Re: [OSM-talk-be] New UrbIS presets for Bruno and everybody

[Jo]

Hi André,

I waited until I thought you were done. But I didn't see the aerial imagery
appear, so I tried to see if I could add it, which to my surprise, after
frustrating attempts with the AGIV counterpart yesterday, was easy. No idea
why I didn't find the 2015 version though...

Anyway, I figured out how to do it with AGIV as well now. Always a lot of
trial and error involved for me.

Jo

2015-11-26 1:04 GMT+01:00 André Pirard :

> On 2015-11-26 00:42, Jo wrote :
>
> Hi Bruno,
>
> André did a great job to provide you with the rendered version of what
> UrbIS has in their GIS. Thank you for that André.
>
> From your originial post I understand you wanted aerial photography
> though. So I added that as:
>
> URBIS Orthorectified aerial imagery covering Brussels Region (2014)
> 
>
> Oops, I was understanding that I was  taking care of Urbis and as there
> was no answers to my messages I added
>
> Configure
> Imagery>Imagery preferences>refresh (whirling arrows)>select *BE URBIS
> 20xx*>Activate>OK
> Activate
> Imagery>URBIS 20xx and there should come your layer
> with xx = 09, 12, 14, 15 and the same advantages over the WMS versions as
> explained below.
> It was just a few characters to change and right when I saved the file:
> clash.
> That's OSM, that's life ;-)
>
> Thanks for AGIV, Jo.
>
> Cheers
>
> André.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To the website of JOSM, which means you can 'install' it in your local
> copy of JOSM by updating the WMS sources, and then selecting it for use.
>
> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Preferences/Imagery
>
> I'm still trying to figure out how to the same for the new AGIV imagery
> that covers Flanders.
>
> Also try JOSM's Mapillary plugin for streetview images. PhilippeC has
> already made a lot of pictures in and around Brussels. It's nice for double
> checking from a different perspective.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2015-11-25 23:48 GMT+01:00 André Pirard :
>
>> On 2015-11-24 12:37, Bruno Veyckemans wrote :
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I became an enthusiastic OSM mapper following Julien Fastré's
>> presentation at Foss4G BE last month, and now have big projects to map all
>> I can in Brussels.
>>
>> I focus on using Overpass / PHP to create listings and see what's missing
>> in the capital (museums, parks, churches, artwork, hospitals...), such as:
>> http://ici.brussels/liste-musees (website in french, but I take care to
>> add tags in FR/NL/EN... By the way, I would be glad if some users helped to
>> fill the blanks).
>>
>> My question is about OSM's Bing imagery. I know Brussels has beautiful
>> and precise 2015 aerial pictures thanks to UrbIS (see here:
>> http://geoloc.irisnet.be/ , ArcGIS server), but I don't know how to use
>> it in OSM to map Brussels (their 2015 WMS isn't yet available). Do you
>> think it's possible ?
>>
>> Hi Bruno,
>>
>> Welcome to OSM !!!  I have made new JOSM presets for Urbis as described
>> below.
>>
>> When I am mapping, I meet many elements that were previously mapped with
>> a 2-5-10m+ precision and I remap them with a 20 cm precision using the SPW
>> servers.  The best advices I can give to map precisely are:
>>
>>- use JOSM, even if it seems harder to start with, it's much
>>rewarding in the long term; suboptimal mapping is usually done with other
>>editors
>>- use digitalized maps: aerial photographs are shot from an angle:
>>they are rectified horizontally but not vertically: the walls or other
>>vertical features are slanted and the roofs are offset relatively to the
>>ground; digitalized maps are the result of calculations that a human 
>> cannot
>>do to put all that right.
>>
>> On 2015-11-24 22:11, Julien Fastré wrote :
>>
>> Hi Bruno,
>> Hi the list
>>
>> You can add easily the WMS server of Urbis in JOSM.
>>
>> ...
>> http://geoserver.gis.irisnet.be/urbis/wms?service=wms&version=1.3.0&request=GetCapabilities
>>
>>
>>
>> Forget about that URL and what I have said before about using it.
>> I have made new presets that are prettier, faster, more simple, more
>> precise by supporting 3857 and without the pesky message.
>>
>> Configure
>> Imagery>Imagery preferences>refresh (whirling arrows)>select *BE URBISfr*
>> >Activate>OK
>> Imagery>Imagery preferences>refresh (whirling arrows)>select *BE URBISnl*
>> >Activate>OK
>> Activate
>> Imagery>URBISfr or URBISnl and there should come your layer
>> Let me know if everything is right for you.
>>
>> Happy mapping.
>>
>> André.
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Bonjour à tous,
>>
>> Je suis devenu un "mapper" enthousiaste d'OSM à la suite de la
>> présentation de Julien Fastré au Foss4G BE le mois dernier, et j'ai
>> maintenant des projets assez ambitieux pour compléter tout ce que je peux
>> en Région bruxelloise.
>>
>> J'utilise Overpass et PHP pour générer des listes des infrastructures de
>> la capitale (musées, parcs, églises, oeuvres d'art, hôpitaux...) comme
>> cel

Re: [OSM-talk-be] New UrbIS presets for Bruno and everybody

[André Pirard]

Hi,

For a test, I'd like a few streets of Urbis where the houses are still
to map (with number).
I may erase tags, do my test and not save the result, of course.
But I prefer to be useful as well.
Does that exist?

Cheers

André.




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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New UrbIS presets for Bruno and everybody

[André Pirard]

On 2015-11-26 00:42, Jo wrote :
> Hi Bruno,
>
> André did a great job to provide you with the rendered version of what
> UrbIS has in their GIS. Thank you for that André.
>
> From your originial post I understand you wanted aerial photography
> though. So I added that as:
>
> URBIS Orthorectified aerial imagery covering Brussels Region (2014)
> 
Oops, I was understanding that I was  taking care of Urbis and as there
was no answers to my messages I added

Configure
Imagery>Imagery preferences>refresh (whirling arrows)>select *BE URBIS
20xx*>Activate>OK
Activate
Imagery>URBIS 20xx and there should come your layer


with xx = 09, 12, 14, 15 and the same advantages over the WMS versions
as explained below.
It was just a few characters to change and right when I saved the file:
clash.
That's OSM, that's life ;-)

Thanks for AGIV, Jo.

Cheers

André.








>
> To the website of JOSM, which means you can 'install' it in your local
> copy of JOSM by updating the WMS sources, and then selecting it for use.
>
> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Preferences/Imagery
>
> I'm still trying to figure out how to the same for the new AGIV
> imagery that covers Flanders.
>
> Also try JOSM's Mapillary plugin for streetview images. PhilippeC has
> already made a lot of pictures in and around Brussels. It's nice for
> double checking from a different perspective.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2015-11-25 23:48 GMT+01:00 André Pirard  >:
>
> On 2015-11-24 12:37, Bruno Veyckemans wrote :
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I became an enthusiastic OSM mapper following Julien Fastré's
>> presentation at Foss4G BE last month, and now have big projects
>> to map all I can in Brussels. 
>>
>> I focus on using Overpass / PHP to create listings and see what's
>> missing in the capital (museums, parks, churches, artwork,
>> hospitals...), such as: http://ici.brussels/liste-musees (website
>> in french, but I take care to add tags in FR/NL/EN... By the way,
>> I would be glad if some users helped to fill the blanks).
>>
>> My question is about OSM's Bing imagery. I know Brussels has
>> beautiful and precise 2015 aerial pictures thanks to UrbIS (see
>> here: http://geoloc.irisnet.be/ , ArcGIS server), but I don't
>> know how to use it in OSM to map Brussels (their 2015 WMS isn't
>> yet available). Do you think it's possible ?
> Hi Bruno,
>
> Welcome to OSM !!!  I have made new JOSM presets for Urbis as
> described below.
>
> When I am mapping, I meet many elements that were previously
> mapped with a 2-5-10m+ precision and I remap them with a 20 cm
> precision using the SPW servers.  The best advices I can give to
> map precisely are:
>
>   * use JOSM, even if it seems harder to start with, it's much
> rewarding in the long term; suboptimal mapping is usually done
> with other editors
>   * use digitalized maps: aerial photographs are shot from an
> angle: they are rectified horizontally but not vertically: the
> walls or other vertical features are slanted and the roofs are
> offset relatively to the ground; digitalized maps are the
> result of calculations that a human cannot do to put all that
> right.
>
> On 2015-11-24 22:11, Julien Fastré wrote :
>> Hi Bruno,
>> Hi the list
>>
>> You can add easily the WMS server of Urbis in JOSM.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> 
>> http://geoserver.gis.irisnet.be/urbis/wms?service=wms&version=1.3.0&request=GetCapabilities
>
> Forget about that URL and what I have said before about using it.
> I have made new presets that are prettier, faster, more simple,
> more precise by supporting 3857 and without the pesky message.
>
> Configure
>   Imagery>Imagery preferences>refresh (whirling arrows)>select *BE
> URBISfr*>Activate>OK
> Imagery>Imagery preferences>refresh (whirling arrows)>select *BE
> URBISnl*>Activate>OK
> Activate
>   Imagery>URBISfr or URBISnl and there should come your layer
>
>
> Let me know if everything is right for you.
>
> Happy mapping.
>
> André.
>
>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Bonjour à tous,
>>
>> Je suis devenu un "mapper" enthousiaste d'OSM à la suite de la
>> présentation de Julien Fastré au Foss4G BE le mois dernier, et
>> j'ai maintenant des projets assez ambitieux pour compléter tout
>> ce que je peux en Région bruxelloise.
>>
>> J'utilise Overpass et PHP pour générer des listes des
>> infrastructures de la capitale (musées, parcs, églises, oeuvres
>> d'art, hôpitaux...) comme celle-ci:
>> http://ici.brussels/liste-musees (et je serais heureux si
>> certains se joignaient à moi pour compléter les tags manquants).
>>
>> Ma question porte sur les images satellites d'OSM, fournies par
>>  

Re: [OSM-talk-be] New UrbIS presets for Bruno and everybody

[Jo]

Hi Bruno,

André did a great job to provide you with the rendered version of what
UrbIS has in their GIS. Thank you for that André.

>From your originial post I understand you wanted aerial photography though.
So I added that as:

URBIS Orthorectified aerial imagery covering Brussels Region (2014)


To the website of JOSM, which means you can 'install' it in your local copy
of JOSM by updating the WMS sources, and then selecting it for use.

https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Preferences/Imagery

I'm still trying to figure out how to the same for the new AGIV imagery
that covers Flanders.

Also try JOSM's Mapillary plugin for streetview images. PhilippeC has
already made a lot of pictures in and around Brussels. It's nice for double
checking from a different perspective.

Cheers,

Polyglot

2015-11-25 23:48 GMT+01:00 André Pirard :

> On 2015-11-24 12:37, Bruno Veyckemans wrote :
>
> Hi all,
>
> I became an enthusiastic OSM mapper following Julien Fastré's presentation
> at Foss4G BE last month, and now have big projects to map all I can in
> Brussels.
>
> I focus on using Overpass / PHP to create listings and see what's missing
> in the capital (museums, parks, churches, artwork, hospitals...), such as:
> http://ici.brussels/liste-musees (website in french, but I take care to
> add tags in FR/NL/EN... By the way, I would be glad if some users helped to
> fill the blanks).
>
> My question is about OSM's Bing imagery. I know Brussels has beautiful and
> precise 2015 aerial pictures thanks to UrbIS (see here:
> http://geoloc.irisnet.be/ , ArcGIS server), but I don't know how to use
> it in OSM to map Brussels (their 2015 WMS isn't yet available). Do you
> think it's possible ?
>
> Hi Bruno,
>
> Welcome to OSM !!!  I have made new JOSM presets for Urbis as described
> below.
>
> When I am mapping, I meet many elements that were previously mapped with a
> 2-5-10m+ precision and I remap them with a 20 cm precision using the SPW
> servers.  The best advices I can give to map precisely are:
>
>- use JOSM, even if it seems harder to start with, it's much rewarding
>in the long term; suboptimal mapping is usually done with other editors
>- use digitalized maps: aerial photographs are shot from an angle:
>they are rectified horizontally but not vertically: the walls or other
>vertical features are slanted and the roofs are offset relatively to the
>ground; digitalized maps are the result of calculations that a human cannot
>do to put all that right.
>
> On 2015-11-24 22:11, Julien Fastré wrote :
>
> Hi Bruno,
> Hi the list
>
> You can add easily the WMS server of Urbis in JOSM.
>
> ...
> http://geoserver.gis.irisnet.be/urbis/wms?service=wms&version=1.3.0&request=GetCapabilities
>
>
>
> Forget about that URL and what I have said before about using it.
> I have made new presets that are prettier, faster, more simple, more
> precise by supporting 3857 and without the pesky message.
>
> Configure
> Imagery>Imagery preferences>refresh (whirling arrows)>select *BE URBISfr*
> >Activate>OK
> Imagery>Imagery preferences>refresh (whirling arrows)>select *BE URBISnl*
> >Activate>OK
> Activate
> Imagery>URBISfr or URBISnl and there should come your layer
> Let me know if everything is right for you.
>
> Happy mapping.
>
> André.
>
>
> ---
>
> Bonjour à tous,
>
> Je suis devenu un "mapper" enthousiaste d'OSM à la suite de la
> présentation de Julien Fastré au Foss4G BE le mois dernier, et j'ai
> maintenant des projets assez ambitieux pour compléter tout ce que je peux
> en Région bruxelloise.
>
> J'utilise Overpass et PHP pour générer des listes des infrastructures de
> la capitale (musées, parcs, églises, oeuvres d'art, hôpitaux...) comme
> celle-ci: http://ici.brussels/liste-musees (et je serais heureux si
> certains se joignaient à moi pour compléter les tags manquants).
>
> Ma question porte sur les images satellites d'OSM, fournies par Bing. Je
> sais que Bruxelles possède des images aériennes de 2015 beaucoup plus
> belles et précises grâce à UrbIS (par exemple ici:
> http://geoloc.irisnet.be/ ), mais je ne sais pas comment les utiliser
> dans les outils d'édition d'OSM. Pensez-vous que ce soit possible ? J'ai
> notamment envie de redessiner les chemins du Cimetière de Bruxelles,
> parfaitement visibles sur BrugIS 2015 mais pas sur Bing, et d'y ajouter ses
> tombes célèbres...
>
>
> Merci/Thanks/Dank u et belle journée malgré le #BrusselsLockdown
> Bruno - ici.Brussels
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New UrbIS presets for Bruno and everybody

[André Pirard]

On 2015-11-24 12:37, Bruno Veyckemans wrote :
> Hi all,
>
> I became an enthusiastic OSM mapper following Julien Fastré's
> presentation at Foss4G BE last month, and now have big projects to map
> all I can in Brussels. 
>
> I focus on using Overpass / PHP to create listings and see what's
> missing in the capital (museums, parks, churches, artwork,
> hospitals...), such as: http://ici.brussels/liste-musees (website in
> french, but I take care to add tags in FR/NL/EN... By the way, I would
> be glad if some users helped to fill the blanks).
>
> My question is about OSM's Bing imagery. I know Brussels has beautiful
> and precise 2015 aerial pictures thanks to UrbIS (see here:
> http://geoloc.irisnet.be/ , ArcGIS server), but I don't know how to
> use it in OSM to map Brussels (their 2015 WMS isn't yet available). Do
> you think it's possible ?
Hi Bruno,

Welcome to OSM !!!  I have made new JOSM presets for Urbis as described
below.

When I am mapping, I meet many elements that were previously mapped with
a 2-5-10m+ precision and I remap them with a 20 cm precision using the
SPW servers.  The best advices I can give to map precisely are:

  * use JOSM, even if it seems harder to start with, it's much rewarding
in the long term; suboptimal mapping is usually done with other editors
  * use digitalized maps: aerial photographs are shot from an angle:
they are rectified horizontally but not vertically: the walls or
other vertical features are slanted and the roofs are offset
relatively to the ground; digitalized maps are the result of
calculations that a human cannot do to put all that right.

On 2015-11-24 22:11, Julien Fastré wrote :
> Hi Bruno,
> Hi the list
>
> You can add easily the WMS server of Urbis in JOSM.
>
> ...
>
> http://geoserver.gis.irisnet.be/urbis/wms?service=wms&version=1.3.0&request=GetCapabilities

Forget about that URL and what I have said before about using it.
I have made new presets that are prettier, faster, more simple, more
precise by supporting 3857 and without the pesky message.

Configure
Imagery>Imagery preferences>refresh (whirling arrows)>select *BE
URBISfr*>Activate>OK
Imagery>Imagery preferences>refresh (whirling arrows)>select *BE
URBISnl*>Activate>OK
Activate
Imagery>URBISfr or URBISnl and there should come your layer


Let me know if everything is right for you.

Happy mapping.

André.


>
> ---
>
> Bonjour à tous,
>
> Je suis devenu un "mapper" enthousiaste d'OSM à la suite de la
> présentation de Julien Fastré au Foss4G BE le mois dernier, et j'ai
> maintenant des projets assez ambitieux pour compléter tout ce que je
> peux en Région bruxelloise.
>
> J'utilise Overpass et PHP pour générer des listes des infrastructures
> de la capitale (musées, parcs, églises, oeuvres d'art, hôpitaux...)
> comme celle-ci: http://ici.brussels/liste-musees (et je serais heureux
> si certains se joignaient à moi pour compléter les tags manquants).
>
> Ma question porte sur les images satellites d'OSM, fournies par Bing.
> Je sais que Bruxelles possède des images aériennes de 2015 beaucoup
> plus belles et précises grâce à UrbIS (par exemple ici:
> http://geoloc.irisnet.be/ ), mais je ne sais pas comment les utiliser
> dans les outils d'édition d'OSM. Pensez-vous que ce soit possible ?
> J'ai notamment envie de redessiner les chemins du Cimetière de
> Bruxelles, parfaitement visibles sur BrugIS 2015 mais pas sur Bing, et
> d'y ajouter ses tombes célèbres...
>
>
> Merci/Thanks/Dank u et belle journée malgré le #BrusselsLockdown
> Bruno - ici.Brussels
>

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