now it is very poor quality. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
As a regular traveller in remote Australia, I can see advantage for map users in having cattle station air strips in OSM. Quite apart from RFDS operations, there is a progressive merging of tourism and agriculture. To have strips shown in OSM is of value to light aircraft owners planning their trip. More visitors will travel to tourist cattle stations as time goes on. I don't think you can make a comparison with back yard pools and tennis courts at all. Kevin -Original Message- From: talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Steve Bennett Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2010 8:28 AM To: John Smith Cc: talk-au Subject: Re: [talk-au] "airports" import On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:11 AM, John Smith wrote: > I can't remember which side you fell on, but wouldn't this fall into > the same category as private pools? or private tennis courts... etc? Yeah, though I think the case might be stronger for airstrips. One reason that occurs to me is that a private airstrip, if used to receive mail or visitors, is something like an address, which we store. Liz wrote: >These sort of things are worked out before import when people discuss things beforehand. Dear god. 1) You, and about a thousand other people have pointed this out. 2) Clearly the person involved didn't know this, and is now doing the right thing. 3) Why complain *here* about it? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:11 AM, John Smith > wrote: >> I can't remember which side you fell on, but wouldn't this fall into >> the same category as private pools? or private tennis courts... etc? > > Yeah, though I think the case might be stronger for airstrips. One > reason that occurs to me is that a private airstrip, if used to > receive mail or visitors, is something like an address, which we > store. Actually not. Private means exactly that, it's private and you generally need permission to operate to them. Some of them are marginally operational and can only accommodate certain aircraft. As Liz pointed out the imported ones are generally not in the correct location and are therefore of little use. So we either delete them or move them to the correct place if you know where they should be. As for the RFDS using them that's marginal as it really depends on the nature of the emergency and what other facilities are available. It's not a case of you going to the closest airstrip they will advise where to go. Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:11 AM, John Smith wrote: > I can't remember which side you fell on, but wouldn't this fall into > the same category as private pools? or private tennis courts... etc? Yeah, though I think the case might be stronger for airstrips. One reason that occurs to me is that a private airstrip, if used to receive mail or visitors, is something like an address, which we store. Liz wrote: >These sort of things are worked out before import when people discuss things >beforehand. Dear god. 1) You, and about a thousand other people have pointed this out. 2) Clearly the person involved didn't know this, and is now doing the right thing. 3) Why complain *here* about it? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:17:33 +1100 Steve Bennett wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:12 PM, John Smith > wrote: > > Many small towns in regional areas have (or at least had) airstrips > > that are public, I'm guessing most of the ones Liz is referring to > > are private. > > Are private airstrips not wanted? It's not hard to imagine situations > where it would be useful information. > > Steve IF they are in the right place, and IF they are appropriately tagged. I couldn't find a hierarchy of tags for airports / airstrips in the wiki These sort of things are worked out before import when people discuss things beforehand. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
On 28 December 2010 23:26, Markus_g wrote: > Can't they be used for the Flying doctor service? > > They could be usefull if you need to find the closest landing strip for > emergency help. Similar arguments were used for private pools and the fire service... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
Can't they be used for the Flying doctor service? They could be usefull if you need to find the closest landing strip for emergency help. -Original Message- From: talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of John Smith Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2010 11:41 PM To: Steve Bennett Cc: talk-au Subject: Re: [talk-au] "airports" import On 28 December 2010 21:17, Steve Bennett wrote: > Are private airstrips not wanted? It's not hard to imagine situations > where it would be useful information. I can't remember which side you fell on, but wouldn't this fall into the same category as private pools? or private tennis courts... etc? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
On 28 December 2010 21:17, Steve Bennett wrote: > Are private airstrips not wanted? It's not hard to imagine situations > where it would be useful information. I can't remember which side you fell on, but wouldn't this fall into the same category as private pools? or private tennis courts... etc? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:12 PM, John Smith wrote: > Many small towns in regional areas have (or at least had) airstrips > that are public, I'm guessing most of the ones Liz is referring to are > private. Are private airstrips not wanted? It's not hard to imagine situations where it would be useful information. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
> We have a set of rules or guidelines about importing stuff http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:53:20 +1100 Steve Bennett wrote: > Hi Liz, > The airport import has been discussed on OSM-talk - see "Massive > import of airports" thread. If the imported data represents genuine > airstrips, then it sounds like they belong in OSM, but perhaps with > different tags. Maybe "xxx airstrip" rather than "xxx airport". > > PS Would you mind toning down the inflammatory language? > "Crazy"..."trash"...etc. Let's keep it friendly. > > Steve > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Elizabeth Dodd > wrote: > > someone from somewhere else in the world has imported "airports" > > from some crazy list. > > I went looking for some way off the beaten track places in NWQ > > only to find > > Kamileroi Airport > > Lorraine Airport > > Gregory Downs Airport > > > > which are all station / homestead airstrips > > > > Is someone bored enough to remove this trash import from Au ? > > I've read the talk discussion The licence of the import was discussed Very little discussion about the use of the import at all. We have a set of rules or guidelines about importing stuff and all of them have been violated by this import not discussed in advance global import without checking with other parties licence is doubtful, stated PD but is copied from elsewhere actual points are off (because they are calculated??) so its as bad as trying to chase down those rogue BP service stations that were found up to 33km from home. I still find "crazy" and "trash" are appropriate. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
On 28 December 2010 18:53, Steve Bennett wrote: > Hi Liz, > The airport import has been discussed on OSM-talk - see "Massive > import of airports" thread. If the imported data represents genuine > airstrips, then it sounds like they belong in OSM, but perhaps with > different tags. Maybe "xxx airstrip" rather than "xxx airport". Many small towns in regional areas have (or at least had) airstrips that are public, I'm guessing most of the ones Liz is referring to are private. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] "airports" import
Hi Liz, The airport import has been discussed on OSM-talk - see "Massive import of airports" thread. If the imported data represents genuine airstrips, then it sounds like they belong in OSM, but perhaps with different tags. Maybe "xxx airstrip" rather than "xxx airport". PS Would you mind toning down the inflammatory language? "Crazy"..."trash"...etc. Let's keep it friendly. Steve On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > someone from somewhere else in the world has imported "airports" from > some crazy list. > I went looking for some way off the beaten track places in NWQ > only to find > Kamileroi Airport > Lorraine Airport > Gregory Downs Airport > > which are all station / homestead airstrips > > Is someone bored enough to remove this trash import from Au ? > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
