Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
How did the mapper get this info? What licence is it under? FoI for example is copyright and so still needs to be released under a suitable licence. AFAIK local authorities are responsible for naming roads not the DfT. Cheers Chris John Baker rovas...@hotmail.com wrote: I had a response. Apparently these are official Department of Transport road names. Now I don't know as this differs to what is on the ground what should be done about this. Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass, etc don't as far I I know appear on the ground however I think the some record should appear in OSM. I am worried about the trend in this case of placing them as the name of the road as what reference point would people use for these. Any thoughts? John From: rovas...@hotmail.com To: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:48:53 + Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) The user looks like a troll. None of his/her/bot changesets have any comments. And they bounce all over the world. I think he deleted the original roads on the 21 jan 2013 as the history in OSM says they are new roads. Can someone look at reverting them all. I sent the user this PM. What are you doing with your edits here?: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14728720 You appear to have deleted major roads A50 and replaced them with strange names. Where are you getting your information. Your changesets have no notes in them explaining what you have done. Can you explain what you are doing before we revert the changes and look at getting you banned. Cheers, John Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:11:53 + From: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) Recently various sections along the A50 between Derby and Stoke have grown names, for example here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/202232245/history I've driven along that section of road many times, and I don't believe I've seen a name on any of the new sections. According to Musical Chairs, there are genuinely no names: http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?zoom=15lat=52.87983lon=-1.66551layers=B0TTview_mode=pseudorandom Some similar roads in Derbyshire do have official names, such as the A52 Brian Clough Way between Derby and Nottingham, or well-used unoffical ones such as the A61 which locals regularly used to refer to as just the Dronfield Bypass, but I've never heard of ones for the A50 being used. I'm planning to remove names that I can't find evidence for, but thought that I'd better check to make sure that I'm not missing anything obvious. Do these names have any basis in reality? Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass** sounds like something that might have been written on a planning application, but I've never seen it used anywhere. Cheers, Andy ** Some of the given names (such as Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass) are further complicated by having soft hyphens (hex AD) inserted between syllables, which results in the rendering of hyphens in some places but not others. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
An internet search for Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass gives a good number of results from official sources, including parliament and highways.gov.uk The A650 Bingley Bypass/throughpass near me was recently given a name Sir Fred Hoyle Way and name signs at all the slip roads, so I added this to OSM. I take it there are no name signs for Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass? Colin in Bingley - Original Message - From: Chris Hill To:John Baker , Cc: Sent:Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:26:44 + Subject:Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) How did the mapper get this info? What licence is it under? FoI for example is copyright and so still needs to be released under a suitable licence. AFAIK local authorities are responsible for naming roads not the DfT. Cheers Chris John Baker wrote: I had a response. Apparently these are official Department of Transport road names. Now I don't know as this differs to what is on the ground what should be done about this. Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass, etc don't as far I I know appear on the ground however I think the some record should appear in OSM. I am worried about the trend in this case of placing them as the name of the road as what reference point would people use for these. Any thoughts? John - From: rovas...@hotmail.com To: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:48:53 + Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) The user looks like a troll. None of his/her/bot changesets have any comments. And they bounce all over the world. I think he deleted the original roads on the 21 jan 2013 as the history in OSM says they are new roads. Can someone look at reverting them all. I sent the user this PM. What are you doing with your edits here?: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14728720 [1] You appear to have deleted major roads A50 and replaced them with strange names. Where are you getting your information. Your changesets have no notes in them explaining what you have done. Can you explain what you are doing before we revert the changes and look at getting you banned. Cheers, John Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:11:53 + From: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) Recently various sections along the A50 between Derby and Stoke have grown names, for example here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/202232245/history I've driven along that section of road many times, and I don't believe I've seen a name on any of the new sections. According to Musical Chairs, there are genuinely no names: http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?zoom=15lat=52.87983lon=-1.66551layers=B0TTview_mode=pseudorandom Some similar roads in Derbyshire do have official names, such as the A52 Brian Clough Way between Derby and Nottingham, or well-used unoffical ones such as the A61 which locals regularly used to refer to as just the Dronfield Bypass, but I've never heard of ones for the A50 being used. I'm planning to remove names that I can't find evidence for, but thought that I'd better check to make sure that I'm not missing anything obvious. Do these names have any basis in reality? Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass** sounds like something that might have been written on a planning application, but I've never seen it used anywhere. Cheers, Andy ** Some of the given names (such as Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass) are further complicated by having soft hyphens (hex AD) inserted between syllables, which results in the rendering of hyphens in some places but not others. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb [2] Links: -- [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14728720 [2] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
There are no such signs on the road, it is just the A50. I travel along it every fortnight. I would agree that we change the tags to something else, such as official_name or similar. I am happy to volunteer. In the satnav senario long names such as this just confuse when the user does not see any on the ground confirmation. I did briefly discuss this with Andy on IRC and the other issue is the insertion of soft-hyphens into the names so Hatton becomes Hat-ton. Not sure why, is he trying to make a satnav pronounce each syllable? Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 20/02/2013 10:09 co...@thespillers.org.uk wrote: An internet search for Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass gives a good number of results from official sources, including parliament and highways.gov.uk The A650 Bingley Bypass/throughpass near me was recently given a name Sir Fred Hoyle Way and name signs at all the slip roads, so I added this to OSM. I take it there are no name signs for Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass? Colin in Bingley - Original Message - From: Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net To:John Baker rovas...@hotmail.com, talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: Sent:Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:26:44 + Subject:Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) How did the mapper get this info? What licence is it under? FoI for example is copyright and so still needs to be released under a suitable licence. AFAIK local authorities are responsible for naming roads not the DfT. Cheers Chris John Baker rovas...@hotmail.com wrote: I had a response. Apparently these are official Department of Transport road names. Now I don't know as this differs to what is on the ground what should be done about this. Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass, etc don't as far I I know appear on the ground however I think the some record should appear in OSM. I am worried about the trend in this case of placing them as the name of the road as what reference point would people use for these. Any thoughts? John From: rovas...@hotmail.com To: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:48:53 + Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) The user looks like a troll. None of his/her/bot changesets have any comments. And they bounce all over the world I think he deleted the original roads on the 21 jan 2013 as the history in OSM says they are new roads. Can someone look at reverting them all. I sent the user this PM. What are you doing with your edits here?: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14728720 You appear to have deleted major roads A50 and replaced them with strange names. Where are you getting your information. Your changesets have no notes in them explaining what you have done. Can you explain what you are doing before we revert the changes and look at getting you banned. Cheers, John Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:11:53 + From: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) Recently various sections along the A50 between Derby and Stoke have grown names, for example here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/202232245/history I've driven along that section of road many times, and I don't believe I've seen a name on any of the new sections. According to Musical Chairs, there are genuinely no names: http://ris.dev.openstreetmaporg/oslmusicalchairs/map?zoom=15lat=52.87983lon=-1.66551layers=B0TTview_mode=pseudorandom Some similar roads in Derbyshire do have official names, such as the A52 Brian Clough Way between Derby and Nottingham, or well-used unoffical ones such as the A61 which locals regularly used to refer to as just the Dronfield Bypass, but I've never heard of ones for the A50 being used. I'm planning to remove names that I can't find evidence for, but thought that I'd better check to make sure that I'm not missing anything obvious. Do these names have any basis in reality? Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass** sounds like something that might have been written on a planning application, but I've never seen it used anywhere. Cheers, Andy ** Some of the given names (such as Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass) are further complicated by having soft hyphens (hex AD) inserted between syllables, which results in the rendering of hyphens in some places but not others. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
Chris Hill wrote: How did the mapper get this info? What licence is it under? FoI for example is copyright and so still needs to be released under a suitable licence. AFAIK local authorities are responsible for naming roads not the DfT. (from OSM messages from the original mapper following my list post) I believe that the main evidence is this: http://www.highways.gov.uk/our-road-network/managing-our-roads/private-finance-initiatives-design-build-finance-and-operate-dbfo/a50a564-stoke-to-derby-link-design-build-finance-and-operate-dbfo-contract/ I'm not convinced on a couple of counts - on that page it definitely reads like a description rather than a name (it's describing which sections of a road opened when). Re licensing, http://www.highways.gov.uk/terms-and-conditions/ says You may use and re-use the information featured on this website (not including logos) free of charge in any format or medium, under the terms of the Open Government Licence., which links to: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/ Along with Roger Calvert, I'd say that Foston Hatton Hilton Bypass sounds like a description rather than a name. Cheers, andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Using UK postcode data to generate a heat map
Hi all, Thanks for all your help with this. Thought I should update. After getting confirmation of the validity of using the data, my friend and his colleagues successfully merged their postcode list with the CodePoint Open dataset and sent me the results. I then converted the eastings/northings to lats/longs using a Python routine I found on the web [1] (having first tested it out in QGIS using random postcodes from CodePoint Open, of course!) and sent it back to my friend who loaded the data into OpenHeatMap. His boss was happy and my friend bought me a couple of pints, so all is well. A few things to throw out there: -- I'm now properly in awe of proper GIS users. I had no idea that coordinate systems were so numerous and so complicated. For example, OS themselves provide a stand-alone batch coordinate converter [2], and I first tried using that to do the job, but found that the results didn't match when loaded into QGIS. So I searched again and found the Python routine [2] which *did* match. Evidently I wasn't using the OS software correctly, but no idea why. -- OpenHeatMap doesn't do true heat maps (or not that I could see anyway). Its main use seems to be things like house-price variation, where you have a *value* associated with each datapoint, rather than being interested in the *density* of datapoints. However, you can colour the points so that their overlap creates the illusion of a heatmap, which is still pretty useful for amateur use such as this. I tried following the QGIS tutorial kindly linked to by Steven Horner [3] but although each individual step seemed to work, I couldn't get the same end results. -- On a different but tangentially-related note, I had a look at the OS contour data the other day, just for kicks. It's in a format that, whilst open-able by QGIS, bears no relation to any other data I have (e.g. BoundaryLine shapefiles). It uses a different co-ordinate system, and Googling the relevant terminology lead me to a series of articles that each left me more baffled than before. Again: tricky stuff, this GIS lark. Maybe I should stick to GPS uploads, POIs and Bing tracing ;-) Again, thanks all. David. [1] http://hannahfry.co.uk/2012/02/01/converting-british-national-grid-to-latitude-and-longitude-ii/ [2] http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/support/os-net/grid-inquest.html [3] http://qgis.spatialthoughts.com/2012/07/tutorial-making-heatmaps-using-qgis-and.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
Philip Barnes wrote: I did briefly discuss this with Andy on IRC and the other issue is the insertion of soft-hyphens into the names so Hatton becomes Hat-ton. Not sure why, is he trying to make a satnav pronounce each syllable? Or copied and pasted from a document? cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/road-names-along-the-A50-and-elsewhere-tp5749880p5750045.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
I have had more correspondence from Mauls. He is adamant that he is correct and that I don't know what I am doing (mainly because he has contributed way more than me and doing it a lot longer. 104k nodes me vs 140k node Maulsyeah way more and I started with this (did some minor stuff before) account in 2009 vs Mauls in 2008 ). His attitude is that he will do what he wants. Anyway the exchanges are getting rather nasty now so I may give up communicating with him or might embark on some more troll baiting later. So maybe someone else (...well anyone else not necessarily user SomeoneElse) can talk sense to him. John Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:42:03 -0800 From: rich...@systemed.net To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) Philip Barnes wrote: I did briefly discuss this with Andy on IRC and the other issue is the insertion of soft-hyphens into the names so Hatton becomes Hat-ton. Not sure why, is he trying to make a satnav pronounce each syllable? Or copied and pasted from a document? cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/road-names-along-the-A50-and-elsewhere-tp5749880p5750045.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
Aha, it's Mauls is it... He is indeed very prolific, and adds a lot of missing details across the whole planet. However he never seems to disclose his sources, either in the source tag or in changeset comments. Colin On 2013-02-20 14:18, John Baker wrote: I have had more correspondence from Mauls. He is adamant that he is correct and that I don't know what I am doing (mainly because he has contributed way more than me and doing it a lot longer. 104k nodes me vs 140k node Maulsyeah way more and I started with this (did some minor stuff before) account in 2009 vs Mauls in 2008 ). His attitude is that he will do what he wants. Anyway the exchanges are getting rather nasty now so I may give up communicating with him or might embark on some more troll baiting later. So maybe someone else (...well anyone else not necessarily user SomeoneElse) can talk sense to him. John Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:42:03 -0800 From: rich...@systemed.net To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) Philip Barnes wrote: I did briefly discuss this with Andy on IRC and the other issue is the insertion of soft-hyphens into the names so Hatton becomes Hat-ton. Not sure why, is he trying to make a satnav pronounce each syllable? Or copied and pasted from a document? cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/road-names-along-the-A50-and-elsewhere-tp5749880p5750045.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
I am a novice when it comes to road names. I've probably only done a couple, if that, so apologies if I'm stating anything that is already well known. A friend was involved in the construction of these bypasses. I understand that the body for this was the Highways Agency and through their build they were known as the . bybass. They would say they are still known as such. It could well be argued that these are official names. It appears that the Highways Agency has its own gazetteer for road descriptions (TRSG) and these are available on this website. http://www.thensg.org.uk/iansg/welcome.htm Perhaps he has access to this. Unfortunately it seems to be tied up with OS so I doubt it is a resource OSM mappers can/should use. I certainly wouldn't defend his attitude. Dudley Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:01:27 +0100 From: colin.sm...@xs4all.nl To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) Aha, it's Mauls is it... He is indeed very prolific, and adds a lot of missing details across the whole planet. However he never seems to disclose his sources, either in the source tag or in changeset comments. Colin On 2013-02-20 14:18, John Baker wrote: I have had more correspondence from Mauls. He is adamant that he is correct and that I don't know what I am doing (mainly because he has contributed way more than me and doing it a lot longer. 104k nodes me vs 140k node Maulsyeah way more and I started with this (did some minor stuff before) account in 2009 vs Mauls in 2008 ). His attitude is that he will do what he wants. Anyway the exchanges are getting rather nasty now so I may give up communicating with him or might embark on some more troll baiting later. So maybe someone else (...well anyone else not necessarily user SomeoneElse) can talk sense to him. John Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:42:03 -0800 From: rich...@systemed.net To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere) Philip Barnes wrote: I did briefly discuss this with Andy on IRC and the other issue is the insertion of soft-hyphens into the names so Hatton becomes Hat-ton. Not sure why, is he trying to make a satnav pronounce each syllable? Or copied and pasted from a document? cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/road-names-along-the-A50-and-elsewhere-tp5749880p5750045.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
On 20 Feb 2013 19:38, Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com wrote: ...I certainly wouldn't defend his attitude... I don't know Mauls from Adam but how would you feel if you had been contributing to the project for five years and someone you'd never heard of sent you an unfriendly message threatening a ban for adding a name to a road? IMHO, individual contributors shouldn't be threatening others with bans under any circumstances, this is what the OSMF is for. Kevin (440k nodes) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
On 20/02/13 20:15, Kevin Peat wrote: On 20 Feb 2013 19:38, Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com mailto:dudleyibb...@hotmail.com wrote: ...I certainly wouldn't defend his attitude... I don't know Mauls from Adam but how would you feel if you had been contributing to the project for five years and someone you'd never heard of sent you an unfriendly message threatening a ban for adding a name to a road? IMHO, individual contributors shouldn't be threatening others with bans under any circumstances, this is what the OSMF is for. Kevin (440k nodes) I've exchanged messages with Mauls, about road naming and his sources. I've carefully explained that we need to use verifiable sources that we have a licence to use. The exchange included me suggesting that he might like to check with other people such as local mappers, that he could use help.osm, a mailing list, IRC etc and see what others think. He was just rude and told me he was right and I should leave him alone. He copied data from a local newspaper article to name a road wrongly, so I eventually reverted his edit, told him why I had done it and suggested that he needed to be more careful and respectful, especially about his sources. The OSMF is there to facilitate the community, especially managing the infrastructure. It is up to the community to make the data as good as possible, including not standing for vandals, or persistent problem-causers. I support reverting edits by people who stubbornly refuse to conform our very simple, single rule - don't use copyright data without permission and also people who persistently make edits that are wrong or very poor quality even after repeated contacts and offers of guidance. Some of Mauls edits seem to me to fit this pattern. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
On 20 Feb 2013 21:14, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: ...He copied data from a local newspaper article to name a road wrongly... Mauls might be wrong in this case but the name of a road in the local paper isn't copyrighted. It's a basic fact, the newspaper didn't create it and they certainly don't own it. If I read in the local paper that the Blockbusters down the road has closed down I am perfectly free to use that information to remove it from OSM. It is just ridiculous FUD to say otherwise. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 15:01 +0100, Colin Smale wrote: Aha, it's Mauls is it... He is indeed very prolific, and adds a lot of missing details across the whole planet. However he never seems to disclose his sources, either in the source tag or in changeset comments. I have spotted that Mauls has also been at the M6. Newcastle-under-Lyme By-Pass http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/142640343 North of Birmingham - Preston By-Pass Special Road http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/119021052 All motorways are special roads, cannot believe the highways agency would use that terminology. This one looks made up to me. Back to the A50, the hyphens have gone. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] road names along the A50 (and elsewhere)
Richard Fairhurst richard@... writes: Philip Barnes wrote: I did briefly discuss this with Andy on IRC and the other issue is the insertion of soft-hyphens into the names so Hatton becomes Hat-ton. Not sure why, is he trying to make a satnav pronounce each syllable? Or copied and pasted from a document? cheers Richard Is it any use for the API to allow soft happens at all? -- Andrew ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-us] Chicago Buildings Redux
Hi imports, Earlier last year I downloaded the Chicago building footprints shapefile [0] from the Chicago data portal, chopped it into manageable bits and started importing it into OSM. Halfway through the process of merging and uploading this data I read the data portal's license [1] closer, discovering a clause that makes the datasets offered there incompatible with OSM. The troublesome clause allows the City of Chicago to require removal of any City data at any point in the future: The City may require a user of this data to terminate any and all display, distribution or other use of any or all of the data provided at this website for any reason including, without limitation, violation of these Terms of Use or other terms as defined by City agencies or departments contributing data to this website. When I noticed this I immediately stopped uploading data and began a conversation with the city's data team to discuss ways OSM could move forward with using the datasets listed on the portal. After several months of phone calls, meetings, and waiting, I'm pleased to announce that the City of Chicago has started to release some of its datasets under the MIT license on GitHub: [2]. As a result of this new license, I will be able to continue importing the excellent buildings and address data into OSM (more on that later) and businesses will be able to use this data in their apps and tools without worrying about an untested license. I'm pretty excited about this, as Chicago is seen as a leader in municipal data and other OSM/Open Data folks can point to this as proof that open licensing is a very important part of open data. -Ian [0] https://data.cityofchicago.org/Buildings/Building-Footprints/w2v3-isjw [1] http://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/narr/foia/data_disclaimer.html [2] https://github.com/chicago/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Possible coping from Google Maps
I just happened to spot a place where there is a possible coping from Google Maps. http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnikmt1=googlemapmakerlon=-75.5301lat=40.07484zoom=16 While it doesn't look exact on the curves, the places where the ramps start/end/merge seems to be an exact match to Google's. The only reason I'm bringing this up is because of Bing Imagery not even showing the construction, let along the completion, of this new interchange on the PA Turnpike (I-76). This interchange was added in Changeset 14937179. - http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14937179 Anybody else have a comment on this changeset. Also, anybody who has previous experence with the user that did this change be willing to contact him? --James ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Possible coping from Google Maps
If I weren't confined to my phone right now, I'd check it myself, but are there any GPS tracks along the new interchange? On Feb 20, 2013 9:58 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I just happened to spot a place where there is a possible coping from Google Maps. http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnikmt1=googlemapmakerlon=-75.5301lat=40.07484zoom=16 While it doesn't look exact on the curves, the places where the ramps start/end/merge seems to be an exact match to Google's. The only reason I'm bringing this up is because of Bing Imagery not even showing the construction, let along the completion, of this new interchange on the PA Turnpike (I-76). This interchange was added in Changeset 14937179. - http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14937179 Anybody else have a comment on this changeset. Also, anybody who has previous experence with the user that did this change be willing to contact him? --James ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Possible coping from Google Maps
I see it shows up on google mapmaker, but not google maps except at high zoom as under construction. Is this possibly entered both places by the same person? Regardless it should still be looked into. On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.comwrote: If I weren't confined to my phone right now, I'd check it myself, but are there any GPS tracks along the new interchange? On Feb 20, 2013 9:58 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I just happened to spot a place where there is a possible coping from Google Maps. http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnikmt1=googlemapmakerlon=-75.5301lat=40.07484zoom=16 While it doesn't look exact on the curves, the places where the ramps start/end/merge seems to be an exact match to Google's. The only reason I'm bringing this up is because of Bing Imagery not even showing the construction, let along the completion, of this new interchange on the PA Turnpike (I-76). This interchange was added in Changeset 14937179. - http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14937179 Anybody else have a comment on this changeset. Also, anybody who has previous experence with the user that did this change be willing to contact him? --James ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Dale Puch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Possible coping from Google Maps
Ahh nevermind, I just logged into mapmaker and the only user edits there were POI's On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: I see it shows up on google mapmaker, but not google maps except at high zoom as under construction. Is this possibly entered both places by the same person? Regardless it should still be looked into. On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.comwrote: If I weren't confined to my phone right now, I'd check it myself, but are there any GPS tracks along the new interchange? On Feb 20, 2013 9:58 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I just happened to spot a place where there is a possible coping from Google Maps. http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnikmt1=googlemapmakerlon=-75.5301lat=40.07484zoom=16 While it doesn't look exact on the curves, the places where the ramps start/end/merge seems to be an exact match to Google's. The only reason I'm bringing this up is because of Bing Imagery not even showing the construction, let along the completion, of this new interchange on the PA Turnpike (I-76). This interchange was added in Changeset 14937179. - http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14937179 Anybody else have a comment on this changeset. Also, anybody who has previous experence with the user that did this change be willing to contact him? --James ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Dale Puch -- Dale Puch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Possible coping from Google Maps
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:37:00 -0500 From: dale.p...@gmail.com To: claysmal...@gmail.com CC: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com; talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Possible coping from Google Maps I see it shows up on google mapmaker, but not google maps except at high zoom as under construction. Is this possibly entered both places by the same person? Regardless it should still be looked into. Believe it or not, but I think the Map Maker and the Map labels are swapped in the Map Comparing tool. The reason I'm saying this is because when I look on the main Google Maps site, the interchange shows up perfectly fine. - http://goo.gl/maps/Fml2P --James ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
