Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: > Cam wrote > > "I'd prefer if all the maxspeed changesets be reverted now so atleast > some odbl tools can show ways being green rather than mostly all orange." > > Hi Cam, > > I'm confident that these edits will change from orange to yellow in the > very near future. > > This will mean that they are considered harmless and you > can turn the harmless ones off which will then allow you > to see the real orange problem areas. The woodpeck_fixbot has been doing this, a good road to check is this easy to find one (if you want to use several license checking tools) near a pond south of Perth: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/61241911/history Still looks yellow or orange on http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=14&lat=-32.14973&lon=115.94198&layers=B0T ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 02:56:22 PM Nick Hocking wrote: > PS - quite a few declines spent a lot of time just tracing " from > nearmap but never bothered to go out and collect the information > "on the ground" such as street names etc. I've been gps surveying and getting a lot of street names and tagging the streets. Even if said streets disappear, at least I know what the names are and can re-add them after the reversion. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
PS - quite a few declines spent a lot of time just tracing " from nearmap but never bothered to go out and collect the information "on the ground" such as street names etc. Most of this is still untagged and since it will disappear in April and needs survey anyway, maybe me should delete them now as well. Once again this will help by focusing attention on the real red areas. We'd have to be careful of non residential roads since one decliner has been removing names for quite a while now and putting them into relations (which raises a whole new set of problems for us to fix.) Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
Cam wrote "I'd prefer if all the maxspeed changesets be reverted now so atleast some odbl tools can show ways being green rather than mostly all orange." Hi Cam, I'm confident that these edits will change from orange to yellow in the very near future. This will mean that they are considered harmless and you can turn the harmless ones off which will then allow you to see the real orange problem areas. One thing I intend to do, or get done, is to remove all "virgin" ABS2006 boundaries (I.E. version 1 unedited.). This will make a massive difference to the cleanup effort since these red ways really mask out what work really needs to be done to preserve OSM data before April. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
Steve Bennett wrote: Btw, how does Potlatch etc determine whether an object is "tainted"? Does it look at all the changesets that affect the object, or is it able to determine the source of each key? I believe that it uses Frederik's quick history service here: http://wtfe.gryph.de/ One other thing worth mentioning is Ian Dees' excellent "deep diff" utility that makes it obvious what changes were made in each version. For example, here's a way in Rottnest that I've removed the maxspeed from (which is correct, because the maxspeed in Rottnest isn't 50): http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=24349500 Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
Good to see you reverted your changeset. You should really have posted to this list before making the change (I can't tell you off though, I did the same thing when I was very new). As you can see by this object http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43991723/history your changeset destroyed perfectly good information. Notably the maxspeed=40 that Thorsten Engler added. On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > Hi all, > > I've removed the maxspeed tags from about 1000 roads in Redcliffe > (Brisbane) with changeset > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10338587 > > There were no maxspeed:source or source:maxspeed tags on these objects > so it is possible that I have removed data that was carefully > surveyed. I apologize for that and for making a mass edit in a place > I have yet to visit. This is poor behaviour, I hope that it will be > helpful as a demonstration. I hope that this will clean the area up a > bit in the quick history service so that other, more substantial > issues with the data are apparent. > > If successful, perhaps mappers will find this a helpful technique in > reconciling data in their area. > > Best regards, > Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
Btw, how does Potlatch etc determine whether an object is "tainted"? Does it look at all the changesets that affect the object, or is it able to determine the source of each key? The reason I ask is imagine an object like this: v1: highway=residential v2: highway=residential, maxspeed=50, maxspeed:source=default residential max speed v3: highway=residential, maxspeed=50, maxspeed:source=default residential max speed, name=Wilson Drive v4: highway=residential, name=Wilson Drive [ie, removing the maxspeed tags] Presumably John Smith's edit would still be in the history, and it would be problematic for something like Potlatch. What we need to actually do is remove the unwanted changeset somehow. (But maybe you knew all that. I'm actually not that clear on how changesets are managed, or how the proposed deletion of data will ork.) Steve On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: > On 09/01/12 13:47, Richard Weait wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: >>> >>> On 09/01/12 11:51, Richard Weait wrote: Shall I revert? >> >> >>> I think it would be best if you reverted. >> >> >> Done. You want to take a go at clearing some of these up? > > > > Are they maxspeed:source? > > I just search for: > > "maxspeed:source"=* > > (quotes required) > > in josm and change it to source:maxspeed > > Or maybe do what you did before but instead of deleting the maxspeed=* > change maxspeed:source to source:maxspeed > > Cheers > Ross > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
On 09/01/12 13:47, Richard Weait wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: On 09/01/12 11:51, Richard Weait wrote: Shall I revert? I think it would be best if you reverted. Done. You want to take a go at clearing some of these up? Are they maxspeed:source? I just search for: "maxspeed:source"=* (quotes required) in josm and change it to source:maxspeed Or maybe do what you did before but instead of deleting the maxspeed=* change maxspeed:source to source:maxspeed Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: > On 09/01/12 11:51, Richard Weait wrote: >> Shall I revert? > I think it would be best if you reverted. Done. You want to take a go at clearing some of these up? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
On 09/01/12 11:51, Richard Weait wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 9 January 2012 13:12, Richard Weait wrote: I've removed the maxspeed tags from about 1000 roads in Redcliffe (Brisbane) with changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10338587 Hi, Can you just explain this a little bit further? My understanding is it is a pretty specific set of these maxspeed changes we are currently targetting, all of which have maxspeed:source as it was added by the same bot. I thought it was said earlier that the bot did not add the source:maxspeed(etc) tags in all cases. Shall I revert? The bot added "maxspeed:source=default residential speed limit in Australia" not source:maxspeed. I've manually changed dozens (hundreds) to source:maxspeed. I think it would be best if you reverted. Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: > On 9 January 2012 13:12, Richard Weait wrote: >> >> >> I've removed the maxspeed tags from about 1000 roads in Redcliffe >> (Brisbane) with changeset >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10338587 >> > > Hi, > > Can you just explain this a little bit further? My understanding is it is a > pretty specific set of these maxspeed changes we are currently targetting, > all of which have maxspeed:source as it was added by the same bot. I thought it was said earlier that the bot did not add the source:maxspeed(etc) tags in all cases. Shall I revert? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
I've removed the maxspeed tags from about 1000 roads in Redcliffe (Brisbane) with changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10338587 Hi, Can you just explain this a little bit further? My understanding is it is a pretty specific set of these maxspeed changes we are currently targetting, all of which have maxspeed:source as it was added by the same bot. Ian As Ian suggested it was the maxspeed:source changes that are the problem not the ones with maxspeed=* only on them. Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] maxspeed removal
On 9 January 2012 13:12, Richard Weait wrote: > > I've removed the maxspeed tags from about 1000 roads in Redcliffe > (Brisbane) with changeset > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10338587 > > Hi, Can you just explain this a little bit further? My understanding is it is a pretty specific set of these maxspeed changes we are currently targetting, all of which have maxspeed:source as it was added by the same bot. Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
